First, let me say that I'm just as disgusted as you are with people who try
to use the newsgroup to sell stuff. I am NOT trying to sell stuff through
the newsgroup, and I WILL NOT in the future. So if I'm off base here, let
me know and I'll just use the newsgroup for education.
However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw, so
I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making stuff
instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
(preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
Thanks so much for your help.
John Snow
Hitch wrote:
> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw, so
> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making stuff
> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
Quit calling it a product.
If you don't care to call it by it's name, what it is or
what it does then you don't care what it is, it's just a
*product* to you.
If you don't care about it I don't either.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart.
(S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Mark responds:
>Quit calling it a product.
>
>
>If you don't care to call it by it's name, what it is or
>what it does then you don't care what it is, it's just a
>*product* to you.
>
>If you don't care about it I don't either.
Actually, calling it a product makes sense. As a start, he doesn't want to
announce it to the world yet, so he doesn't present the name. As he said, he's
not selling it and won't sell it here.
Second, he may not have thought of a good name for his product yet.
Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>My gripe is people using MBA speak, particularly the word
>'product', when referring to something specific.
>
Hear, hear.
I used to work for a small software company that ultimately went bankrupt, due
mostly to stagnant sales -- which was in turn due, IMO, at least in part to
the names of the flagship products: "The HHPC Systems Product" (run on a
mainframe) and "The HHPC Network Product" (run on an NT LAN).
Really. I'm not kidding.
I told the CEO that they needed better names. He disagreed. I said "As product
names go, 'Model T' isn't very flashy -- but how many cars would Henry Ford
have sold if he had called it 'The Ford Motor Company Transportation
Product'?" Made no headway at all.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Charlie Self wrote:
> Mark responds:
>
>
>>Quit calling it a product.
>>
>
> Actually, calling it a product makes sense. As a start, he doesn't want to
> announce it to the world yet, so he doesn't present the name. As he said, he's
> not selling it and won't sell it here.
You know how some people get irked when someone uses your
for you're, when there are dangling participles or when a
sentence is ended with a preposition? Dangling your
participle in front of me and I probably wouldn't see it.
My gripe is people using MBA speak, particularly the word
'product', when referring to something specific.
I tuned into TOH part way through a demonstration on a roof.
I missed the shot of whatever the worker was doing, the
camera stayed on Thomas and the person he was talking to. I
listened for what had to be several minutes and had no idea
what they were discussing as they kept calling it product.
Then theres the time TOH was in a manufacturing plant and
the person giving the tour reefers to his livelihood as
product. As in the product then goes to this machine which
.... Good God, they make countertops or cabinetry or
windows, the 'product' is a slug for a countertop or a stile
or stringer, and it's not even a product yet. That is unless
they sell loose stringers and rails or countertops with
rough edges.
Years ago I read a Royco column where he pointed out MBA new
speak and how it was working it's way into the language. How
the word Widget had a feel to it. The word widget created a
mental image, maybe a vague image but an image none the
less. Royco wrote how institutions started using the word
product and how product is a word that congers no mental
images, it's a word of externalization. I thought it was a
good column but wrote Royco's rant off as just another Royco
rant. Until I read an interview with the VP ICO Marketing
for Lexus.
I was reading an interview with the Marketing VP for Lexus
in Road & Track during the pre launch period of the car. I
was all tuned up to learn what I could about the Lexus
because I think Toyota builds superior vehicles. From what I
had learned I thought the Lexus was going to make a
successful and well deserved attack on the world of the Snob
Euro Sport Sedan.
In this interview the VP referred to the Lexus as a product.
Now hold on. The Lexus is not a product line like Ford or
Chevy, it's a singular machine. At the time when one said
Lexus they meant one thing and one thing only.
Royco's column came back to me and I've been paying
attention to MBA speak ever since.
While writing this the phone rang ... This is Blah and Blah
blah blah ... refinance .... product. {sigh}
Product is used everywhere. And it's way overused.
Boy would I love to continue this rant but I have a trough
to install and wires to run. Shops getting some lights.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart.
(S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
> I just heard about a great new book about marketing at retail.
>
> Latest and greatest examples of marketing at retail, in its many
> forms.
> Book is called "Cool News About Retail: From Warhol to Wal-Mart" and
> it's available at a neat site called reveries.com
>
> Check it out!
You need to learn how to mask your email address, you spineless shill.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
> >was all tuned up to learn what I could about the Lexus
> >because I think Toyota builds superior vehicles. From what I
> >had learned I thought the Lexus was going to make a
> >successful and well deserved attack on the world of the Snob
> >Euro Sport Sedan.
>
> Yeah, it did make that attack. It's now the Snob Asian Sport Sedan.
>
Ah now careful now. Lexus is why I make a living. Currently working to
fill aan order for 12,000 shift knob blanks of birdseye maple. Seriously.
Those birdeye steerring wheels and shift knobs are made from good Maine
maple which is shipped to Japan.
D. Mo
Mark continues:
>
>My gripe is people using MBA speak, particularly the word
>'product', when referring to something specific.
Well, I can't argue FOR MBA speak after spending something over a year working
for an MBA. But there's a mindset there I didn't find in the OP's use of the
word.
MBA-speak contains such phrases as, "I'm not the boss! I'm just (let's just say
no-name to protect the guilty)." Then, two months later, "You're fired!"
Except that the MBA above that MBA puts it thusly, "You've worked yourself out
of a job."
>
>I tuned into TOH part way through a demonstration on a roof.
>I missed the shot of whatever the worker was doing, the
>camera stayed on Thomas and the person he was talking to. I
>listened for what had to be several minutes and had no idea
>what they were discussing as they kept calling it product.
Well, that's not necessarily MBA-speak. It's more likely to be plain stupidity
on the part of the producer and video editor.
>
>Years ago I read a Royco column where he pointed out MBA new
>speak and how it was working it's way into the language. How
>the word Widget had a feel to it. The word widget created a
>mental image, maybe a vague image but an image none the
>less. Royco wrote how institutions started using the word
>product and how product is a word that congers no mental
>images, it's a word of externalization. I thought it was a
>good column but wrote Royco's rant off as just another Royco
>rant. Until I read an interview with the VP ICO Marketing
>for Lexus.
>
>I was reading an interview with the Marketing VP for Lexus
>in Road & Track during the pre launch period of the car. I
>was all tuned up to learn what I could about the Lexus
>because I think Toyota builds superior vehicles. From what I
>had learned I thought the Lexus was going to make a
>successful and well deserved attack on the world of the Snob
>Euro Sport Sedan.
Yeah, it did make that attack. It's now the Snob Asian Sport Sedan.
>Product is used everywhere. And it's way overused.
Agreed.
>
>Boy would I love to continue this rant but I have a trough
>to install and wires to run. Shops getting some light
Enjoy!
Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I just heard about a great new book about marketing at retail.
Latest and greatest examples of marketing at retail, in its many
forms.
Book is called "Cool News About Retail: From Warhol to Wal-Mart" and
it's available at a neat site called reveries.com
Check it out!
Sam
Mark <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hitch wrote:
>
> > Sorry to be too MBA-PC. I was calling it a "product" because I didn't wish
> > to let on what it was too early. Just think of it as an "invention".
> >
>
> Obviously it wasn't only you, Roycos been dead a long time
> and the Lexus has been around quite a few years.
>
> It was reading it so many times in one paragraph that
> triggered the rant.
>
> Want to hear a good one? My wife asked me to enroll in a
> class she's taking. The Class? Marketing trends/ why people
> buy what they do.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
> N.E. Ohio
>
>
> Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart.
> (S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain)
>
> When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
> ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Hitch wrote:
> Sorry to be too MBA-PC. I was calling it a "product" because I didn't wish
> to let on what it was too early. Just think of it as an "invention".
>
Obviously it wasn't only you, Roycos been dead a long time
and the Lexus has been around quite a few years.
It was reading it so many times in one paragraph that
triggered the rant.
Want to hear a good one? My wife asked me to enroll in a
class she's taking. The Class? Marketing trends/ why people
buy what they do.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart.
(S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Hitch wrote:
> Sorry to be too MBA-PC. I was calling it a "product" because I didn't
> wish
> to let on what it was too early. Just think of it as an "invention".
FWIW, *I* understand where you're coming from. Inventors have to be
secretive and mysterious as a matter of self-preservation. Even *after*
you get the patent, it's still almost impossible to actually make any money
off of an idea.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Just call it a "DOODAD" or a "Secret Weapon" or maybe just call it "The
ITEM" ...<grin>
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:07:46 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Hitch wrote:
> >
> >> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the
bandsaw, so
> >> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm
making
> >> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs
to
> >> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how
to
> >> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give
good
> >> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
> >> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making
stuff
> >> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
> >> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
> >
> >Quit calling it a product.
>
> ????!!!!! Too much coffee?
>
> >If you don't care to call it by it's name, what it is or
> >what it does then you don't care what it is, it's just a
> >*product* to you.
> >
> >If you don't care about it I don't either.
>
> Hey Hitch - you can cross "Mark" off your list. Good luck!
>
> JP
I live near Seattle. Watcha got?
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First, let me say that I'm just as disgusted as you are with people who
try
> to use the newsgroup to sell stuff. I am NOT trying to sell stuff through
> the newsgroup, and I WILL NOT in the future. So if I'm off base here, let
> me know and I'll just use the newsgroup for education.
>
> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw,
so
> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making
stuff
> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
>
> Thanks so much for your help.
>
> John Snow
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:RtJMb.39302$xy6.102608@attbi_s02:
> I live near Seattle. Watcha got?
Larry,
Send me an email at:
[email protected]
and I'll get in touch.
Thanks,
John Snow
Rob,
Send me an email at:
[email protected]
and I'll get in touch.
Thanks,
John Snow
"RWM" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Rob,
>>
>> Send me an email at:
>>
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>> and I'll get in touch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John Snow
>
> I tried your email, but received a bounce back.
>
> Bob McBreen - Yarrow Point, WA
>
>
oops!
---->>> [email protected] <<<----
--
John Snow
"If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be here"
Hitch <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns946EC96EC46A9Hitch@
216.196.97.136:
> "Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:RtJMb.39302$xy6.102608@attbi_s02:
>
>> I live near Seattle. Watcha got?
>
> Larry,
>
> Send me an email at:
>
> [email protected]
>
>
> and I'll get in touch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Snow
oops!
---->>> [email protected] <<<----
--
John Snow
"If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be here"
Wish I still lived near Seattle..alas...
Try here: http://www.ewwg.org
It's a WW guild out of the Tacoma/Puyallup area and they have a bunch of
very active members. They've been used as guinea pigs before, and would
probably enjoy hearing from you. Gotta warn you though, they can be a
cranky bunch (and you can tell them I told you :) so if the feedback is less
than positive, you'll hear about it!
Good luck
Rob
--
Remove CC for email and please visit our web site:
http://www.robswoodworking.com
"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First, let me say that I'm just as disgusted as you are with people who
try
> to use the newsgroup to sell stuff. I am NOT trying to sell stuff through
> the newsgroup, and I WILL NOT in the future. So if I'm off base here, let
> me know and I'll just use the newsgroup for education.
>
> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw,
so
> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making
stuff
> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
>
> Thanks so much for your help.
>
> John Snow
>
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:07:46 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Hitch wrote:
>
>> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw, so
>> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
>> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
>> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
>> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
>> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
>> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making stuff
>> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
>> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
>
>Quit calling it a product.
????!!!!! Too much coffee?
>If you don't care to call it by it's name, what it is or
>what it does then you don't care what it is, it's just a
>*product* to you.
>
>If you don't care about it I don't either.
Hey Hitch - you can cross "Mark" off your list. Good luck!
JP
I'm in the right location but I don't have a band saw. Between the two of
us, we qualify. :)
"Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wish I still lived near Seattle..alas...
>
"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> First, let me say that I'm just as disgusted as you are with people who
>try
>> to use the newsgroup to sell stuff. I am NOT trying to sell stuff through
>> the newsgroup, and I WILL NOT in the future. So if I'm off base here, let
>> me know and I'll just use the newsgroup for education.
>>
>> However, what I'm trying to do is develop a new product for the bandsaw,
>so
>> I turned to you guys because I know lots of you have bandsaws. I'm making
>> some prototypes of the product, but I am going to need some guinea pigs to
>> try them out and give me feedback. What I'm trying to find out is how to
>> meet some bandsaw owners who can really use the prototypes and give good
>> feedback on the product. Like a lot (most, maybe?) of woodworkers, I'm
>> kind of shy and tend to be solitary, hanging out in the garage making
>stuff
>> instead of meeting people. Any suggestions on how to find some people
>> (preferably in the Seattle area) to test my prototypes?
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help.
>>
>> John Snow
I first replied to the email address you show above, then sent
one to sidwinder, the second address you specified. I got no
answer to either. Then I saw you post "[email protected]"
and got no answer. I tried it again last night and it bounced.
Are you real, John?
-
If the gods had meant us to vote, they'd have given us candidates.
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"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob,
>
> Send me an email at:
>
> [email protected]
>
>
> and I'll get in touch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Snow
I tried your email, but received a bounce back.
Bob McBreen - Yarrow Point, WA