response to KCET re: The New Yankee Workshop with Norm

Yea, I checked too, and they are on the schedule this week, although an hour
earlier than normal. I wondered if that was a software glitch due to the
time change this weekend. But probably not. I wish they would not move the
time up and hour. 3:00 is too early to turn my shop lights off.

--
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com/woodshop


"Mike Iglesias" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I checked KOCE's web site, and they've been airing them during the week
> in the early afternoon. They're going to start showing them on the
weekends
> again starting this weekend. If you weren't watching (or taping) them
> during the week, you're a few weeks behind like me. TOH is on their
> next project in Bermuda in the show this weekend.
>
> They used to just stop showing NYW and TOH during pledge time, and
> start up where they left off after they finished begging.
>
>
> --
> Mike Iglesias Email:
[email protected]
> University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
> Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069

Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why do you believe that wage-earners should be forced to pay part of
> their earnings to subsidize others' recreational viewing desires at the
> force of the government's tax system?

Are you talking about the Bush subsidies throught the ONDCP and others?
Or perhaps you mean the massive multi-billion dollar subsidy to
broadcasters in the form of free bandwidth? I could go on with numerous
other examples.

> Sure, it's a small amount, but a
> small amount to public television, a small amount to public radio, a
> small amount to the national endowment for the arts, ... and so on
> eventually becomes a big amount --

Probably all of it doesn't add up to the cost of a single weapon system
that the Pentagon says they don't want but some senator or the Carlyle
group still manages to get it passed.

> and one that was never the intent of
> the framers that money be taken from one group of people to pay for
> something for another group's personal pleasure.

What about you? What about all the subsidies you receive? Oh, that's
right... you're part of an elite that deserves other people's money.

Besides, you keep arguing that the founding fathers were wrong about
just about everything.

--

"There is... an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth,
without either virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a
mischevious ingredient in government, and provision should be made to
prevent its ascendency." - Jefferson in a letter to Adams

"George" <george@least> wrote:

> "Free bandwidth?" You mean after the auction and licensure?

No, after the donation. The "out and out" one.

> Then there's
> the corporate taxes paid, the wages (and their taxes) paid to employees,
> and, of course, the value to society of the actual service.

Give me free money and I'll pay taxes, hire employees and provide a
service to society.

> If the "owner"
> of that bandwidth hadn't sold it,

The public?

none of the above would pertain, there
> would be only another money pit like PBS.

You lost me.
>
> Oh yes, in addition to the out and out allocation, PBS keeps tax dollars
> from flowing to state and federal coffers through direct credits and
> deductions for contributions.

Sorry, your tangent is lost on me, but tell me, are you the guy who
works at microsoft?

Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> leftist anti-Bush rant with no content

Rightist and you know it.

Of course you had to edit it, because the content contradicted the
utterly pathetic talk radio drivel about PBS. Oh, and it pointed out
your stand in faver of subsidised housing for the wealthy, subsidised
children, etcetera ad infinitum.


> >
> > Besides, you keep arguing that the founding fathers were wrong about
> > just about everything.
> >
>
> No, don't believe I have ever come even close to saying that, exactly
> the opposite is really the case.

That's the PC thing to say, but every political post contradicts you,
including your silly whining about PBS.

--

"The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will
occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions
and moneyed incorporations." - Thomas Jefferson

In article <[email protected]>, Mark &
Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why do you believe that wage-earners should be forced to pay part of
> their earnings to subsidize others' recreational viewing desires at the
> force of the government's tax system?

Ayup. How is PBS really any different from a magazine? If you want to
subscribe, subscribe.

--
It's probably time to change my sig line, eh?

I email him as well. No Norm? No Money from me.

Dave



"Hal H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
the following is my response to the letter from KCET (local pbs station in
Los Angeles) informing me that NTW and TOH are no longer in their line-up
guess I'm a bit peeved
Hal

Dear Mr. Zachary,
Perhaps you could explain the logic of this decision? KCET offers little
else that I might find even remotely interesting, certainly most of the
programming is vapid and inane, yet KCET asks me to support public
broadcasting in a never ending barrage of shrill begging, sounding much like
a nest full of fledgling sparrows. I know I am not alone in my feelings, a
quick perusal though the many postings of newsgroups such as rec.woodworking
and others should enlighten you. There is a market for programs such as
these, unfortunately KCET lacks the necessary wisdom and vision to give me
and others of like mind what we could or would support.
Copies of this email will be forwarded to PBS as well as to the newsgroups
and web sites I frequent.
H. Hanevik

Bohdan Zachary wrote:


Dear Mr. Hanevik,

Thank you for your note.

"The New Yankee Workshop" as well as "This Old House" are no longer in the
KCET Saturday afternoon schedule. There are no plans to air the two series.

Best,




Bohdan Zachary
KCET
Director, Broadcast & Pledge Programming
323-953-5440
[email protected]
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"Free bandwidth?" You mean after the auction and licensure? Then there's
the corporate taxes paid, the wages (and their taxes) paid to employees,
and, of course, the value to society of the actual service. If the "owner"
of that bandwidth hadn't sold it, none of the above would pertain, there
would be only another money pit like PBS.

Oh yes, in addition to the out and out allocation, PBS keeps tax dollars
from flowing to state and federal coffers through direct credits and
deductions for contributions.


"p_j" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gbjyjh.15lwlgv1sqqhnrN%[email protected]...
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Why do you believe that wage-earners should be forced to pay part of
> > their earnings to subsidize others' recreational viewing desires at the
> > force of the government's tax system?
>
> Are you talking about the Bush subsidies throught the ONDCP and others?
> Or perhaps you mean the massive multi-billion dollar subsidy to
> broadcasters in the form of free bandwidth? I could go on with numerous
> other examples.
>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> As you can see, the following post was sent directly to KCET Management.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:51 PM
> Subject: RE: KCET Begging
>
> > Understand you have dropped New Yankee Work Shop.
> >
> > Since all you seem to do on weekends is beg anyway, no wonder you
> > don't have time for this program.
> >
> > BTW, I am totally opposed to your present policy of begging and will
> > NEVER give you money.
> >
> > You are public television, that means support from the public, not
> > private, purse, IMHO.
> >

Why do you believe that wage-earners should be forced to pay part of
their earnings to subsidize others' recreational viewing desires at the
force of the government's tax system? Sure, it's a small amount, but a
small amount to public television, a small amount to public radio, a
small amount to the national endowment for the arts, ... and so on
eventually becomes a big amount -- and one that was never the intent of
the framers that money be taken from one group of people to pay for
something for another group's personal pleasure.

Not lately. Have you checked if they will still be running them? At least
the last two weeks now they have had some other crap on.

--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com


"Yahoo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I live in the LAX area, fortunately we get KOCE(Orange County PBS)
> thru Comcast and it airs NYWS,ATOH,TOH and Home Time beginning at 3:30
> Saturdays.

I live in the LAX area, fortunately we get KOCE(Orange County PBS)
thru Comcast and it airs NYWS,ATOH,TOH and Home Time beginning at 3:30
Saturdays.


"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Hal H" wrote:
>
> > the following is my response to the letter from KCET (local pbs station
> > in Los Angeles) informing me that NTW and TOH are no longer in their
> line-up
> > guess I'm a bit peeved
> > Hal

"Hal H" wrote:

> the following is my response to the letter from KCET (local pbs station
> in Los Angeles) informing me that NTW and TOH are no longer in their
line-up
> guess I'm a bit peeved
> Hal

Agreed.

Kevin
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:310320042358483664%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Mark &
> Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Why do you believe that wage-earners should be forced to pay part of
> > their earnings to subsidize others' recreational viewing desires at the
> > force of the government's tax system?
>
> Ayup. How is PBS really any different from a magazine? If you want to
> subscribe, subscribe.
>
> --
> It's probably time to change my sig line, eh?

As you can see, the following post was sent directly to KCET Management.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: KCET Begging

> Understand you have dropped New Yankee Work Shop.
>
> Since all you seem to do on weekends is beg anyway, no wonder you
> don't have time for this program.
>
> BTW, I am totally opposed to your present policy of begging and will
> NEVER give you money.
>
> You are public television, that means support from the public, not
> private, purse, IMHO.
>
> You are faced with a heritage that R Regan has placed on public
> television
> executives, one I do not support.
>
> You need money, obviously, so hire a lobbyist like everybody else.
>
> Quit wasting my time begging at the local level.
>
> If you decide to air NYW, let me know.
>
> Till then, have no need to watch KCET except for Howser.
>
> He is addictive.
>
> As a committee of one, hope this message has some impact.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lew
>
> S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the
> Southland)
> Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As you can see, the following post was sent directly to KCET Management.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:51 PM
> Subject: RE: KCET Begging
>
> > Understand you have dropped New Yankee Work Shop.
> >
> > Since all you seem to do on weekends is beg anyway, no wonder you
> > don't have time for this program.
> >
> > BTW, I am totally opposed to your present policy of begging and will
> > NEVER give you money.
> >
> > You are public television, that means support from the public, not
> > private, purse, IMHO.
> >
> > You are faced with a heritage that R Regan has placed on public
> > television
> > executives, one I do not support.
> >
> > You need money, obviously, so hire a lobbyist like everybody else.
> >
> > Quit wasting my time begging at the local level.
> >
> > If you decide to air NYW, let me know.
> >
> > Till then, have no need to watch KCET except for Howser.
> >
> > He is addictive.
> >
> > As a committee of one, hope this message has some impact.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Lew
> >
> > S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the
> > Southland)
> > Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

What was the goal of this email? I hope that it was to vent, and not to
really try to get the show back on. Local PBS affiliates rank fund raising
very high, and I think that most GM's put it higher than ratings. By
stating early in the message that you will NEVER give money I believe that
you alienated the recipient and eliminated any chance of making your point.

Bob

In article <1gbjyjh.15lwlgv1sqqhnrN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

leftist anti-Bush rant with no content
>
> Besides, you keep arguing that the founding fathers were wrong about
> just about everything.
>

No, don't believe I have ever come even close to saying that, exactly
the opposite is really the case.

In article <[email protected]>,
Pounds on Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
>Not lately. Have you checked if they will still be running them? At least
>the last two weeks now they have had some other crap on.

I checked KOCE's web site, and they've been airing them during the week
in the early afternoon. They're going to start showing them on the weekends
again starting this weekend. If you weren't watching (or taping) them
during the week, you're a few weeks behind like me. TOH is on their
next project in Bermuda in the show this weekend.

They used to just stop showing NYW and TOH during pledge time, and
start up where they left off after they finished begging.


--
Mike Iglesias Email: [email protected]
University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069

At the risk of getting muddy ...

In article <1gbnv6r.3baua116605bxN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > leftist anti-Bush rant with no content
>
> Rightist and you know it.

Your comments weren't even to the right of Mao Tse Tung.

>
> Of course you had to edit it, because the content contradicted the
> utterly pathetic talk radio drivel about PBS. Oh, and it pointed out
> your stand in faver of subsidised housing for the wealthy, subsidised
> children, etcetera ad infinitum.
>

Huh? Do you even have a clue what you are saying? You are again
iterating the idea that letting people keep the fruits of their labors
by not taking it away from them in the form of taxes is somehow
"subsidizing" them. You think that is a "right-wing" idea? How about
instead of "right", "left", "liberal", or "conservative" we identify it
for what it really is, "statist" -- the idea that the government is the
provider of solutions and has first dibs on all wealth and labor,
whatever is left is from the benevolence of that government that they
let you keep that much.

>
> > >
> > > Besides, you keep arguing that the founding fathers were wrong about
> > > just about everything.
> > >
> >
> > No, don't believe I have ever come even close to saying that, exactly
> > the opposite is really the case.
>
> That's the PC thing to say, but every political post contradicts you,
> including your silly whining about PBS.
>

OK p_j, point out exactly where in the constitution Congress is given
the power to take from one group of people and give to another. Where
is the idea of a public information system (aside from the establishment
of the Post Office) established by the government and supported by
taxpayers? Exactly the opposite ideas were espoused by the framers of
the constitution, this is abundantly evident in the writings in the
federalist and anti-federalist papers, and by various congressional
proceedings at or about the establishment of the US. The founders were
very concerned about an encroaching federal government and sought to
limit its power and influence. A posting of a speech to congress
regarding the inappropriateness of using the peoples' money for a
charitable cause was given in this forum several months ago.

Show me where in the constitution, the federalist or anti-federalist
papers or other writings of the founders that your positions are their
intent. Show where in their writings they would support the idea of
limiting the ability of groups of people to pool money to present
political ideas and political speech some arbitrary number of days
before an election.

> --
>
> "The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will
> occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions
> and moneyed incorporations." - Thomas Jefferson
>

"Hal H" writes:

> the following is my response to the letter from KCET (local pbs station
> in Los Angeles) informing me that NTW and TOH are no longer in their
line-up
> guess I'm a bit peeved
> Hal

I have also responded. Contact me off list if you would like a copy.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures