Long ago, when doors were MUCH tighter, you needed to angle cut the
latchside of a door so that it could swing and not catch the inside edge,
but when close the outside edge looked tight.
For a 30" door, what angle should I use?
I want to build a almost hidden closet door using SOSS hinges, and as small
a door gap around the frame as I can, but the last time I tried this I
couldn't open the door because the latch side couldn't "swing"
I tried looking for help on the web, but could not find the right search
terms.
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Bob Sisson
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:03:02 -0500, "Bob Sisson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Long ago, when doors were MUCH tighter, you needed to angle cut the
>latchside of a door so that it could swing and not catch the inside edge,
>but when close the outside edge looked tight.
>
>For a 30" door, what angle should I use?
2 degrees
>
>I want to build a almost hidden closet door using SOSS hinges, and as small
>a door gap around the frame as I can, but the last time I tried this I
>couldn't open the door because the latch side couldn't "swing"
go a couple more degrees and close up the visible gap. best bet for a
concealed door is to arrange some other details in the room that hide
the gap.
>
>I tried looking for help on the web, but could not find the right search
>terms.
The door will be in the middle of a wall, with no casing, framing, or other
things to point out "There's a door here." I am hoping to have a tight a
seam as I can get, allowing for seasonal expansion and contraction. It will
be drywall faced solid door. I will use a edge protecting trim for both the
wall segment and the door, so all that should show will be shadow line. I
will put a shelf on the door, and that will become the door-pull.
I already have a door behind a bookcase elsewhere in the house, but that
won't fit in this room.
thanks for the 2 deg. answer.
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3 Degree is the standard on passage way doors, You can do more if desired
If you want a real tight fit make the door 1/32 or 1/16 large angle the edge
at 3 to 5 degree
right to a point and then sand or block plane that point to fit
To get the exact angle do a layout at full scale check the pivot point on
your hinge and swing an arc with trammel points & measure the angle. If you
do not have trammel point use two small holes in a stck for a compass
Good Luck, George
"Bob Sisson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Long ago, when doors were MUCH tighter, you needed to angle cut the
> latchside of a door so that it could swing and not catch the inside edge,
> but when close the outside edge looked tight.
>
> For a 30" door, what angle should I use?
>
> I want to build a almost hidden closet door using SOSS hinges, and as
small
> a door gap around the frame as I can, but the last time I tried this I
> couldn't open the door because the latch side couldn't "swing"
>
> I tried looking for help on the web, but could not find the right search
> terms.
>
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> Bob Sisson
> Keeper of the Dragon and other things at Redwall
> mailto:[email protected]
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>
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Are you installing a molding around the door box ? Is the door going to be
flush with the wall or recessed in a door box using jambs and case work?
Bob it sounds like you need to make a custom made door box to go with the
taper fit on the door.
Why almost hidden ? Why not make it hidden and the seam will be gone as
well.
Because of the changes in climate,doors will swell up depending on make and
characteristice as much as 1/2 inch all around.I would be leery about making
a tight fitting door because of this. The edge of the outside skin could be
vulnerable to damage caused by jamming.The taper doors were more widely used
on exterior soild core entrances to keep out weather and drafts.Two pivot
points ,top and bottom of your door would be better served for your solution
or better yet a pocket door on tracks.
"Bob Sisson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Long ago, when doors were MUCH tighter, you needed to angle cut the
> latchside of a door so that it could swing and not catch the inside edge,
> but when close the outside edge looked tight.
>
> For a 30" door, what angle should I use?
>
> I want to build a almost hidden closet door using SOSS hinges, and as
small
> a door gap around the frame as I can, but the last time I tried this I
> couldn't open the door because the latch side couldn't "swing"
>
> I tried looking for help on the web, but could not find the right search
> terms.
>
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>
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>
> Bob Sisson
> Keeper of the Dragon and other things at Redwall
> mailto:[email protected]
> http://www.SissonFamily.com/bob
>
>
Bob Sisson wrote:
>The door will be in the middle of a wall, with no casing, framing, or other
>things to point out "There's a door here." I am hoping to have a tight a
>seam as I can get, allowing for seasonal expansion and contraction. It will
>be drywall faced solid door. I will use a edge protecting trim for both the
>wall segment and the door, so all that should show will be shadow line. I
>will put a shelf on the door, and that will become the door-pull.
Be sure of the required placement of the Soss before you
finalize the design. A Soss (again from memory) is usually
placed very close to the face of the wide side of the door.
Also, a neat little trick that Soss recommends, use two
hinges toward the top of the opening and a single hinge down
low. The uppers take the cantilevered weight while the
lower is really only there as a pivot point.
UA100
In article <[email protected]>,
Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bob Sisson wrote:
>>The door will be in the middle of a wall, with no casing, framing, or other
>>things to point out "There's a door here." I am hoping to have a tight a
>>seam as I can get, allowing for seasonal expansion and contraction. It will
>>be drywall faced solid door. I will use a edge protecting trim for both the
>>wall segment and the door, so all that should show will be shadow line. I
>>will put a shelf on the door, and that will become the door-pull.
>
>
>Be sure of the required placement of the Soss before you
>finalize the design. A Soss (again from memory) is usually
>placed very close to the face of the wide side of the door.
YUP! 5/32" *max*, for the medium-size ones (2xx series). Exceed that
dimension, _at_all_, and the hinge will not open properly. it will bind
_well_ before it reaches even 90 degrees open. DAHMHIKT.
SOSS hinges are also *FUNNY* (as in 'odd', and/or 'weird').
They _don't_ have a single pivot point,
Specs say you gotta have 3/64" 'gap' on the hinge side, for a 208 hinge.
Between the surface plates of the hinge. (varies by hinge, see the
engineering drawings at:
<http://www.soss.com/cad/>
for the specific hinge being used. Rummage through some of the others
that are the same 1st digit, too. sometimes there's info on a 'related'
drawing, that didn't make it to the drawing for the specific hinge being
used. PDF's are available for on-line viewing, or you can download .DWG
or .DXF files for use in a CAD program.
2 degrees (mentioned) elsewhere, sounds about right for a 'tight fit'
_conventional_ hinged door.
I'd consider a small rabbet in the front side of the non-hinge-side jamb.
leaving a 'reasonable' gap between the jamb and the main part of the door.
sort-of like this:
+------+
| hinge|
| |
| D |
| O |
| O |
| R |
+-----++
||
+-----+||
| |++
| +-+
| W |
| A |
| L |
| L |
| |
only that narrow strip has to be 'near snug' to the wall, and you've
ensured that there is _not_ a clear light-path through the 'gap', to
give it away.
The _ideal_ way to accomplish this kind of 'concealment' is by visual
'diversion'/'distraction'. find a way to put a _pattern_ of such vertical
lines on the wall, and the two edges of the door "just happen" to coincide
with two parts of the pattern.
<grin>
>
>Also, a neat little trick that Soss recommends, use two
>hinges toward the top of the opening and a single hinge down
>low. The uppers take the cantilevered weight while the
>lower is really only there as a pivot point.
>
>UA100
Bob Sisson wrote:
>For a 30" door, what angle should I use?
The industry standard for bevel is 1/8" in 2".
The industry standard for gap using 1/8" in 2" is 1/8".
It is possible that a tightened gap will work but the
standard is based on seasonal variations that cause swelling
of the door and the typical door thickness of 1 3/4".
>I want to build a almost hidden closet door using SOSS hinges, and as small
>a door gap around the frame as I can, but the last time I tried this I
>couldn't open the door because the latch side couldn't "swing"
If memory serves me correctly the Soss has a 1/16" gap. It
might be possible to lessen the gap by mortising the hinges
deeper but you will be subject to hinge binding.
>I tried looking for help on the web, but could not find the right search
>terms.
Something you might want to consider. With the Soss hinges
you've pretty well made the gap go away on the hinges edge.
On the strike edge you could try rabbeting the edge of the
door so that it would fit into a corresponding rabbet in the
frame. Configure the gap on the "non-seen" side of the door
to be as wide as need be and the gap on the "seen" side to
be as little as it need be and maybe even angle the edge so
you don't see such a dark line as you'd normally see.
Of course this is all contingent upon the selected latch
set. Most "off the shelf" sets will only work with a square
edge or 1/8" in 2" bevel.
Oh, and I wish all door problems were as simple as your's.
UA100