New DeWalt planer

the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the 'big
stuff'. . .<s>

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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
> DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure
> from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
> wood dust throughout your shop.
>
> dave
>
> Gregg Germain wrote:
> > I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
> >
> > Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> > it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> > the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
> >
> > I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> > shop to not have to have a dust collection system
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > --- Gregg
> >
> > My woodworking projects:
> >
> >
> > Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
> >
> > Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
> >
> > Steambending FAQ with photos:
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> > [email protected]
> > Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> > Phone: (617) 496-1558
> >
>

Beg to differ about what. . .? Yes I have seen one running, mine. And I
agree it is messy.. But you missed my point. You pointed out the
inadequacies of the cloth cover as "It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
wood dust throughout your shop." I merely pointed out that the dust will be
dispersed even without the cloth cover so might as well use it an at least
catch the big stuff and not disperse those throughout the workshop.

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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I beg to differ. I've seen it in action; it's messy. Using a DC
> contains the dust within the chip ejection ducting. Of course there is
> always going to be dust and a few chips coming out of the ends of the
> planer. Ever seen a 735 running?
>
> dave
>
> SwampBug wrote:
>
> > the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the 'big
> > stuff'. . .<s>
> >
> > --
> > SwampBug
> > - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
> >>DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure
> >>from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
> >>wood dust throughout your shop.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Gregg Germain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
> >>>
> >>>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> >>>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> >>>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> >>> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>--- Gregg
> >>>
> >>>My woodworking projects:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
> >>>
> >>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
> >>>
> >>>Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
> >>>
> >>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
> >>>
> >>>Steambending FAQ with photos:
> >>>
> >>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> >>>[email protected]
> >>>Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> >>>Phone: (617) 496-1558
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Absolutely!

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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I think we are on a different wavelength on this thread! :) What I was
> getting at was that unless you use a true DC, relying on the chip
> ejection feature is messy. Would you agree with that statement?
>
> dave
>
> SwampBug wrote:
>
> > Beg to differ about what. . .? Yes I have seen one running, mine. And I
> > agree it is messy.. But you missed my point. You pointed out the
> > inadequacies of the cloth cover as "It gets the big stuff, but will
disperse
> > wood dust throughout your shop." I merely pointed out that the dust will
be
> > dispersed even without the cloth cover so might as well use it an at
least
> > catch the big stuff and not disperse those throughout the workshop.
> >
> > --
> > SwampBug
> > - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I beg to differ. I've seen it in action; it's messy. Using a DC
> >>contains the dust within the chip ejection ducting. Of course there is
> >>always going to be dust and a few chips coming out of the ends of the
> >>planer. Ever seen a 735 running?
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>SwampBug wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the
'big
> >>>stuff'. . .<s>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>SwampBug
> >>>- - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
> >>>>DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive
pressure
> >>>
> >>>>from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
> >>>
> >>>>wood dust throughout your shop.
> >>>>
> >>>>dave
> >>>>
> >>>>Gregg Germain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> >>>>>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is
by
> >>>>>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> >>>>>shop to not have to have a dust collection system
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- Gregg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>My woodworking projects:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Steambending FAQ with photos:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> >>>>>[email protected]
> >>>>>Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> >>>>>Phone: (617) 496-1558
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>

Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:

> I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>
> Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>
> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> shop to not have to have a dust collection system

It seems like a trash can with a seperator lid connected to a shop vac
with a HEPA filter would serve well with this planer. Planers produce
mostly large chips with relatively small amounts of the dangerous fine
dust. If the planer blower has the omph to eject the chips into the
trash can seperator, the Shop Vac should be adequate for catching the
relatively small amount of fine dust that comes through. This is a lot
cheaper than a full DC system and if you are primarily a Neader, a Shop
Vac with a HEPA filter (and perhaps the disposable drywall dust bags for
easy emptying) is probably enough for most of your needs anyway.
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 06:33:19 GMT, Jim Polaski <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>>
>> Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
>> it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
>> the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>>
>> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
>> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> --- Gregg
>>
>> My woodworking projects:
>>
>>
>> Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>>
>> Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>>
>> Steambending FAQ with photos:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
>> [email protected]
>> Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
>> Phone: (617) 496-1558
>>
>
>I don't think I'd ever want to be w/o dust collection. Too much to deal
>with if you don't and if you have any heat in a small shop, or water
>tank nearby, a LOT of dust is not exactly a good thing either.
>
>I've got a small shop, perhaps 10" wide and maybe 16' long now, it was
>half that before my addition. Still, I have a Dust Boy in the corner and
>drag a hose to things as needed since I haven't put in fixed pipe yet.
>And it does a great job with the 6"--4" which starts out with a lot of
>CFM so I don't lose that much at the machines. I've got an old Delta
>planer that throws a LOT of chips and this thing will grab most.



Your shop is only 10" wide Jimbo? Must be pretty cramped. No wonder
you are always in such a bad mood over in CSMA.

Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
:>
:>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
:>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
:>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
:>
:> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
:> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
:>
:> Any thoughts?
:
: My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a
: small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.

Hi Doug,

I have a small shop and no DC unit.

What was your second thought?

;^)


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--- Gregg
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
[email protected]
Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Phone: (617) 496-1558

Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
:>Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
:>: In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain
:> <[email protected]> wrote:
:>:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
:>:>
:>:>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
:>:>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
:>:>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
:>:>
:>:> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
:>:> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
:>:>
:>:> Any thoughts?
:>:
:>: My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a
:>: small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.
:>
:> Hi Doug,
:>
:> I have a small shop and no DC unit.
:>
:> What was your second thought?
:>
: That you should get a dust collector. :-)


But..I'm a Neader!

HAHHAA well to tell the truth, I've been considering buying a 12"
planer. And so, I figured I'd have to by a DC unit at the same time.

But I figured that if the 735 chip collection worked ok, then I
might consider that product since it woud save me the price of the
DC unit. But I needed to know if it really worked, and I hadn't
considered that the dust gets through the cloth.

THAT is why I asked the question ;^)



--- Gregg
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
[email protected]
Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Phone: (617) 496-1558

Stephen M wrote:

> Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy winter up
> here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....

Especially when the carbon monoxide draft down the chimney puts out the pilot
light.

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Puff Griffis wrote:
> Hey Dex I had a thought for a filter system. I mention this to you because being in AJ you should understand what a swamp cooler is. Anywho take a swamp cooler and face it out of the shop. Replace the cooler pads with furnace filters and whamo a airborne dust filter for less than $100 what do you think ?
>
> Puff "Started in KY moved to AZ then moved back to KY" Griffis
>
> "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:C%[email protected]...
>> > > Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, filters
>> > > and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and keep
>> the
>> > > dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter around
>> the
>> > > DC system.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy winter
>> up
>> > here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....
>> >
>> > > DexAZ
>> >
>> Stephen,
>>
>> You are correct, SIR. Apache Junction (extreme east suburb 35 miles from
>> Phoenix) I had not thought of how that would impact your heating/my
>> cooling. But now that you mention it, one more little breeze in the shop in
>> July or August would certainly be welcome. The ceiling fan in garage/shop
>> is fairly useless when it is +112 outside.
>>
>> Current temp showing as 84 degrees F, but the sensor is in the sunshine
>> right now, 67F is probably closer to actual. Mid 80s yesterday. Several
>> storms forecast for next week or so, spaced about 48 hours apart. Maybe
>> we'll get some rain? AJ has avg. annual rainfall of about 8.5 inches (yes,
>> all year) Last few years we've fallen way short of that. (have not
>> shoveled snow since we moved from Minn. in '96) Red grapefruit, lemons &
>> navel oranges now ripe on trees in backyard. Many trees beginning to leaf
>> out and blossom. Citrus trees to bloom soon. Must make REAL sure where
>> that seatbelt buckle is _before_ you get into the car in summer. Nasty
>> burns otherwise.
>>
>> DexAZ
>> AJ, AZ
>>
>>
>
If it is facing out of the shop, why do you need filters?

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I don't know 10" dowels are fine for most applications.
Puff

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> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:02:58 -0800, John <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >
> >Your shop is only 10" wide Jimbo? Must be pretty cramped. No wonder
> >you are always in such a bad mood over in CSMA.
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> :>:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
> :>:>
> :>:>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> :>:>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> :>:>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
> :>:>
> :>:> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> :>:> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
> :>:>
> :>:> Any thoughts?
> :>:
> :>: My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because
even a
> :>: small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.
> :>
> :> Hi Doug,
> :>
> :> I have a small shop and no DC unit.
> :>
> :> What was your second thought?
> :>
> : That you should get a dust collector. :-)
>
>
> But..I'm a Neader!
>
> HAHHAA well to tell the truth, I've been considering buying a 12"
> planer. And so, I figured I'd have to by a DC unit at the same time.
>
> But I figured that if the 735 chip collection worked ok, then I
> might consider that product since it woud save me the price of the
> DC unit. But I needed to know if it really worked, and I hadn't
> considered that the dust gets through the cloth.
>
> THAT is why I asked the question ;^)

In another thread, here or in someother ww forum, there has been much
discussion regarding various filters & bags for DC systems as well as air
filter systems. Seems no matter what you are using or how much $$ you
invest in keeping the dust down in your shop, _some_ will escape capture.
Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, filters
and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and keep the
dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter around the
DC system.

As yet, I have neither the time, $$ or inclination to do so. The chip
fan/cloth cover on a trash can does a great job taking much of the load off
my current Mark-I sawdust/chip collection system...the age old broom and
dust pan. After all, I have a simple woodworking shop (hobbiest-class) NOT
a NASA clean room. For those who can afford all the tools and toys a well
run shop _should_ have, good for you. However, there are still those of us
who, for what ever reasons, must get by with less than the biggest & best.
I am, so far, thrilled with my DW735. The fact that it has the chip ejector
fan was icing on the cake and a major reason I chose the 735.

DexAZ

> It seems like a trash can with a seperator lid connected to a shop vac
> with a HEPA filter would serve well with this planer. Planers produce
> mostly large chips with relatively small amounts of the dangerous fine
> dust.

There are no "mostly large chips". My DW735 creates only fine, thin
chips...maybe 10 times the size of a flake of black pepper and dust. 96 &
179 cpi makes for _very_ thin chips AND a fine, talc-like dust. (the
dangerous fine dust you mention) The built-in chip blower and my home-made
cloth cover over a trashcan does a good job of collecting all of the chips
and most of the dust. Some day I'll try the seperator lid as you suggest.
Would make dumping the chips easier.

>If the planer blower has the omph to eject the chips into the
> trash can seperator,

Oh yeah, it has lots of omph all right. Without any collection attached, it
will blow chips/dust clear down my driveway (about 20-25'?) Great if you
want to mulch the yard as you plane your stock!

> the Shop Vac should be adequate for catching the
> relatively small amount of fine dust that comes through. This is a lot
> cheaper than a full DC system and if you are primarily a Neader, a Shop
> Vac with a HEPA filter (and perhaps the disposable drywall dust bags for
> easy emptying) is probably enough for most of your needs anyway.
> --

I think their optional cloth chip collection trashcan cover would have been
a real good deal but, being a cheap SOB, I figured I could make my own.
Mine works well enough but I would like to see how theirs works. At $50-65,
I doubt I saved myself much. If I had it to do over, I'd spend the $ and
get their optional one.

DexAZ

In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>: In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>:>
>:>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
>:>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
>:>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>:>
>:> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
>:> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>:>
>:> Any thoughts?
>:
>: My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a
>: small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> I have a small shop and no DC unit.
>
> What was your second thought?
>
That you should get a dust collector. :-)

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Good point. I was mixing my two ideas. Facing out of the shop would of =
course not need filters. My second idea was for using as a hanger within =
the shop so the filters would be needed.
Puff

"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> Puff Griffis wrote:
> > Hey Dex I had a thought for a filter system. I mention this to you =
because being in AJ you should understand what a swamp cooler is. Anywho =
take a swamp cooler and face it out of the shop. Replace the cooler pads =
with furnace filters and whamo a airborne dust filter for less than $100 =
what do you think ?
> >=20
> > Puff "Started in KY moved to AZ then moved back to KY" Griffis
> >=20
> > "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> >>=20
> >> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > news:C%[email protected]...
> >> > > Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, =
bags, filters
> >> > > and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space =
and keep
> >> the
> >> > > dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter =
around
> >> the
> >> > > DC system.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy =
winter
> >> up
> >> > here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at =
600cfm.....
> >> >
> >> > > DexAZ
> >> >
> >> Stephen,
> >>=20
> >> You are correct, SIR. Apache Junction (extreme east suburb 35 =
miles from
> >> Phoenix) I had not thought of how that would impact your =
heating/my
> >> cooling. But now that you mention it, one more little breeze in =
the shop in
> >> July or August would certainly be welcome. The ceiling fan in =
garage/shop
> >> is fairly useless when it is +112 outside.
> >>=20
> >> Current temp showing as 84 degrees F, but the sensor is in the =
sunshine
> >> right now, 67F is probably closer to actual. Mid 80s yesterday. =
Several
> >> storms forecast for next week or so, spaced about 48 hours apart. =
Maybe
> >> we'll get some rain? AJ has avg. annual rainfall of about 8.5 =
inches (yes,
> >> all year) Last few years we've fallen way short of that. (have =
not
> >> shoveled snow since we moved from Minn. in '96) Red grapefruit, =
lemons &
> >> navel oranges now ripe on trees in backyard. Many trees beginning =
to leaf
> >> out and blossom. Citrus trees to bloom soon. Must make REAL sure =
where
> >> that seatbelt buckle is _before_ you get into the car in summer. =
Nasty
> >> burns otherwise.
> >>=20
> >> DexAZ
> >> AJ, AZ
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >=20
> If it is facing out of the shop, why do you need filters?
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I cobbled up my own cloth cover and tied it onto a trash can. Connected it
to the 13" DW735 by using a couple of ShopVac wands and 90 degree elbows.
Works great! 100% of the chips make it to the can, 5% find their way out of
leaks in the cloth. I only had so much duct tape. Sorry Red Green! Some
day I'll fire up the sewing machine and stitch up a trash can cover that is
more leak-proof. For now, this works. Getting back to your questions, the
chip ejector is very powerful. As you suggest, it is ideal for those of us
w/o DC systems. So powerful that with nothing connected to the 735, I can
blow chips down the driveway and into the street. Folks driving by seemed
quite impressed! I'm not real good reading lips but I think they were
saying, "What in the #@!! is that *&^* fool doing now?" (mulching the
driveway with oak, cherry and maple...)

DexAZ

"Gregg Germain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>
> Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>
> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --- Gregg
>
> My woodworking projects:
>
>
> Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>
> Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>
> Steambending FAQ with photos:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>
>
>
> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> [email protected]
> Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> Phone: (617) 496-1558
>

"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:C%[email protected]...
> > Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, filters
> > and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and keep
the
> > dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter around
the
> > DC system.
> >
>
> Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy winter
up
> here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....
>
> > DexAZ
>
Stephen,

You are correct, SIR. Apache Junction (extreme east suburb 35 miles from
Phoenix) I had not thought of how that would impact your heating/my
cooling. But now that you mention it, one more little breeze in the shop in
July or August would certainly be welcome. The ceiling fan in garage/shop
is fairly useless when it is +112 outside.

Current temp showing as 84 degrees F, but the sensor is in the sunshine
right now, 67F is probably closer to actual. Mid 80s yesterday. Several
storms forecast for next week or so, spaced about 48 hours apart. Maybe
we'll get some rain? AJ has avg. annual rainfall of about 8.5 inches (yes,
all year) Last few years we've fallen way short of that. (have not
shoveled snow since we moved from Minn. in '96) Red grapefruit, lemons &
navel oranges now ripe on trees in backyard. Many trees beginning to leaf
out and blossom. Citrus trees to bloom soon. Must make REAL sure where
that seatbelt buckle is _before_ you get into the car in summer. Nasty
burns otherwise.

DexAZ
AJ, AZ

Hey Dex I had a thought for a filter system. I mention this to you =
because being in AJ you should understand what a swamp cooler is. Anywho =
take a swamp cooler and face it out of the shop. Replace the cooler pads =
with furnace filters and whamo a airborne dust filter for less than $100 =
what do you think ?

Puff "Started in KY moved to AZ then moved back to KY" Griffis

"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
>=20
> "Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:C%[email protected]...
> > > Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, =
filters
> > > and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and =
keep
> the
> > > dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter =
around
> the
> > > DC system.
> > >
> >
> > Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy =
winter
> up
> > here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....
> >
> > > DexAZ
> >
> Stephen,
>=20
> You are correct, SIR. Apache Junction (extreme east suburb 35 miles =
from
> Phoenix) I had not thought of how that would impact your heating/my
> cooling. But now that you mention it, one more little breeze in the =
shop in
> July or August would certainly be welcome. The ceiling fan in =
garage/shop
> is fairly useless when it is +112 outside.
>=20
> Current temp showing as 84 degrees F, but the sensor is in the =
sunshine
> right now, 67F is probably closer to actual. Mid 80s yesterday. =
Several
> storms forecast for next week or so, spaced about 48 hours apart. =
Maybe
> we'll get some rain? AJ has avg. annual rainfall of about 8.5 inches =
(yes,
> all year) Last few years we've fallen way short of that. (have not
> shoveled snow since we moved from Minn. in '96) Red grapefruit, =
lemons &
> navel oranges now ripe on trees in backyard. Many trees beginning to =
leaf
> out and blossom. Citrus trees to bloom soon. Must make REAL sure =
where
> that seatbelt buckle is _before_ you get into the car in summer. =
Nasty
> burns otherwise.
>=20
> DexAZ
> AJ, AZ
>=20
>

I think we are on a different wavelength on this thread! :) What I was
getting at was that unless you use a true DC, relying on the chip
ejection feature is messy. Would you agree with that statement?

dave

SwampBug wrote:

> Beg to differ about what. . .? Yes I have seen one running, mine. And I
> agree it is messy.. But you missed my point. You pointed out the
> inadequacies of the cloth cover as "It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
> wood dust throughout your shop." I merely pointed out that the dust will be
> dispersed even without the cloth cover so might as well use it an at least
> catch the big stuff and not disperse those throughout the workshop.
>
> --
> SwampBug
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I beg to differ. I've seen it in action; it's messy. Using a DC
>>contains the dust within the chip ejection ducting. Of course there is
>>always going to be dust and a few chips coming out of the ends of the
>>planer. Ever seen a 735 running?
>>
>>dave
>>
>>SwampBug wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the 'big
>>>stuff'. . .<s>
>>>
>>>--
>>>SwampBug
>>>- - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
>>>>DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure
>>>
>>>>from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
>>>
>>>>wood dust throughout your shop.
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>>Gregg Germain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
>>>>>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
>>>>>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
>>>>>shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>--- Gregg
>>>>>
>>>>>My woodworking projects:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Steambending FAQ with photos:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
>>>>>[email protected]
>>>>>Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
>>>>>Phone: (617) 496-1558
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C%[email protected]...
> Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, filters
> and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and keep the
> dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter around the
> DC system.
>

Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy winter up
here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....

> DexAZ

In article <[email protected]>,
Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:

> I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>
> Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>
> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --- Gregg
>
> My woodworking projects:
>
>
> Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>
> Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>
> Steambending FAQ with photos:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>
>
>
> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> [email protected]
> Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> Phone: (617) 496-1558
>

I don't think I'd ever want to be w/o dust collection. Too much to deal
with if you don't and if you have any heat in a small shop, or water
tank nearby, a LOT of dust is not exactly a good thing either.

I've got a small shop, perhaps 10" wide and maybe 16' long now, it was
half that before my addition. Still, I have a Dust Boy in the corner and
drag a hose to things as needed since I haven't put in fixed pipe yet.
And it does a great job with the 6"--4" which starts out with a lot of
CFM so I don't lose that much at the machines. I've got an old Delta
planer that throws a LOT of chips and this thing will grab most.

--
Jim Polaski
"The measure of a man is what he will do
knowing he will get nothing in return."

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:02:58 -0800, John <[email protected]> wrote:


>
>Your shop is only 10" wide Jimbo? Must be pretty cramped. No wonder
>you are always in such a bad mood over in CSMA.


I'm sure he meant 10' wide by 16" long. Much more reasonable-

Perfect for making dowels, for instance

;->

James
[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>
>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>
> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>
> Any thoughts?

My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a
small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller

For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
email me at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com

I beg to differ. I've seen it in action; it's messy. Using a DC
contains the dust within the chip ejection ducting. Of course there is
always going to be dust and a few chips coming out of the ends of the
planer. Ever seen a 735 running?

dave

SwampBug wrote:

> the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the 'big
> stuff'. . .<s>
>
> --
> SwampBug
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
>>DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure
>>from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
>>wood dust throughout your shop.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Gregg Germain wrote:
>>
>>>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>>>
>>>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
>>>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
>>>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>>>
>>> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
>>> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>--- Gregg
>>>
>>>My woodworking projects:
>>>
>>>
>>>Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>>>
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>>>
>>>Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>>>
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>>>
>>>Steambending FAQ with photos:
>>>
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
>>>[email protected]
>>>Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
>>>Phone: (617) 496-1558
>>>
>>
>
>

Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a
DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure
from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse
wood dust throughout your shop.

dave

Gregg Germain wrote:
> I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
>
> Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as
> it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by
> the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
>
> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small
> shop to not have to have a dust collection system
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --- Gregg
>
> My woodworking projects:
>
>
> Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
>
> Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
>
> Steambending FAQ with photos:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
>
>
>
> "Improvise, adapt, overcome."
> [email protected]
> Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> Phone: (617) 496-1558
>