Dust Collector Pipe Size

"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:06:08 GMT, "Joe C" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Absolutely buy the cyclone lid. I bought one with my penn state 1 1/2hp
and
> >have never had to empty the bags. The bags have built up a decent dust
cake
>
> absolutely DONT buy the separator lid. Make it. Its not difficult and
> turns out to be much cheaper. If you dont want to go as far as Joe
> has, simply cobble up a piece of plywood cut into a circle approx 2"
> larger than the diameter of your collector can. I use a metal 30 gal.
> Tape up some foam weather strip around the brim of the can. sit the
> lid on top and youre good to go.
>
Are you saying the homemade are better, or just cheaper? Grizzly has them
now for 19.95. That is a tough price to compete with.

>The 2 "lids" that I have used just do not seem to work all that well wilth
>the 2 Hp Griz... lost a good bit of air flow but the DC still functions ..
>

2 hp dc's and larger just have too much airflow to use a separator lid. a 3hp
14" dc would suck the can clean (G)

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:06:08 GMT, "Joe C" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Absolutely buy the cyclone lid. I bought one with my penn state 1 1/2hp and
>have never had to empty the bags. The bags have built up a decent dust cake

absolutely DONT buy the separator lid. Make it. Its not difficult and
turns out to be much cheaper. If you dont want to go as far as Joe
has, simply cobble up a piece of plywood cut into a circle approx 2"
larger than the diameter of your collector can. I use a metal 30 gal.
Tape up some foam weather strip around the brim of the can. sit the
lid on top and youre good to go.

TomL

Everyone seem to LOVE these seperator lids...

. Well I( have 2 DC...a small 1 Hp Penn State unit that handles my Planer
and Occ Sander along with my router table...
and a 2 Hp Griz that handles the Table saw stationary sander and other
tools...

The 2 "lids" that I have used just do not seem to work all that well wilth
the 2 Hp Griz... lost a good bit of air flow but the DC still functions ..

BUT when the metal trash can itself fills up about 1/4 of the way THEN
everything (all new dust etc) just flows into the bags... ...

I just find that I have to empty the 1/4 filled trash can every other day
,,, Or simply remove the trash can and empty the bags every month or
so....and get a little more air flow out of the system...

I am Not a Big fan of these seperator lids..

Bob Griffiths

here's the link:


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rodec/woodworking/articles/DC_myths.html


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"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> First, buy "Woodshop Dust Control" by Sandor Nagyszalanczy. This is a
very
> comprehensive book that deals with just about every question you'll have
> (only $15.37 at amazon.com).
>
> Anyway, I have the Veritas cyclone lid and it works great. But, you don't
> really need it so much for the table saw, but for the jointer and planer
it
> is a must-have, IMO. Just the other day I was planing and jointing about
> 125 board feet of ash and I filled up a 30 gallon trash can 1.5 times.
> That's a lot of dust/shavings that I won't have to dump out of my dust
> collector.
>
> I'm planning a ductwork system which will have a 5" main line with a 4"
drop
> to the cyclone lid and a flex hose with quick disconnect for the tablesaw,
> jointer and planer. I'll then have more 5" main line with separate 4"
drops
> for the lathe, chop saw, router (reduced to 2.5" at the cabinet), bandsaw
> and a floor sweep. I calculated static pressure drops, etc. for all of
this
> and should be fine for my 1.5 hp Jet dust collector. The linear distance
of
> the entire main line is only about 25 feet and each drop is about 6 feet,
> max. With blast gates, the air flow should be pretty good. Also, no
matter
> what you read using PVC for the ductwork is fine, and you don't need to
> ground it. There is a good scientific evaluation of this problem
somewhere
> on the net (DAGS) that makes it very clear.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --
>
> There are no stupid questions.
> There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
>
>
> "Roy Warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I have recently purchased a Delta 1 1/2 HP Dust Collector. It has two
> > 4" outlet ports off of it. One is going directly to my unisaw, planer
> > and jointer that are fairly close by. I wanted to run an overhead pipe
> > about 24' away for the radial arm, band saw and chop saw etc. What
> > size pipe should I use for this run, realizing that I will likely want
> > to go down in size for the drop downs to the different tools? I plan
> > to use metal pipe so I don't have to get into that whole ground or not
> > ground discussion!
> >
> > I was also looking at buying a Veritus Cyclone lid to use in the
> > table saw run. What is the general opnion of this? Is it worth it?
>
>

Absolutely buy the cyclone lid. I bought one with my penn state 1 1/2hp and
have never had to empty the bags. The bags have built up a decent dust cake
and still no blow through and I've never had to remove/empty the bags. If
you want to avoid the mess/hassle of handling dust-laden bags, this is the
way to go.

While you're at it, get the Long Ranger, RF remote switch for the DC.
You'll thank yourself later.

Joe

"Roy Warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have recently purchased a Delta 1 1/2 HP Dust Collector. It has two
> 4" outlet ports off of it. One is going directly to my unisaw, planer
> and jointer that are fairly close by. I wanted to run an overhead pipe
> about 24' away for the radial arm, band saw and chop saw etc. What
> size pipe should I use for this run, realizing that I will likely want
> to go down in size for the drop downs to the different tools? I plan
> to use metal pipe so I don't have to get into that whole ground or not
> ground discussion!
>
> I was also looking at buying a Veritus Cyclone lid to use in the
> table saw run. What is the general opnion of this? Is it worth it?

First, buy "Woodshop Dust Control" by Sandor Nagyszalanczy. This is a very
comprehensive book that deals with just about every question you'll have
(only $15.37 at amazon.com).

Anyway, I have the Veritas cyclone lid and it works great. But, you don't
really need it so much for the table saw, but for the jointer and planer it
is a must-have, IMO. Just the other day I was planing and jointing about
125 board feet of ash and I filled up a 30 gallon trash can 1.5 times.
That's a lot of dust/shavings that I won't have to dump out of my dust
collector.

I'm planning a ductwork system which will have a 5" main line with a 4" drop
to the cyclone lid and a flex hose with quick disconnect for the tablesaw,
jointer and planer. I'll then have more 5" main line with separate 4" drops
for the lathe, chop saw, router (reduced to 2.5" at the cabinet), bandsaw
and a floor sweep. I calculated static pressure drops, etc. for all of this
and should be fine for my 1.5 hp Jet dust collector. The linear distance of
the entire main line is only about 25 feet and each drop is about 6 feet,
max. With blast gates, the air flow should be pretty good. Also, no matter
what you read using PVC for the ductwork is fine, and you don't need to
ground it. There is a good scientific evaluation of this problem somewhere
on the net (DAGS) that makes it very clear.

Mike



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"Roy Warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have recently purchased a Delta 1 1/2 HP Dust Collector. It has two
> 4" outlet ports off of it. One is going directly to my unisaw, planer
> and jointer that are fairly close by. I wanted to run an overhead pipe
> about 24' away for the radial arm, band saw and chop saw etc. What
> size pipe should I use for this run, realizing that I will likely want
> to go down in size for the drop downs to the different tools? I plan
> to use metal pipe so I don't have to get into that whole ground or not
> ground discussion!
>
> I was also looking at buying a Veritus Cyclone lid to use in the
> table saw run. What is the general opnion of this? Is it worth it?

2 pvc pipes and some scrap plywood. Could that cost more than 10 bucks
or so? Additionally, that plastic stuff they make these things out of
just can't be as sturdy and durable as pvc and plywood. Also, if you
ever plan on upgrading to 5" pipe or if you're using 5" pipe now, that
separator lid becomes somewhat useless. Build it yourself and cut the
plywood oversize and you can use your home made separator lid on a 55
gal can if the need arises. Oh yeah, one other thing......add the 6
bucks shipping charge and youve gone from 20 bucks to 26.

TomL

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:49:48 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:06:08 GMT, "Joe C" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Absolutely buy the cyclone lid. I bought one with my penn state 1 1/2hp
>and
>> >have never had to empty the bags. The bags have built up a decent dust
>cake
>>
>> absolutely DONT buy the separator lid. Make it. Its not difficult and
>> turns out to be much cheaper. If you dont want to go as far as Joe
>> has, simply cobble up a piece of plywood cut into a circle approx 2"
>> larger than the diameter of your collector can. I use a metal 30 gal.
>> Tape up some foam weather strip around the brim of the can. sit the
>> lid on top and youre good to go.
>>
>Are you saying the homemade are better, or just cheaper? Grizzly has them
>now for 19.95. That is a tough price to compete with.
>

On 5 Dec 2003 12:03:58 -0800, [email protected] (Roy Warren) wrote:

>I have recently purchased a Delta 1 1/2 HP Dust Collector. It has two
>4" outlet ports off of it. One is going directly to my unisaw, planer
>and jointer that are fairly close by. I wanted to run an overhead pipe
>about 24' away for the radial arm, band saw and chop saw etc. What
>size pipe should I use for this run, realizing that I will likely want
>to go down in size for the drop downs to the different tools? I plan
>to use metal pipe so I don't have to get into that whole ground or not
>ground discussion!

6"if you can. you loose far less flow. I use 6" to as close as i can to my
machines. 5" would be ok 4" you will start loosing flow.


> I was also looking at buying a Veritus Cyclone lid to use in the
>table saw run. What is the general opnion of this? Is it worth it?
well you do loose flow but if it is a short run it will not be a big deal.


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Roy,

This is exactly what I did. I have a Grizz 2 HP with two 4" dust outlets.
I run one through a cyclone lid to the jointer and TS and the other across
the top of the garage to the bandsaw, planer, and miter saw. I used 4"
ducting from Lowes (30 gauge galvanized). This setup works great. Most
would tell you that 5" would be much better, but this is just a short term
prototype and it works well enough that I won't be replacing it any time
soon.

Montyhp
"Roy Warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have recently purchased a Delta 1 1/2 HP Dust Collector. It has two
> 4" outlet ports off of it. One is going directly to my unisaw, planer
> and jointer that are fairly close by. I wanted to run an overhead pipe
> about 24' away for the radial arm, band saw and chop saw etc. What
> size pipe should I use for this run, realizing that I will likely want
> to go down in size for the drop downs to the different tools? I plan
> to use metal pipe so I don't have to get into that whole ground or not
> ground discussion!
>
> I was also looking at buying a Veritus Cyclone lid to use in the
> table saw run. What is the general opnion of this? Is it worth it?