Marples Chisel Rumour confirmed.

In article <[email protected]>, Greg
Millen <[email protected]> wrote:

> In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality
> steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce
> costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel in
> the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
>
> In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to having
> acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.


You're a week late, Greg...

djb

--
Okay, so this is my new sig line, eh?

Michael wrote...
> It's a free usenet and you're certainly free to engage in any thread
> you choose to. But having read many of your posts, I'm fairly
> convinced you have a lot more to offer others in the newsgroup who
> will extend you the courtesy, (whether they agree with you or not),
> that you deserve.

Kindly put, thank you. I have to take the blame, of course, for allowing
it to slip as far as it did, and for, perhaps, tweaking his nose a bit in
a moment or two of weakness. But then, I'm weak a lot. (G)

Your suggestion, by the way, was taken before it was given.

Cheers!

Jim

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:55:33 GMT, Jim Wilson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Bay Area Dave wrote...
>> That's your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME,
>> instead of merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at
>> hand.
>
>No, Dave, that's not my problem. My problem is I gave you the benefit of
>the doubt. I tried too hard to get you to understand something that, for
>whatever reason, you stubbornly refuse to see.

Jim, this person is an egomaniac with such an inferiority complex that
he can't hold a reasonable discussion in disagreement with anyone.
After more than two years of giving him the benefit of the doubt, I've
washed my hands of him. Even though he's the _only_ person in my
killfile list, since I added his name, the number of insultingly
argumentative posts in the newsgroup has dropped by at least 90
percent. While there are still, and always will be, disagreements
between posters on various topics, none of those disagreements between
the reasonable people on this newsgroup ever degenerate into the
vitriolic name calling that is BAD's hallmark.

It's a free usenet and you're certainly free to engage in any thread
you choose to. But having read many of your posts, I'm fairly
convinced you have a lot more to offer others in the newsgroup who
will extend you the courtesy, (whether they agree with you or not),
that you deserve.

Someone said it takes an entire village to raise a kid. I guess it's
not unreasonable then that it takes an entire newsgroup to kill an
asshole.

Best,
Michael

> Steel that hardens on the end, but not the sides? Does this make
> sense to anyone?
> --
> --henry schaffer

Ah yes - the conflict between Hard and Tough. Hard comes with
Brittle and Tough comes with Bends. Japanese sword makers
solved that one by folding the steel multiple times and work
hardening. When the Samurai trade died out the sword makers
had to find a new market for their skills. Some went into
kitchen knives - but some got into woodworking tools. The
Japanese chisel has a laminated blade - tough steel body with
a hard steel laminated to the working end. The hard steel
end is pounded to an edge, the pounding resulting in work
hardening, making it even harder.

Result - a tool that is hard on the ends but not on the sides.

I've heard that carbon steel was originally made by adding
a virgin to the molten metal. When the supply of virgins
declined dramatically and their prices went through the
roof alternatives were sought. Carved wooden "virgins"
were substituted, the assumption being that The Steel God
might not notice the "minor" change in the sacrificial
offering. Subsequent customer feed back lead to the
discovery that resinous woods seemed to work the best.

Science began replacing Ritual and discovered that it
was the carbon in the steel that made the difference,
not the virginity or the appearance of virginity content.
best. Resinous woods, it turned out, had a very high
carbon content.

There's a moral to that last one -we do what we do because
that's the way it's always been done. Hint: Think about
OIL.

charlie b

Get a set of LN chisels. You'll quickly forget how bad the Marples were.

RB

Bay Area Dave wrote:
> trouble?? I thought we were just having an argument of sorts.
>
> I've been certified competent to stand trial.
>
> Now, on to the MAIN topic, the Marples chisels, which have received some
> thumbs up, and some thumbs down from the good folks here. I don't
> really need to prove that EVERY chisel made in the last 5 years is
> substandard for me to determine that they aren't up to my standards.
> Since none of the Sears chisels have suffered a crumpled edge, I feel
> confident I've made the right choice, which is all I care about. I
> don't really give a flying patootie if you like Marples. I don't care
> if you polish yours up and take them to bed with you. All I care about
> is having serviceable tools that are comfortable, durable and right for
> the tasks at hand. In that vein, I have complained about a soft
> burnisher, and a Delta Band Saw. also I wasn't too happy about the
> loose fence on the PC 557.
>
> I don't need a metallurgy degree to know which brands to avoid in the
> future. There's no need to get so wrapped up in the minutiae of the
> problem; all's necessary is a general like or dislike of a tool. I'm
> footing the bill for my tools; I'm using MY tools; you aren't. I'll
> condemn what I find is substandard. I won't make the mistake of
> purchasing the same brand. that would be counterproductive.
>
> can we NOW lay this to rest? I know how difficult it is for anyone
> involved in an online disagreement to miss out on having the last word,
> so be advised, here and now, that no matter what you respond with, I'm
> not entertaining any further questions, nor will I comment on your
> comments. Not to be rude. just to put this to rest. YOU GET THE LAST
> WORD!
>
>
>
> Here is a quote from you: "In other words, you couldn't substantiate
> your claim whatsoever, but you weren't
> willing to retract it. That's not right, man."
>
> Tell me how that squares with the later statement that you aren't trying
> to prove me wrong, when you wrote, "Neither
> is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong,"
>
> When we meet in a new thread, can we start off fresh?
>
> Remember, I'm not responding, so just have your say.
>
>
>
> dave
>
> Jim Wilson wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>>
>>> all it was was one man's experience, followed by others who had a
>>> similar experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't you wish! You just can't, or don't want to, remember what really
>> happened, huh? Google could help, if you seriously wanted to refresh
>> your memory. Don't you remember anyone saying that their experience
>> DID NOT match yours? There were folks with both good AND bad experiences.
>>
>>
>>> If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't you think I
>>> would have said so??
>>
>>
>>
>> I never questioned whether your chisels performed satisfactorily. I
>> believe you when you say they did not. In fact, I assumed in writing
>> that you were accurately relaying your experience. (Go ahead, double
>> check what I wrote.)
>>
>> But then you claimed Marples "now suck" due to the "softness of the
>> metal they are currently using." That's a whole different thing, and
>> it's an incredible statement. If it were true, it would be big news
>> indeed. So, I asked you to back up your assertion and suggested that
>> if you couldn't, you should avail yourself of the opportunity to
>> graciously retract it. But all you could say was that the "proof was
>> in the pudding." In other words, you couldn't substantiate your claim
>> whatsoever, but you weren't willing to retract it. That's not right, man.
>>
>> You seem to be having a problem drawing rational conclusions from what
>> you experience. It is not reasonable to conclude what you did about
>> the Marples chisels based on your experience with them, even --
>> especially -- considering what others have written regarding their
>> experiences. Neither is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove
>> you wrong," or engage in "assassination" of your character because I
>> called you on a bogus claim. It would be much more sensible to
>> conclude that you made an error. You could *at least* call the
>> manufacturer and ask. Heck, you said you're no expert in metallurgy.
>> Just admit that you don't know why your chisels failed, but they did.
>> There's no shame in that. Stop trying to generalize your experience
>> beyond what it is. You simply don't know more than that.
>>
>>
>>> That's your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME, instead of
>>> merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, Dave, that's not my problem. My problem is I gave you the benefit
>> of the doubt. I tried too hard to get you to understand something
>> that, for whatever reason, you stubbornly refuse to see.
>>
>>
>>> ...Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll stop projecting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmm. A psychological term. Why don't you print out all the posts
>> between you and me regarding this whole discussion. Show them to a
>> psychologist (a real, expert psychologist), and ask him or her if I'm
>> projecting. While you're at it, ask them if you are. Ok?
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> P.S. I sincerely (no joking) apologize to you, Bay Area Dave, for the
>> trouble I've caused you in this discussion. I'll stop.
>
>

"Bob S." wrote in message ...
> I can't wait to hear about your next order from that Canadian tool
> manufacturer........:)

= :-o

since I don't want to get mired in politics, I'll skip
commenting on your comments. I do enough arguing around
here without adding politics to the mix. <g>
dave


Wm Jones wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't
>>you think I would have said so??
>
>
> In fairness...though the four chisel set was returned for "bending" I
> have yet to find the same problem with my 2". Perhaps they came from
> different batches of steel. I like the handle so will keep using it and
> know the Depot will take it back.
>
> Condi Rice: Masters from Notre Dame. Protege of Joseph Korbel. Adjunct
> of the Anti-Christ...traitor to the American People.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
<snip>

> YOU GET THE LAST WORD!

Thanks Dave, I needed a good laugh this morning.
--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> no problem. Jim hasn't availed himself of my offer...

Wow - guess your irony meter is busted again, eh?

> Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> >>YOU GET THE LAST WORD!
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dave, I needed a good laugh this morning.
>
>

--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> could you be ANY more irritating?

Yes I can.

I would think that after all the self-inflicted grief that your skin
would have toughened up a bit by now.

And that by now you'd think *before* you hit the enter key.

--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

actually, I'm following YOUR lead...

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>could you be ANY more irritating?
>
>
> Yes I can.
>
> I would think that after all the self-inflicted grief that your skin
> would have toughened up a bit by now.
>
> And that by now you'd think *before* you hit the enter key.
>

Dave Balderstone wrote...
> In article <[email protected]>, Greg
> Millen <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> > In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower qualit=
y
> > steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to red=
uce
> > costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of stee=
l in
> > the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
> >=20
> > In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to ha=
ving
> > acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.

Suddenly everything's clear!=20

> You're a week late, Greg...

A delay no doubt due to closed-door strategy sessions of the board after=20
BAD's shocking expos=E9. At least they decided to 'fess up. Minimize the PR=
=20
damage they would otherwise suffer from trying to cover it up. Tylenol=20
showed the way. Now all they have to do is implement the recall.

Appreciate the scoop, Greg.

BAD, I was utterly wrong. Please, accept my apology. I promise not to=20
question your authority again.

Humbly yours,

Jim

































<disclaimer for the humor impaired: yes, I'm joking>

I can't wait to hear about your next order from that Canadian tool
manufacturer........:)

Bob S.

"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality
> steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce
> costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel
in
> the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
>
> In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to
having
> acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.
>
> --
> Greg
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality
>> steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce
>> costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel in
>> the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
>>
>> In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to having
>> acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.
>
>In an interview with the president of the Canadian tool manufacturer:
>"because the bandsaw blade sides were quite good, we thought this side
>strenghth would make for excellent burnishers. Apparently, our
>burnisher sides were not hard at all. But we never saw problems with
>the ends of either the bandsaws or the burnishers, so the steel could
>be suitable for chisels, an application where the strength on the
>sides isn't as critical as the strength and cutting ability at the end
>of the tool."

Steel that hardens on the end, but not the sides? Does this make
sense to anyone?
--
--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu

"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality
> steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce
> costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel in
> the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
>
> In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to having
> acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.

In an interview with the president of the Canadian tool manufacturer:
"because the bandsaw blade sides were quite good, we thought this side
strenghth would make for excellent burnishers. Apparently, our
burnisher sides were not hard at all. But we never saw problems with
the ends of either the bandsaws or the burnishers, so the steel could
be suitable for chisels, an application where the strength on the
sides isn't as critical as the strength and cutting ability at the end
of the tool."

trouble?? I thought we were just having an argument of sorts.

I've been certified competent to stand trial.

Now, on to the MAIN topic, the Marples chisels, which have
received some thumbs up, and some thumbs down from the good
folks here. I don't really need to prove that EVERY chisel
made in the last 5 years is substandard for me to determine
that they aren't up to my standards. Since none of the
Sears chisels have suffered a crumpled edge, I feel
confident I've made the right choice, which is all I care
about. I don't really give a flying patootie if you like
Marples. I don't care if you polish yours up and take them
to bed with you. All I care about is having serviceable
tools that are comfortable, durable and right for the tasks
at hand. In that vein, I have complained about a soft
burnisher, and a Delta Band Saw. also I wasn't too happy
about the loose fence on the PC 557.

I don't need a metallurgy degree to know which brands to
avoid in the future. There's no need to get so wrapped up
in the minutiae of the problem; all's necessary is a general
like or dislike of a tool. I'm footing the bill for my
tools; I'm using MY tools; you aren't. I'll condemn what I
find is substandard. I won't make the mistake of purchasing
the same brand. that would be counterproductive.

can we NOW lay this to rest? I know how difficult it is for
anyone involved in an online disagreement to miss out on
having the last word, so be advised, here and now, that no
matter what you respond with, I'm not entertaining any
further questions, nor will I comment on your comments. Not
to be rude. just to put this to rest. YOU GET THE LAST WORD!



Here is a quote from you: "In other words, you couldn't
substantiate your claim whatsoever, but you weren't
willing to retract it. That's not right, man."

Tell me how that squares with the later statement that you
aren't trying to prove me wrong, when you wrote, "Neither
is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong,"

When we meet in a new thread, can we start off fresh?

Remember, I'm not responding, so just have your say.



dave

Jim Wilson wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>
>>all it was was one man's experience, followed by others who
>>had a similar experience.
>
>
> Don't you wish! You just can't, or don't want to, remember what really
> happened, huh? Google could help, if you seriously wanted to refresh your
> memory. Don't you remember anyone saying that their experience DID NOT
> match yours? There were folks with both good AND bad experiences.
>
>
>>If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't
>>you think I would have said so??
>
>
> I never questioned whether your chisels performed satisfactorily. I
> believe you when you say they did not. In fact, I assumed in writing that
> you were accurately relaying your experience. (Go ahead, double check
> what I wrote.)
>
> But then you claimed Marples "now suck" due to the "softness of the metal
> they are currently using." That's a whole different thing, and it's an
> incredible statement. If it were true, it would be big news indeed. So, I
> asked you to back up your assertion and suggested that if you couldn't,
> you should avail yourself of the opportunity to graciously retract it.
> But all you could say was that the "proof was in the pudding." In other
> words, you couldn't substantiate your claim whatsoever, but you weren't
> willing to retract it. That's not right, man.
>
> You seem to be having a problem drawing rational conclusions from what
> you experience. It is not reasonable to conclude what you did about the
> Marples chisels based on your experience with them, even -- especially --
> considering what others have written regarding their experiences. Neither
> is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong," or engage in
> "assassination" of your character because I called you on a bogus claim.
> It would be much more sensible to conclude that you made an error. You
> could *at least* call the manufacturer and ask. Heck, you said you're no
> expert in metallurgy. Just admit that you don't know why your chisels
> failed, but they did. There's no shame in that. Stop trying to generalize
> your experience beyond what it is. You simply don't know more than that.
>
>
>>That's your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME,
>>instead of merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at
>>hand.
>
>
> No, Dave, that's not my problem. My problem is I gave you the benefit of
> the doubt. I tried too hard to get you to understand something that, for
> whatever reason, you stubbornly refuse to see.
>
>
>>...Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll stop projecting.
>
>
> Hmm. A psychological term. Why don't you print out all the posts between
> you and me regarding this whole discussion. Show them to a psychologist
> (a real, expert psychologist), and ask him or her if I'm projecting.
> While you're at it, ask them if you are. Ok?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jim
>
> P.S. I sincerely (no joking) apologize to you, Bay Area Dave, for the
> trouble I've caused you in this discussion. I'll stop.

all it was was one man's experience, followed by others who
had a similar experience. you just can't believe it, that's
all. If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't
you think I would have said so?? I'm certainly known as an
occasional Sears basher, but note my comments on the sears
chisels. I just call 'em as I see 'em. You don't have to
agree with my experience but there's no need for character
assassination while discussing the disagreement. That's
your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME, instead
of merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at
hand...Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll stop projecting.

dave

Jim Wilson wrote:

> Dave Balderstone wrote...
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Greg
>>Millen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower quality
>>>steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent attempt to reduce
>>>costs after a recent takeover, management bought a large amount of steel in
>>>the form of recycled burnishers from a Canadian tool manufacturer.
>>>
>>>In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted to having
>>>acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.
>
>
> Suddenly everything's clear!
>
>
>>You're a week late, Greg...
>
>
> A delay no doubt due to closed-door strategy sessions of the board after
> BAD's shocking exposé. At least they decided to 'fess up. Minimize the PR
> damage they would otherwise suffer from trying to cover it up. Tylenol
> showed the way. Now all they have to do is implement the recall.
>
> Appreciate the scoop, Greg.
>
> BAD, I was utterly wrong. Please, accept my apology. I promise not to
> question your authority again.
>
> Humbly yours,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <disclaimer for the humor impaired: yes, I'm joking>

Henry E Schaffer wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>> In a recent news coup, Marples admitted to have been using lower
>>> quality steel in the production of their chisels. In an apparent
>>> attempt to reduce costs after a recent takeover, management bought
>>> a large amount of steel in the form of recycled burnishers from a
>>> Canadian tool manufacturer.
>>>
>>> In a follow-up interview, the Canadian tool manufacturer admitted
>>> to having acquired some cheap steel from the Delta Bandsaw division.
>>
>> In an interview with the president of the Canadian tool manufacturer:
>> "because the bandsaw blade sides were quite good, we thought this
>> side
>> strenghth would make for excellent burnishers. Apparently, our
>> burnisher sides were not hard at all. But we never saw problems with
>> the ends of either the bandsaws or the burnishers, so the steel could
>> be suitable for chisels, an application where the strength on the
>> sides isn't as critical as the strength and cutting ability at the
>> end
>> of the tool."
>
> Steel that hardens on the end, but not the sides? Does this make
> sense to anyone?

Henry - you've been had.
--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Bay Area Dave wrote...
> all it was was one man's experience, followed by others who
> had a similar experience.

Don't you wish! You just can't, or don't want to, remember what really
happened, huh? Google could help, if you seriously wanted to refresh your
memory. Don't you remember anyone saying that their experience DID NOT
match yours? There were folks with both good AND bad experiences.

> If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't
> you think I would have said so??

I never questioned whether your chisels performed satisfactorily. I
believe you when you say they did not. In fact, I assumed in writing that
you were accurately relaying your experience. (Go ahead, double check
what I wrote.)

But then you claimed Marples "now suck" due to the "softness of the metal
they are currently using." That's a whole different thing, and it's an
incredible statement. If it were true, it would be big news indeed. So, I
asked you to back up your assertion and suggested that if you couldn't,
you should avail yourself of the opportunity to graciously retract it.
But all you could say was that the "proof was in the pudding." In other
words, you couldn't substantiate your claim whatsoever, but you weren't
willing to retract it. That's not right, man.

You seem to be having a problem drawing rational conclusions from what
you experience. It is not reasonable to conclude what you did about the
Marples chisels based on your experience with them, even -- especially --
considering what others have written regarding their experiences. Neither
is it sensible to conclude that I want to "prove you wrong," or engage in
"assassination" of your character because I called you on a bogus claim.
It would be much more sensible to conclude that you made an error. You
could *at least* call the manufacturer and ask. Heck, you said you're no
expert in metallurgy. Just admit that you don't know why your chisels
failed, but they did. There's no shame in that. Stop trying to generalize
your experience beyond what it is. You simply don't know more than that.

> That's your problem, Jim; you can't keep from bashing ME,
> instead of merely offering a differing opinion on the subject at
> hand.

No, Dave, that's not my problem. My problem is I gave you the benefit of
the doubt. I tried too hard to get you to understand something that, for
whatever reason, you stubbornly refuse to see.

>...Maybe when you grow up a bit, you'll stop projecting.

Hmm. A psychological term. Why don't you print out all the posts between
you and me regarding this whole discussion. Show them to a psychologist
(a real, expert psychologist), and ask him or her if I'm projecting.
While you're at it, ask them if you are. Ok?

Cheers!

Jim

P.S. I sincerely (no joking) apologize to you, Bay Area Dave, for the
trouble I've caused you in this discussion. I'll stop.

could you be ANY more irritating?

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>no problem. Jim hasn't availed himself of my offer...
>
>
> Wow - guess your irony meter is busted again, eh?
>
>
>>Rick Chamberlain wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>[email protected] says...
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>YOU GET THE LAST WORD!
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Dave, I needed a good laugh this morning.
>>
>>
>

no problem. Jim hasn't availed himself of my offer...

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> <snip>
>
>
>>YOU GET THE LAST WORD!
>
>
> Thanks Dave, I needed a good laugh this morning.

In article <[email protected]>,
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

> If I had bought a Marples and it performed well, don't
> you think I would have said so??

In fairness...though the four chisel set was returned for "bending" I
have yet to find the same problem with my 2". Perhaps they came from
different batches of steel. I like the handle so will keep using it and
know the Depot will take it back.

Condi Rice: Masters from Notre Dame. Protege of Joseph Korbel. Adjunct
of the Anti-Christ...traitor to the American People.
--
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404/626-2840