As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
anyone have a site they can recommend. Thanks, JG
Hee hee!
I use the built in color sync profiles so all my colors from the digital
camera, to the monitor, then off to the printer are very well matched 8^)
As one poster pointed out though if you don't have complete control of the
chain from colored object to final print, you don't "really" know the true
color of the object (as with web page color sample charts)
-Bruce
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:41:12 -0700, Silvan wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):
> Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>>> two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
>>> set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
>>
>> That's the 'cheap hardware' effect. <grin>
>
> Well, "cheap" is relative. You have to get into $BIGNUM pro stuff to avoid
> the problem. My monitor is somewhere in that broad spectrum of stuff
> between "cheap" and $BIGNUM. :)
>
>> Many "serious" color display systems (card _and_ monitor) -- i.e. ones
>> where you're talking costs in the US$1500 and up range, do have
>
> Right. I'm sure the OP and everyone else on the Wreck has one, and I'm the
> only one suffering without. :)
>
>
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:58:06 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Thou needst a copy of Adobe Photoshop, sir. It comest with a proggy
>> which allowests thee to set the color true!
>
>A) It's extremely expensive.
Ain't dat de effin' trufe?
>B) They don't have a Linux version.
True. Hmmm, does GIMP have anything like that yet?
>C) I got rid of my money sucking POS color printer a long time ago anyway,
>and got a good B&W laser. It doesn't care what color is on-screen.
>Everything comes out black, gray, or white.
Newp, just black. We create grays in our minds from the dots,
and the white is the paper. </absolute literalism>
OBWW: I wonder what color program they use for the photography
used for the fake wood floors like Pergo and Bruce.
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In article <[email protected]>,
JGS <[email protected]> wrote:
>As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
>something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
>gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
>under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
>anyone have a site they can recommend. Thanks, JG
>
Anything you find on-line will be a "rough approximation" of what you'll
actually get on wood, *AT*BEST*.
Different video cards in the computer will render colors differently.
Different monitors, hooked up to the _same_ video card, will show different
results.
The same monitor will show colors differently, depending on things like
the 'brightness', 'contrast', and 'color temperature' settings, among others.
This is *without* considering any inaccuracies that may have crept in to the
_making_ of the images.
JGS asks:
>As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
>something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
>gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
>under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
>anyone have a site they can recommend.
AFAIK, you can only get the most general idea of any stain's coloring from a
chart. Change woods, say from red oak to alder to maple, and you get 3 quite
different results. They'll have the same base color, but the final results will
be entirely different. Too, when you add a finish to that stain, you again
change the color.
Again, AFAIK, the only really acceptable method of checking exact finish color
is to make up a sample using the same wood you'll use in the project. Smarter
pros do this in a large enough piece that you can mark the application and date
on the back of the piece, twice, then cut it in half and send the sample home
with the customer.
Pick the color you want, roughly, from a chart such as the one Lee Valley has,
but never forget that it is a rough estimate of what the final color will be.
That said, try www.ugl.com for some results of their interior stains.
www.homesteadfinishing.com also shows stains and dyes of several types,
including the Bartley gel stains.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>>>two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
>>>set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
>>
>> That's the 'cheap hardware' effect. <grin>
>
>Well, "cheap" is relative. You have to get into $BIGNUM pro stuff to avoid
>the problem. My monitor is somewhere in that broad spectrum of stuff
>between "cheap" and $BIGNUM. :)
>
>> Many "serious" color display systems (card _and_ monitor) -- i.e. ones
>> where you're talking costs in the US$1500 and up range, do have
>
>Right. I'm sure the OP and everyone else on the Wreck has one, and I'm the
>only one suffering without. :)
I *guarantee* that's not true. _I_ don't have one, either.
My color monitor has a 1989 manufacture date on it.
The computer, itself, is somewhat newer.
As you have with LV, you should be able to go to most of the large
manufacturers of stain products and see samples. Minwax for example.
http://www.minwax.com/products/onestep/Polyshades-color.cfm
"JGS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
> something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
> gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
> under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
> anyone have a site they can recommend. Thanks, JG
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>> This is *without* considering any inaccuracies that may have crept in to
>> the _making_ of the images.
>
>Absolutely. I would say the color issue is so much of a problem that any
>online color chart is an utter waste of everyone's time. I can't even get
>two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
>set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
That's the 'cheap hardware' effect. <grin>
Many "serious" color display systems (card _and_ monitor) -- i.e. ones where
you're talking costs in the US$1500 and up range, do have capabilities for
'matching' displayed colors against 'reference' standards. These kind of
subsystems are typically used in commercial printing 'pre press' operations,
and, _when_set_up_right_, "what you see *is* what you get". You can fold a
printed page in half, and hold it against the screen and it's hard to tell
which is 'glass' and which is paper.
http://www.winsornewton.com/index2.php
Click on the Site Map link in the lower right.
On the new window, on the left, scroll down and choose Colour Charts
"JGS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
> something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
> gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
> under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
> anyone have a site they can recommend. Thanks, JG
>
JGS asks:
>
>>As you are well aware, trying to explain to someone the colour of
>>something can be quite difficult. So I am trying to find a site (s) that
>>gives a good rendition of common stain colours. LV has a good selection
>>under it's dye section but the samples are only about 4 mm X 4 mm. Does
>>anyone have a site they can recommend.
Try http://www.wdlockwood.com/
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Robert Bonomi wrote:
> This is *without* considering any inaccuracies that may have crept in to
> the _making_ of the images.
Absolutely. I would say the color issue is so much of a problem that any
online color chart is an utter waste of everyone's time. I can't even get
two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
--
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Robert Bonomi wrote:
>>two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
>>set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
>
> That's the 'cheap hardware' effect. <grin>
Well, "cheap" is relative. You have to get into $BIGNUM pro stuff to avoid
the problem. My monitor is somewhere in that broad spectrum of stuff
between "cheap" and $BIGNUM. :)
> Many "serious" color display systems (card _and_ monitor) -- i.e. ones
> where you're talking costs in the US$1500 and up range, do have
Right. I'm sure the OP and everyone else on the Wreck has one, and I'm the
only one suffering without. :)
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:20:54 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>> This is *without* considering any inaccuracies that may have crept in to
>> the _making_ of the images.
>
>Absolutely. I would say the color issue is so much of a problem that any
>online color chart is an utter waste of everyone's time. I can't even get
>two monitors of the same brand with two of the same video cards, with both
>set up exactly the same way, to agree on anything.
Thou needst a copy of Adobe Photoshop, sir. It comest with a proggy
which allowests thee to set the color true!
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> Thou needst a copy of Adobe Photoshop, sir. It comest with a proggy
> which allowests thee to set the color true!
A) It's extremely expensive.
B) They don't have a Linux version.
C) I got rid of my money sucking POS color printer a long time ago anyway,
and got a good B&W laser. It doesn't care what color is on-screen.
Everything comes out black, gray, or white.
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Silvan writes:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Thou needst a copy of Adobe Photoshop, sir. It comest with a proggy
>> which allowests thee to set the color true!
>
>A) It's extremely expensive.
Try PS Elements 2, then. IIRC, mine was about $90.
>B) They don't have a Linux version.
>
Heh.
>C) I got rid of my money sucking POS color printer a long time ago anyway,
>and got a good B&W laser. It doesn't care what color is on-screen.
>Everything comes out black, gray, or white.
Sort of like the recent, and depressing, weather in the MOV.
Charlie Self
"Man is a reasoning rather than a reasonable animal."
Alexander Hamilton
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html