No more about Borderliners.
I am trrying to come up with a good design for tool positioning in my shop.
Anyone who has a shop set up probably has an idea about what should go where
and why. Post them here so I can figure out a good arrangement.
I've got:
A 19 x 22 foot building. But I have already put in some benches (that can
be changed). Along the short wall, I have erected a 1/4 inch thich perf
board for hanging tools that runs the entire width of the building. I put
the bottom of the board at 39" abover the floor and it runs corner to
corner.
Just beneath the perf board in the center, I have a 4 x 8' plywood table
made of two sheets of 1/2" plywood doubled to 1" for strength. This table
is arranged with the short end against the wall of the building and the long
side protruding 8' into the area. To each side of this table are i 28" wide
doubled 1/2" plywood work surfaces, each is 5' long so I have a "T"
arrangement. with the cross part of the T against the back wall and the 4 x
8 table being the vertical.
Along the right wall (looking toward the perf board, are 4 former bookcases.
These were 4' x 4' and I stacked them by twos so I have, in effect, an 8 x 8
foot block of shelves. Beside the shelves is another plywood work surface
28" x 5 feet. Over that work syrface is a smaller book case mounted two
feet above the work surface and fitted with a fluorescent fixture
underneath. To the right of this is a 5 foot open space and the last 4 feet
to the front of the building is a stock bin 4 x 5 feet.
My Delta 350drill press is mounted on a plywood work surface attached to the
wall two feet to the right of the stock bin.
Everything else is either junk to go or open space. I want to either redo
the entire arrangement or modify what I have done to accommodate:
2 ten inch miter saws (one is a combination)
1 10" Ryobi BT3100 table saw
1 10" radial arm saw
1 scroll saw
1 8" bench grinder (the Delta kind with two wheels)
1 bench sander (with a belt and disc)
1 6 1/8 planer-jointer on a stand. Weghs about 210 pounds.
Other tools are cabinet storable portables. But, I may buy more bigger
things later. Who knows?
I am considering putting everything on wheels that might be used outside (no
air conditioning and it's getting hot in NC). I figure the table saw and
the planer-jointer, at least. I can also just put up a temporary table and
take the miter saw out.
I have one regular door at the front with a ramp (no steps) up to the
entrance. I am considering a wide double door on the left wall (looking
toward the back wall with the perf board) with a deck for working outside.
So, anyone have any good ideas about how to arrange or rearrange stuff?
Agkistrodon
You can check out my website for a few ideas.
www.the-wildings.com/shop/
Click on the "Shop layout" button.
A few of the things I am very happy with:
Several smaller workbenchs near each other rather than one giant bench that
you can't reach across.
Dust producing machines arrayed around the dust collector.
Built-in shelves cover many of the walls. (They were already there when I
bought the shop)
A big door you can open on nice days.
A shop rocking chair. (For when you just need to sit down and think.)
Let me know if you have any questions.
Joe in Denver
my woodworking website:
http://www.the-wildings.com/shop/
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No more about Borderliners.
>
> I am trrying to come up with a good design for tool positioning in my
shop.
> Anyone who has a shop set up probably has an idea about what should go
where
> and why. Post them here so I can figure out a good arrangement.
>
> I've got:
>
> A 19 x 22 foot building. But I have already put in some benches (that can
> be changed). Along the short wall, I have erected a 1/4 inch thich perf
> board for hanging tools that runs the entire width of the building. I put
> the bottom of the board at 39" abover the floor and it runs corner to
> corner.
>
> Just beneath the perf board in the center, I have a 4 x 8' plywood table
> made of two sheets of 1/2" plywood doubled to 1" for strength. This table
> is arranged with the short end against the wall of the building and the
long
> side protruding 8' into the area. To each side of this table are i 28"
wide
> doubled 1/2" plywood work surfaces, each is 5' long so I have a "T"
> arrangement. with the cross part of the T against the back wall and the 4
x
> 8 table being the vertical.
>
> Along the right wall (looking toward the perf board, are 4 former
bookcases.
> These were 4' x 4' and I stacked them by twos so I have, in effect, an 8 x
8
> foot block of shelves. Beside the shelves is another plywood work surface
> 28" x 5 feet. Over that work syrface is a smaller book case mounted two
> feet above the work surface and fitted with a fluorescent fixture
> underneath. To the right of this is a 5 foot open space and the last 4
feet
> to the front of the building is a stock bin 4 x 5 feet.
>
> My Delta 350drill press is mounted on a plywood work surface attached to
the
> wall two feet to the right of the stock bin.
>
> Everything else is either junk to go or open space. I want to either redo
> the entire arrangement or modify what I have done to accommodate:
>
> 2 ten inch miter saws (one is a combination)
>
> 1 10" Ryobi BT3100 table saw
>
> 1 10" radial arm saw
>
> 1 scroll saw
>
> 1 8" bench grinder (the Delta kind with two wheels)
>
> 1 bench sander (with a belt and disc)
>
> 1 6 1/8 planer-jointer on a stand. Weghs about 210 pounds.
>
> Other tools are cabinet storable portables. But, I may buy more bigger
> things later. Who knows?
>
> I am considering putting everything on wheels that might be used outside
(no
> air conditioning and it's getting hot in NC). I figure the table saw and
> the planer-jointer, at least. I can also just put up a temporary table
and
> take the miter saw out.
>
> I have one regular door at the front with a ramp (no steps) up to the
> entrance. I am considering a wide double door on the left wall (looking
> toward the back wall with the perf board) with a deck for working outside.
>
> So, anyone have any good ideas about how to arrange or rearrange stuff?
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
With the exception of a good solid, stationary workbench, get
everything else on wheels - you ARE going to rearrange things.
With the exception of the table saw the rest of the "stationary"
equiptment can stay up against the wall when not in use. Also
makes cleaning up behind things easier. Keep as much space
around the workbench as possible.
Ditch the peg board and skin the walls with 3/4" OSB, or better
yet, plywood. You'll then be able to hang things anywhere you
want. Peg board is very attractive to spiders and other
critters. And no matter what types of peg board hooks you
use stuff will fall off the pegboard - behind or under something
heavy. Peg board isn't typically available in white -
having white walls will help make the shop brighter by
reflecting light - and more light is almost always better.
Go with wall hanging cabinets, preferably with doors deep
enough to hold tools, mainly hand tools (you will find the
need for hand tools and they'll multiply like rabbets).
Go with surface mounted electrical - easier to change/
extend. Put a 110V quad outlet over the workbench,
towards on end. Tripping on, or limboing under pwere
cords is a PITA.
Put the circuit breaker near the door so you can cut the
power in an emergency - or if you have kids around who
might try to use your stuff without your hovering super-
vision, makes it a little more difficult for them to get in
trouble.
If you're going to work outside put a dust collector port
outside - a driveway or back yard covered in the
blizzard a jointer, planer or drum sander puts out
will not be attractive - especially to any woman in
or around the household. Better yet, put the dust
collector outside - along with the compressor you're
going to get somewhere down the line.
For operations that require seeing where you're going
to cut or drill, get the table up where you can see
things without bending over. And put a goose neck
or similar positionable task light where you can
get good light where you need it.
Here's my shop layout, click on things for pictures
and descriptions. Check out the wall hanging tool
cabinets - particularly the right one. Then imagine
how much peg board wall space would be needed
for all the tools in it.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/ShopMap.html
Have fun laying out your shop - you will do it again
somewhere down the road.
charlie b
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No more about Borderliners.
>
> I am trrying to come up with a good design for tool positioning in my
shop.
> Anyone who has a shop set up probably has an idea about what should go
where
> and why. Post them here so I can figure out a good arrangement.
>
> SNIP
Agki,
You will find that what other people have will not be as usefull as you
think. The reason is that their tool inventory, size of tools, door/window
openings and shop size will not duplicate your shop. The type and size of
materials will not be the same in your shop as another. Basic layout is
pretty simple though, the main layout should follow work flow. That is when
you off load those large pieces of wood you don't want to carry them around
all the equipment or worse yet over or have to carry it all the way into the
back of the shop. Likewise you don't want to have to carry them all the way
back across the shop again to start working with them. If you don't work
with large sheet goods or long boards then your layout will reflect that in
the design. The tools should be placed to reflect the milling of the wood
from raw to finished. And, don't forget you don't want your finished piece
(sometimes large) to be in some corner that you can't get it out of without
moving a bunch of you tools.
So here is the best way I have found to layout any floor plan. Measure every
one of your floor tools, benches, chairs, etc. Make sure you measure out to
the farthest point of the piece so that would include handles, outfeeds,
etc. On a piece of quad paper (that is paper that is lined with 1/4" x 1/4"
squares) draw a rectangle, square, or circle the reduced size of your
equipment. Each square will equal 1 foot square. You can get paper that has
smaller squares if you don't want to paste the quad paper together if your
layout is to big. Lable and cut out the paper equipment. On another piece of
paper draw an outline of the inside of your shop showing where all the
doors, windows, waterheaters, washer/dryer, etc. that are in your workshop
are located. Now you are ready to start putting the puzzel together. It may
help if you put a small piece of double sided tape on the back of the tool
drawings so they will stay where you put them. It is a simple process that
will give you all kinds of ideas. There may be more then one way to lay it
out. But what every way you lay it out will fit your needs as long as you
think of all the things you want to do in your shop.
Good luck and have fun with it. You'll see you will be happier with the
layout and you will probably find that you will have to make fewer changes
along the way because it will work from the beginning.
Roy
charlie b wrote:
> With the exception of a good solid, stationary workbench, get
> everything else on wheels - you ARE going to rearrange things.
> With the exception of the table saw the rest of the "stationary"
> equiptment can stay up against the wall when not in use. Also
> makes cleaning up behind things easier. Keep as much space
> around the workbench as possible.
>
> Ditch the peg board and skin the walls with 3/4" OSB, or better
> yet, plywood. You'll then be able to hang things anywhere you
> want. Peg board is very attractive to spiders and other
> critters. And no matter what types of peg board hooks you
> use stuff will fall off the pegboard - behind or under something
> heavy. Peg board isn't typically available in white -
> having white walls will help make the shop brighter by
> reflecting light - and more light is almost always better.
FWIW, I just happened to notice in passing that the local Borg has white
pegboard in 4x8 sheets. If somebody hadn't been loading one onto a cart
while I was passing by I'd probably never have noticed, but white pegboard
is unusual enough to stick in my mind.
> Go with wall hanging cabinets, preferably with doors deep
> enough to hold tools, mainly hand tools (you will find the
> need for hand tools and they'll multiply like rabbets).
>
> Go with surface mounted electrical - easier to change/
> extend. Put a 110V quad outlet over the workbench,
> towards on end. Tripping on, or limboing under pwere
> cords is a PITA.
>
> Put the circuit breaker near the door so you can cut the
> power in an emergency - or if you have kids around who
> might try to use your stuff without your hovering super-
> vision, makes it a little more difficult for them to get in
> trouble.
>
> If you're going to work outside put a dust collector port
> outside - a driveway or back yard covered in the
> blizzard a jointer, planer or drum sander puts out
> will not be attractive - especially to any woman in
> or around the household. Better yet, put the dust
> collector outside - along with the compressor you're
> going to get somewhere down the line.
If you do that though, give them appropriate protection from weather,
climate, and vandals.
> For operations that require seeing where you're going
> to cut or drill, get the table up where you can see
> things without bending over. And put a goose neck
> or similar positionable task light where you can
> get good light where you need it.
>
> Here's my shop layout, click on things for pictures
> and descriptions. Check out the wall hanging tool
> cabinets - particularly the right one. Then imagine
> how much peg board wall space would be needed
> for all the tools in it.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/ShopMap.html
>
> Have fun laying out your shop - you will do it again
> somewhere down the road.
>
> charlie b
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Having benches and tools that you can initially move around will be
helpful. Until you actually start working in the shop, you'll quickly
learn there are better arrangement of benches and tools. Basically, I
have my table saw in the area where there is lots of room around it,
and the jointer is close by the table saw (these two machines work
together). A sharpening station is best positioned where there is
natural light, if you have it. Having tool holders and cabinets near
the workbench will help keep the bench free of clutter (maybe). A
chop saw against the longest wall makes sense. The DC in an used
corner. Fire extinguisher near the door. Clamping station is near the
assembly workbench. Lumber/jigs storage can be most anywhere. Air
cleaner is in the middle of the shop. Take a look at several layouts
to get ideas. I still don't have a good place for most of my hand
power tools. I keep my biscuit jointer in its original box, as I
don't use it very often.
In article <[email protected]>,
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
> Better yet, put the dust collector outside
The problem with that is that in the winter, you'll be pumping 600 CFM
(or more) of shop air outside, which means sucking that much make-up air
back in through other vents. That's a lot of cold air to try and
re-heat.