I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
On 1 Jan 2004 19:55:29 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:
>I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
>using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
>or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
>saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
>I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
>When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
>the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
>its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
>this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
>the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
Yes! All you need is a new plug. Take your old one to HD or any
hardware store for a replacement plug (no need to replace the cord
unless it is damaged or worn) It's really cheap and easy to do.
You're kidding. By a plug for 2.48 or a better plug for
2.79 from Home Depot. Cut the old plug off and put the new
on. I agree with Toller, if you can't do that you have no
business operating a table saw.
Ian Dodd wrote:
>
> I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
> using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
> or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
> saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
> I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
> When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
> the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
> its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
> this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
> the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
nuk wrote:
>
> Ian Dodd wrote:
>
> > I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
> > using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
> > or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
> > saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
> > I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
> > When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
> > the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
> > its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
> > this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
> > the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
>
> Ummm... yes, you should be concerned about it. The ground prong is
> there for safety reasons. Now, the world's not going to end if you
> don't have it, but it is there to protect you should something
> accidentally ground out inside the saw. Hopefully the electricity will
> take the easiest path back to ground via the ground wire, instead of
> thru you.
>
> As far as calling someone to replace it... ye gads man, are you telling
> me you've never replaced a plug on an extension cord in your life? Snip
> off the existing plug an inch or so back, take it to the hardware store,
> and get one that matches. Some even come w/ directions in the box.
> Usually they are a little bulkier and aren't as pretty, but they work
> fine, all day long. If you really need help with it, I'd say call an
> electrician, or even a handyman service, and explain that you've never
> done it before, and need someone to do it for you and hopefully have
> them show you how. About a 5-10 minute job, and if they charge by the
> hour... ouch. Better safe than sorry, though, I guess.
>
> HTH,
>
> nuk
As a practical matter, if the person is worried about the
plug, one can get a cord with a molded plug and just replace
the whole cord.
One problem, especially working with 12 gage stranded wire,
is how do you put the stuff under screws without cutting
some of the strands. I would tin the stripped length
lightly and then bend it, but you aren't suppose to put
soldered (which is tinned) wire under a screw as it compress
and eventually loosens. Do people use brass or copper
sleeves compressed on the strands. I suppose you could use
a spade compression fitting. It isn't a problem in some
plugs, like I just bought, but it is a problem with wiring
outlets.
It usually isn't the plug that is the problem it is the
receptacle which normally doesn't have a screwhead large
enough to handle 12 g stranded wire.
Greg wrote:
>
> >One problem, especially working with 12 gage stranded wire,
> >is how do you put the stuff under screws without cutting
> >some of the strands.
>
> The better plugs use a captive washer and plate that clamps the wire instead of
> just runing it under a screw.
Fri, Jan 2, 2004, 6:35am (EST+5) [email protected]
(George=A0E.=A0Cawthon) claims:
<snip> One problem, especially working with 12 gage stranded wire, is
how do you put the stuff under screws without cutting some of the
strands. <snip>
I just use my fingers, and twist 'em. No prob.
JOAT
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Anthony Diodati wrote:
>
> "George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > You're kidding. By a plug for 2.48 or a better plug for
> > 2.79 from Home Depot. Cut the old plug off and put the new
> > on. I agree with Toller, if you can't do that you have no
> > business operating a table saw.
>
> Well I agree it's easy to change a plug, I don't think that means you can't
> operate a table saw.
> Tony D.
You have it backwards from what we said! If it is so easy
to change a plug and you can't do it, how would you do
something more difficult like adjusting a saw, aligning the
fence, etc.?
Thanks, guys, for all the responses to my query about fixing the plug
on my table saw.
The snide comments about my abilities to use the saw if I couldn't
change the plug end were especially helpful.
But a genuine nod of apprecation to those of you who took the time to
answer my question earnestly and assist me to fix the problem myself.
Of course I was capable of fixing it with a little instruction. I bet
some of you guys even had to have somebody show you the first time how
to change the oil in your car. But did that keep you from driving it
until you learned?
Call me crazy, but I've always been just a little skittish around
electricity ever since I watched a friend arc himself to the emergency
room (after we put out the fire on his head). For me there's just
something about not really understanding it and being able to see it
that makes me nervous. I can see a spinning saw blade, understand how
it cuts, and watch to keep my fingers well clear. Not the same with
live current.
In the end, no real offense taken. Thanks again to those of you who
helped me out. If I can ever return the favor. . .
Ian
Ian Dodd wrote:
> I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
> using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
> or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
> saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
> I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
> When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
> the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
> its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
> this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
> the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
Ummm... yes, you should be concerned about it. The ground prong is
there for safety reasons. Now, the world's not going to end if you
don't have it, but it is there to protect you should something
accidentally ground out inside the saw. Hopefully the electricity will
take the easiest path back to ground via the ground wire, instead of
thru you.
As far as calling someone to replace it... ye gads man, are you telling
me you've never replaced a plug on an extension cord in your life? Snip
off the existing plug an inch or so back, take it to the hardware store,
and get one that matches. Some even come w/ directions in the box.
Usually they are a little bulkier and aren't as pretty, but they work
fine, all day long. If you really need help with it, I'd say call an
electrician, or even a handyman service, and explain that you've never
done it before, and need someone to do it for you and hopefully have
them show you how. About a 5-10 minute job, and if they charge by the
hour... ouch. Better safe than sorry, though, I guess.
HTH,
nuk
Greg wrote:
> You can just buy a heavy duty plug at the borg. Buy a nice one and it should
> last forever. Be sure you get the black wire on the brass screw. White goes to
> the silver screw and the green is the ground.
i.e.
Black on brass
White on brite
Ground on green
Simple little way to remember.
HTH,
nuk
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You're kidding. By a plug for 2.48 or a better plug for
> 2.79 from Home Depot. Cut the old plug off and put the new
> on. I agree with Toller, if you can't do that you have no
> business operating a table saw.
Well I agree it's easy to change a plug, I don't think that means you can't
operate a table saw.
Tony D.
In article <[email protected]>,
George E. Cawthon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>As a practical matter, if the person is worried about the
>plug, one can get a cord with a molded plug and just replace
>the whole cord.
> ...
But that brings up the problem of working on the other end - which is
often more trouble than replacing the plug.
--
--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu
Do not plug that saw in w/o replacing plug. If you're not sure how to
wire it then cut off the plug with a bit of the original cord
attached, go get a new plug(best quality available), and wire it by
looking at old plug.
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:47:06 GMT, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1 Jan 2004 19:55:29 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:
>
>>I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
>>using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
>>or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
>>saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
>>I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
>>When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
>>the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
>>its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
>>this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
>>the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
>
>
>Yes! All you need is a new plug. Take your old one to HD or any
>hardware store for a replacement plug (no need to replace the cord
>unless it is damaged or worn) It's really cheap and easy to do.
I like your attitude. This group is about sharing and learning,
right?? Jay
On 5 Jan 2004 15:58:02 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:
>Thanks, guys, for all the responses to my query about fixing the plug
>on my table saw.
>
>The snide comments about my abilities to use the saw if I couldn't
>change the plug end were especially helpful.
>
>But a genuine nod of apprecation to those of you who took the time to
>answer my question earnestly and assist me to fix the problem myself.
>
>Of course I was capable of fixing it with a little instruction. I bet
>some of you guys even had to have somebody show you the first time how
>to change the oil in your car. But did that keep you from driving it
>until you learned?
>
>Call me crazy, but I've always been just a little skittish around
>electricity ever since I watched a friend arc himself to the emergency
>room (after we put out the fire on his head). For me there's just
>something about not really understanding it and being able to see it
>that makes me nervous. I can see a spinning saw blade, understand how
>it cuts, and watch to keep my fingers well clear. Not the same with
>live current.
>
>In the end, no real offense taken. Thanks again to those of you who
>helped me out. If I can ever return the favor. . .
>
>Ian
Ian Dodd wrote:
>
> Of course I was capable of fixing it with a little instruction. I bet
> some of you guys even had to have somebody show you the first time how
> to change the oil in your car. But did that keep you from driving it
> until you learned?
Around here prepubescents aren't allowed to drive.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
"Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a paranoid stickler for unplugging my table saw whenever I'm not
> using it (on its mobile base in the driveway), changing blade height
> or angle, taking a phone call, etc. As a result, the power cord on my
> saw probably takes a lot more abuse than most people's. The other day
> I unplugged it while I had to go inside the house for a few minutes.
> When I pulled the end out of the outlet, it left the grounding plug in
> the outlet! I was able to extract it, but now my power cord is minus
> its grounding prong. Two questions: should I be very concerned about
> this, and where do I look in the yellow pages for a place to repair
> the cord on an induction motor? Thanks.
Assuming for the moment you are serious...
Its not a big deal, but a new plug costs about $5. Cut the old one off,
strip the wires, and stick the new one on. If you need to hire some to do
it, you should not be using a table saw.
And I see your point too. I've got a friend that goes hang gliding and
skydiving, but he cringes with fear every time his tablesaw gets turned on.
Don't why he bought the thing in the first place. It only gets used when I
go over there and use it myself.
"Anthony Diodati" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yea I see you'r point in a way, but some folks just dont "do electric" No
> Way/Shape or Form :>)
Sorry Robert, but your career as a comic isn't doing too well. Hope you
haven't given up your day job. :)
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
<[email protected]>,
> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >And I see your point too. I've got a friend that goes hang gliding and
> >skydiving, but he cringes with fear every time his tablesaw gets turned
on.
> >Don't why he bought the thing in the first place. It only gets used when
I
> >go over there and use it myself.
>
> Well, *no*wonder* he cringes with fear -- *YOU'RE* using it!!
>
>
> *snicker*
>
>
> [ You leave the door open _that_ wide, and somebody *is* going to drive
the
> truck through it. ;) ]
Yea I see you'r point in a way, but some folks just dont "do electric" No
Way/Shape or Form :>)
Tony
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It might have been a little critical, but I'd have to agree. Looking at
the
> old plug would give enough information to wire a new one. The safe
operation
> of a tablesaw is infinitely more difficult than the wiring of a power
plug.
>>snip>
In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>And I see your point too. I've got a friend that goes hang gliding and
>skydiving, but he cringes with fear every time his tablesaw gets turned on.
>Don't why he bought the thing in the first place. It only gets used when I
>go over there and use it myself.
Well, *no*wonder* he cringes with fear -- *YOU'RE* using it!!
*snicker*
[ You leave the door open _that_ wide, and somebody *is* going to drive the
truck through it. ;) ]
It might have been a little critical, but I'd have to agree. Looking at the
old plug would give enough information to wire a new one. The safe operation
of a tablesaw is infinitely more difficult than the wiring of a power plug.
"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > If you need to hire some to do
> >it, you should not be using a table saw.
>
> That might be harsh.
> Woodworking doesn't really have much to do with electriity.
Thanks for the "white on brite" ... i always get those confused...
"nuk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg wrote:
>
> > You can just buy a heavy duty plug at the borg. Buy a nice one and it
should
> > last forever. Be sure you get the black wire on the brass screw. White
goes to
> > the silver screw and the green is the ground.
>
> i.e.
>
> Black on brass
> White on brite
> Ground on green
>
> Simple little way to remember.
>
> HTH,
>
> nuk