I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the problem
is I have never wired.
I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The little
details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a small shop
(14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can get in here.
I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that allow me to
turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection, fans, lights,
etc as I leave.
I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater) as well so
need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as well.
Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one and living in
a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not going to
get done.
The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an extra visit
or two to help me out.
I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never had to do
much electrical.
Ralph Morsby
Well I'mnot sure how helpful this will be but when I wired my shed I used a
book by "Creaive Homeowner" called Quick Guide Wiring, 3rd Edition. ISBN
1-880029-83-9. I can't remember where I got it but it might have been the
BORG. The price was $7.95 (slightly higher in Canada).
It is pretty basic an covers all the usual stuff. I liked the fact that it
had pretty good illustrations.
Also, if you live in a small community is there any chance that there is
someone else there who has done their own wiring and can lend you a hand?
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the
problem
> is I have never wired.
> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The little
> details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a small
shop
> (14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can get in
here.
> I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that allow me
to
> turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection, fans,
lights,
> etc as I leave.
> I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater) as well
so
> need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as well.
> Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one and
living in
> a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not going
to
> get done.
> The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an extra
visit
> or two to help me out.
>
> I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never had to
do
> much electrical.
>
> Ralph Morsby
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:31:41 -0800, "Des Perado" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Your local Public Library should have good books on wiring.
>
> Fourteen years old.
>
The basic principals of "hooking A to B" has not really changed
in the past 14 years. Best thing to do would be to check out
an old book to show the basics then buy a code book to
make sure everything is to code.
Nate
--
http://www.NateTechnologies.net:8000
In article <[email protected]>, Ralph
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the
> problem
> is I have never wired.
> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B.
> snip
> Ralph Morsby
There are several sites here covering wiring, check out the Hometime
site first:
http://doit101.com/Home%20Improvement/homeimprove.htm#Electrical
Frank C.
--
http://sawdustmaking.com
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:13:33 GMT, "Ralph" <[email protected]> posted:
>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:53:54 GMT, "Jerry Gilreath" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Well, silly question here. If you understand running your circuits to a main
>>panel, why don't you understand putting in a sub? The only difference is
>>your pulling an extra wire, the feeder wire.
>
>Sub can't touch wood, ten foot grounding rod, etc, etc, etc.
>Most books advise hiring an electrician for this.
I've put in a few - it's very easy and no more difficult than any 2-phase circuit
except the wire's heavier. The 60A breakers are pricey though and often you
get to move some circuits out of the main panel to make room for it. Then you
pay $100 to get it inspected and you've saved yourself $1000. YMMV
N
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:31:41 -0800, "Des Perado" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Your local Public Library should have good books on wiring.
Fourteen years old.
> Also try
>Home Depot or Rona.
I've seen books, but no idea how good they are.
I would like to know the book is up to date and accurate before I put out
$30-40.
The one book Home Depot has I was told by the head of their electrical
department that it was junk.
Rona has none.
Chris. The original poster already told us he has the "Electrical Code
Simplified" book for the province in which he resides.
Rob
-----------------------
"Chris Lewis" wrote ...
> Then you must buy a copy of Knight's "<provincial> electrical code
> simplified".
>
> Available almost everywhere, kept up to date, and < $15.
Your local Public Library should have good books on wiring. Also try
Home Depot or Rona.
Des
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but
the problem
> is I have never wired.
> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The
little
> details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a
small shop
> (14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can
get in here.
> I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that
allow me to
> turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection,
fans, lights,
> etc as I leave.
> I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater)
as well so
> need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as
well.
> Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one
and living in
> a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not
going to
> get done.
> The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an
extra visit
> or two to help me out.
>
> I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never
had to do
> much electrical.
>
> Ralph Morsby
Having been there- done that, twice in five years I offer the following.
Instead of installing a 6 or 8 circuit panel, buy what's called a 'fastpak'.
Local Homedepot have them. Consists of the panel, 100A main brkr,and enough
other brkrs to wire up a minimum house.Room for 24 circuits.
Yes, overkill, but price is BETTER than small panel and breakers. Go figure.
I did the math.
You'll need more circuits later,trust me. I used 21 of the 24 breakers for
just the kitchen reno.5 splits for the counter,3 for lighting,
fridge,stove,wine cooler,etc all have separate breakers. Have NOT had any of
them trip yet.
If your house has breakers, buy the 'fastpak' that has the same mfr of
breakers. Allsow common spares for 'upgrades'. See I told you, you'ld need
more cirsuits !!
jay
A sub-panel that is, not sub contractor.
--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Jerry Gilreath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Srl1c.169810$jk2.618679@attbi_s53...
> Well, silly question here. If you understand running your circuits to a
main
> panel, why don't you understand putting in a sub? The only difference is
> your pulling an extra wire, the feeder wire.
>
> --
> "Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
> They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
> Homer Simpson
> Jerry© The Phoneman®
> "Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:01:24 GMT, "Specter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Ralph. I didn't realize you were planning on putting in a sub panel...
I
> > >was going to do likewise, and found two good sources of info:
> > >
> > I'm trying to get out of installing the sub panel.
> > My shop is actually attached to my home so technically I should need one
> if I
> > don't install electric heat.
> > I can however run a separate 240 cable for a plugin and use a
construction
> > heater that is plugged in not hard wired.
> > I have plenty of room in my main panel.
> > So I may be able to avoid the subpanel and just run 4 20 amp circuits
and
> one
> > 30amp circuit for the heater.
> > This would be my preferred method because this I understand.
> >
> >
> > >The first is a book called Wiring Installation and Maintainance (Home,
> > >Cottage, Industry), by Harold B. Kirchner. My copy dates from 1978, but
> > >there have been more recent editions. As I understand it, this has long
> been
> > >a standard text in Canada. It is excellent - the best book on electical
> I've
> > >ever seen. I love that they include plenty of example circuit diagrams.
> When
> > >I wired my first shop, I had this book nearby at all times.
> > >
> > >My second source of info is a website:
> > >http://home.earthlink.net/~sonnypie/subpanel.htm After reading that
> site,
> > >top to bottom, I had a much more complete picture of what's involved in
> > >putting in a subpanel. The guy who posted it knows his stuff.
> > >
> > >And you already know about the "electrical code simplified" books...
> > >
> > >As I said, I was going to do my own subpanel installation, but I lucked
> out
> > >and found an electrical who specializes in this sort of thing. The guy
> has a
> > >good reputation and reasonable rates. Too bad you don't have anyone
near
> you
> > >that you could rely on.
> > >
> > >Good luck with your project.
> > >
> > >Rob
> > >
> >
>
>
Well, silly question here. If you understand running your circuits to a main
panel, why don't you understand putting in a sub? The only difference is
your pulling an extra wire, the feeder wire.
--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:01:24 GMT, "Specter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Ralph. I didn't realize you were planning on putting in a sub panel... I
> >was going to do likewise, and found two good sources of info:
> >
> I'm trying to get out of installing the sub panel.
> My shop is actually attached to my home so technically I should need one
if I
> don't install electric heat.
> I can however run a separate 240 cable for a plugin and use a construction
> heater that is plugged in not hard wired.
> I have plenty of room in my main panel.
> So I may be able to avoid the subpanel and just run 4 20 amp circuits and
one
> 30amp circuit for the heater.
> This would be my preferred method because this I understand.
>
>
> >The first is a book called Wiring Installation and Maintainance (Home,
> >Cottage, Industry), by Harold B. Kirchner. My copy dates from 1978, but
> >there have been more recent editions. As I understand it, this has long
been
> >a standard text in Canada. It is excellent - the best book on electical
I've
> >ever seen. I love that they include plenty of example circuit diagrams.
When
> >I wired my first shop, I had this book nearby at all times.
> >
> >My second source of info is a website:
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~sonnypie/subpanel.htm After reading that
site,
> >top to bottom, I had a much more complete picture of what's involved in
> >putting in a subpanel. The guy who posted it knows his stuff.
> >
> >And you already know about the "electrical code simplified" books...
> >
> >As I said, I was going to do my own subpanel installation, but I lucked
out
> >and found an electrical who specializes in this sort of thing. The guy
has a
> >good reputation and reasonable rates. Too bad you don't have anyone near
you
> >that you could rely on.
> >
> >Good luck with your project.
> >
> >Rob
> >
>
Ralph. I didn't realize you were planning on putting in a sub panel... I
was going to do likewise, and found two good sources of info:
The first is a book called Wiring Installation and Maintainance (Home,
Cottage, Industry), by Harold B. Kirchner. My copy dates from 1978, but
there have been more recent editions. As I understand it, this has long been
a standard text in Canada. It is excellent - the best book on electical I've
ever seen. I love that they include plenty of example circuit diagrams. When
I wired my first shop, I had this book nearby at all times.
My second source of info is a website:
http://home.earthlink.net/~sonnypie/subpanel.htm After reading that site,
top to bottom, I had a much more complete picture of what's involved in
putting in a subpanel. The guy who posted it knows his stuff.
And you already know about the "electrical code simplified" books...
As I said, I was going to do my own subpanel installation, but I lucked out
and found an electrical who specializes in this sort of thing. The guy has a
good reputation and reasonable rates. Too bad you don't have anyone near you
that you could rely on.
Good luck with your project.
Rob
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:01:24 GMT, "Specter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ralph. I didn't realize you were planning on putting in a sub panel... I
>was going to do likewise, and found two good sources of info:
>
I'm trying to get out of installing the sub panel.
My shop is actually attached to my home so technically I should need one if I
don't install electric heat.
I can however run a separate 240 cable for a plugin and use a construction
heater that is plugged in not hard wired.
I have plenty of room in my main panel.
So I may be able to avoid the subpanel and just run 4 20 amp circuits and one
30amp circuit for the heater.
This would be my preferred method because this I understand.
>The first is a book called Wiring Installation and Maintainance (Home,
>Cottage, Industry), by Harold B. Kirchner. My copy dates from 1978, but
>there have been more recent editions. As I understand it, this has long been
>a standard text in Canada. It is excellent - the best book on electical I've
>ever seen. I love that they include plenty of example circuit diagrams. When
>I wired my first shop, I had this book nearby at all times.
>
>My second source of info is a website:
>http://home.earthlink.net/~sonnypie/subpanel.htm After reading that site,
>top to bottom, I had a much more complete picture of what's involved in
>putting in a subpanel. The guy who posted it knows his stuff.
>
>And you already know about the "electrical code simplified" books...
>
>As I said, I was going to do my own subpanel installation, but I lucked out
>and found an electrical who specializes in this sort of thing. The guy has a
>good reputation and reasonable rates. Too bad you don't have anyone near you
>that you could rely on.
>
>Good luck with your project.
>
>Rob
>
Ralph wrote:
> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the problem
> is I have never wired.
> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The little
> details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a small shop
> (14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can get in here.
> I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that allow me to
> turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection, fans, lights,
> etc as I leave.
> I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater) as well so
> need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as well.
> Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one and living in
> a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not going to
> get done.
> The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an extra visit
> or two to help me out.
>
> I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never had to do
> much electrical.
>
> Ralph Morsby
I can't help with the Canada part, but for the "nice panel of switches" I
recommend a 100A or 125A load center (you don't have to put it on a 100A
circuit, that's just the panel rating) put each tool on it's own breaker
and use the breaker as a switch. Panels that size are cheap. I don't know
if you need a main breaker or not up there.* US code allows up to 6 main
disconnects, and my panel has 6 spaces. I have one 15A breaker for the
lights and garage door opener, one 20A breaker for the 110V outlets, one
20A 2-pole breaker for the air compressor, and a 50A 2-pole breaker for the
welder. The panel is full, but I could change out the two 110V breakers
and put in tandem breakers without exceeding the "6 disconnects" rule
because each 2-pole breaker only counts as one switch. Does that make
sense? If I had more than 6 switches I would have to have a main switch or
breaker, but that's a USA rule. I don't know what its Canada counterpart
is, but look into using a "main lug load center" for your switches by the door.
-Bob
*Might be down there, I'm in S. Minnesota but I'm farther north than
Toronto :-)
According to Ralph <[email protected]>:
> I'm trying to find the very best UP to date book.
Your best bet is to get two books:
A relatively good "how to wire" book to teach wiring techniques. Don't
worry too much about "up to date" (or even Canadian code applicability),
because the techniques have changed little.
Because frankly there's not much in the way of Canadian-specific
technique books, "up to date" or otherwise.
Then you must buy a copy of Knight's "<provincial> electrical code
simplified".
Available almost everywhere, kept up to date, and < $15.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
According to Specter <[email protected]>:
> Chris. The original poster already told us he has the "Electrical Code
> Simplified" book for the province in which he resides.
Oops. Missed that.
In that case, _any_ North American "how to" wiring book will do for
discussion of "how to strip wire" etc. Ie: the Sunset books, Reader's DIgest
DIY book etc.
Just ignore it for the code rules, and rely on Knight always.
As a FYI, Fine Woodworking and Better Homes and Gardens: Wood do
have articles on workshop wiring and suggested setups. Again,
rely on Knight for rules.
In fact, this group has lots of cool suggestions on how to set things
up too.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
According to Ralph <[email protected]>:
> I have to install a new panel in the shop - 60 amp.
> I can't even figure out what type of box.
> Or what is required to get it wired to the main box in the house.
> Then I have to run one 220 circuit off that.
> Most books I've seen get really complicated when you start installing 220.
Most books don't cover subpanels, period.
If you're this far back on the learning curve, I suggest hiring an
electrician to install the subpanel, and then you do the rest. There
are a lot of fiddly details (backer boards, grounding, etc), and some
of the components will be moderately expensive, so mistakes have major
consequences.
You may be able to finesse it, ie: buy the components and drill
the feeder cable holes from the electrician's instructions, and pay
him hourly rate for the instructions and to connect it.
The most time-consuming part is installing the feeder cable.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
According to Ralph <[email protected]>:
> On 2 Mar 2004 14:38:16 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis) wrote:
> >Most books don't cover subpanels, period.
> I'm not looking for most books, I'm looking for one that does.<g>
I don't know of any that do in the detail you want. It's not usually
considered DIY.
> >If you're this far back on the learning curve,
> How do you learn?
Take a course or follow an electrician around. The orange book will
tell you most of what you need to know in terms of rules, but not
at the tutorial level you seem to need.
> >I suggest hiring an
> >electrician to
> Did you read my first post?
I just went back and read it to be sure. Yeah.
That's why I suggested finessing it.
When we had ours done, that's what I did.
I was responsible for getting the trench done. As soon as it was dug[1],
he came over, drilled the holes in the masonry (I paid for the drill by
giving the electrician a case of beer to give to the friend who he borrowed
it from), dropped the cable in the trench, fastened the subpanel up on the
wall, installed the conduit boots and connected the ends. Took less than
two hours.
Got the inspection, then I filled the trench back in.
A few days later, he returned, and we wired up the rest of the garage
(about 18 circuits at that point) working together. Pleasant afternoon,
good company. Learned some tricks of the trade...
$200 labour plus a case of beer plus materials (subpanel + 18 branches)
plus the $100 to get someone else to dig the 100' trench.
Now, that was somewhat special circumstances (he's now a friend of ours and
business was _real_ _slow_ at the time). But if you limit it to the (smaller)
subpanel, you should be able to do as well if not better. Ie: buy the
subpanel the electrician suggests from your planning meeting, and mount it
where and how he tells you.
It pays to tie into the local old-boys network.
[1] "As soon as" is the operative word. The sand here is infamous for
collapsing. Got the trench dug, the machine operator said "oh-oh, it's
caving in already", and I was on the phone to the electrician "we gotta
lay the wire now!" within minutes ;-)
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
According to Ralph <[email protected]>:
> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:53:54 GMT, "Jerry Gilreath" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >Well, silly question here. If you understand running your circuits to a main
> >panel, why don't you understand putting in a sub? The only difference is
> >your pulling an extra wire, the feeder wire.
> Sub can't touch wood, ten foot grounding rod, etc, etc, etc.
Doesn't need a grounding rod if it's in the same building as the main.
> Most books advise hiring an electrician for this.
So do I.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:18:16 -0600, "Nate Weber" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:31:41 -0800, "Des Perado" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Your local Public Library should have good books on wiring.
>>
>> Fourteen years old.
>>
>
>The basic principals of "hooking A to B" has not really changed
>in the past 14 years. Best thing to do would be to check out
>an old book to show the basics then buy a code book to
>make sure everything is to code.
>
I'm trying to find the very best UP to date book.
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:53:54 GMT, "Jerry Gilreath" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Well, silly question here. If you understand running your circuits to a main
>panel, why don't you understand putting in a sub? The only difference is
>your pulling an extra wire, the feeder wire.
Sub can't touch wood, ten foot grounding rod, etc, etc, etc.
Most books advise hiring an electrician for this.
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the
problem
> is I have never wired.
> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The little
> details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a small
shop
> (14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can get in
here.
> I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that allow me
to
> turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection, fans,
lights,
> etc as I leave.
> I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater) as well
so
> need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as well.
> Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one and
living in
> a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not going
to
> get done.
> The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an extra
visit
> or two to help me out.
>
> I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never had to
do
> much electrical.
>
> Ralph Morsby
>
http://homewiringandmore.com/homewiringusa/2002/index.html
On 2 Mar 2004 14:38:16 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>Most books don't cover subpanels, period.
I'm not looking for most books, I'm looking for one that does.<g>
>
>If you're this far back on the learning curve,
How do you learn?
>I suggest hiring an
>electrician to
Did you read my first post?
On 2 Mar 2004 04:11:31 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis)
scribbled:
>According to Specter <[email protected]>:
>> Chris. The original poster already told us he has the "Electrical Code
>> Simplified" book for the province in which he resides.
>
>Oops. Missed that.
>
>In that case, _any_ North American "how to" wiring book will do for
>discussion of "how to strip wire" etc. Ie: the Sunset books, Reader's DIgest
>DIY book etc.
>
>Just ignore it for the code rules, and rely on Knight always.
>
>As a FYI, Fine Woodworking and Better Homes and Gardens: Wood do
>have articles on workshop wiring and suggested setups. Again,
>rely on Knight for rules.
>
>In fact, this group has lots of cool suggestions on how to set things
>up too.
Listen to Chris, he wrote the FAQ on electrical wiring before Al Gore
invented the internet. Chris, how come you don't post it to
rec.woodworking anymore?
Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:30:13 -0600, "Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Well I'mnot sure how helpful this will be but when I wired my shed I used a
>book by "Creaive Homeowner" called Quick Guide Wiring, 3rd Edition. ISBN
>1-880029-83-9. I can't remember where I got it but it might have been the
>BORG. The price was $7.95 (slightly higher in Canada).
>
>It is pretty basic an covers all the usual stuff. I liked the fact that it
>had pretty good illustrations.
>
>Also, if you live in a small community is there any chance that there is
>someone else there who has done their own wiring and can lend you a hand?
Yep, two neighbors offered to help, both did their own wiring. Neither got it
inspected.
Both told me I didn't need the plastic vapor barrier liners behind my boxes.
I decided at that point they weren't going to be all that helpful.
>"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I have the code book simplified and it's pretty straight forward but the
>problem
>> is I have never wired.
>> I need a good up to date book that shows how to hook up A to B. The little
>> details that make up the work. Some tips on the best layout for a small
>shop
>> (14x20) would be nice as well. I know I want as many plugs as I can get in
>here.
>> I also would like a nice panel of switches (6-8) at the door that allow me
>to
>> turn off stuff like compressor, air purification, dust collection, fans,
>lights,
>> etc as I leave.
>> I'm putting in electric heat (simple overhead construction heater) as well
>so
>> need some advice on 220 as well. I may convert my tablesaw to 220 as well.
>> Please don't tell me to talk to an electrician. I can't afford one and
>living in
>> a tiny community doesn't help. If I can't do this on my own it's not going
>to
>> get done.
>> The electrical inspector is a great guy and has offered to make an extra
>visit
>> or two to help me out.
>>
>> I'm a very quick study for most things, it's just that I have never had to
>do
>> much electrical.
>>
>> Ralph Morsby
>
On 2 Mar 2004 16:18:45 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Ralph <[email protected]>:
>> On 2 Mar 2004 14:38:16 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>
>> >Most books don't cover subpanels, period.
>
>> I'm not looking for most books, I'm looking for one that does.<g>
>
>I don't know of any that do in the detail you want. It's not usually
>considered DIY.
>
>> >If you're this far back on the learning curve,
>
>> How do you learn?
>
>Take a course or follow an electrician around. The orange book will
>tell you most of what you need to know in terms of rules, but not
>at the tutorial level you seem to need.
>
>> >I suggest hiring an
>> >electrician to
>
>> Did you read my first post?
>
>I just went back and read it to be sure. Yeah.
>
>That's why I suggested finessing it.
>
>When we had ours done, that's what I did.
>
>I was responsible for getting the trench done. As soon as it was dug[1],
>he came over, drilled the holes in the masonry (I paid for the drill by
>giving the electrician a case of beer to give to the friend who he borrowed
>it from), dropped the cable in the trench, fastened the subpanel up on the
>wall, installed the conduit boots and connected the ends. Took less than
>two hours.
>
>Got the inspection, then I filled the trench back in.
>
>A few days later, he returned, and we wired up the rest of the garage
>(about 18 circuits at that point) working together. Pleasant afternoon,
>good company. Learned some tricks of the trade...
>
>$200 labour plus a case of beer plus materials (subpanel + 18 branches)
>plus the $100 to get someone else to dig the 100' trench.
>
I don't need a trench. All my wiring remains in a building.
>Now, that was somewhat special circumstances (he's now a friend of ours and
>business was _real_ _slow_ at the time). But if you limit it to the (smaller)
>subpanel, you should be able to do as well if not better. Ie: buy the
>subpanel the electrician suggests from your planning meeting, and mount it
>where and how he tells you.
>
>It pays to tie into the local old-boys network.
>
The local old boy network in my community of 1000 are considered to be crooks by
everyone of my neighbors.
From the furnace guy to the gas fitters.
If you don't want to be cheated you get someone from 100 miles away.
Do you know what that costs?
So the local boys charge you the same price.
On 2 Mar 2004 04:11:31 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Specter <[email protected]>:
>> Chris. The original poster already told us he has the "Electrical Code
>> Simplified" book for the province in which he resides.
>
>Oops. Missed that.
>
>In that case, _any_ North American "how to" wiring book will do for
>discussion of "how to strip wire" etc. Ie: the Sunset books, Reader's DIgest
>DIY book etc.
>
Striping wire I can do.
I have to install a new panel in the shop - 60 amp.
I can't even figure out what type of box.
Or what is required to get it wired to the main box in the house.
Then I have to run one 220 circuit off that.
Most books I've seen get really complicated when you start installing 220.
>Just ignore it for the code rules, and rely on Knight always.
>
>As a FYI, Fine Woodworking and Better Homes and Gardens: Wood do
>have articles on workshop wiring and suggested setups. Again,
>rely on Knight for rules.
>
>In fact, this group has lots of cool suggestions on how to set things
>up too.