Treated Lumber for Birdhouses -- REALLY!!!

In article <[email protected]>, Robert E.
Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

> I incorporated an
> experimental bat house design in the lower part, and have yet to see any
> bats nesting in it (I didn't have luck with an earlier cedar bat-house,
> built with plans from Bat Conservation International, either).

I put a bathouse up last year and haven't seen any activity either. I
suspect that the neighborhood is too closed with mature trees for them
and the house isn't either high enough or there are too many trees
around.

djb

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:20:15 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of all
>harmful agents that may threaten our longevity.

And mothers who clean everything and keep the bugs out of the way
of their children are baffled when the same previously bug-free
child comes home every other week from a dirty school with a cold,
flu, etc. Keep your house dirty. Kids will develop antibodies and
WORKING immune systems. Besides, most of those bug killing cleaners
leave toxic films or kill off good bugs in the kids' bodies.

And the medical community overprescribed antibiotics TWENTY MILLION
times last year alone. UPDATE: Medical System now the leading cause
of... http://tinyurl.com/u2jt


>Mother's milk contains the
>same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't figured
>out where to put the warning label.

I will happily lick the receiving area, put a glue-
backed warning label there, and rub it down. Just call me!


> An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
>accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?

Eat Right. Keep Fit. Die Anyway.


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In article <090620042033467685%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca>, Dave
Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Robert E.
> Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I incorporated an
> > experimental bat house design in the lower part, and have yet to see any
> > bats nesting in it (I didn't have luck with an earlier cedar bat-house,
> > built with plans from Bat Conservation International, either).
>
> I put a bathouse up last year and haven't seen any activity either. I
> suspect that the neighborhood is too closed with mature trees for them
> and the house isn't either high enough or there are too many trees
> around.
>
> djb
Dave,
I helped my neighbor put one up last year ( a pre-made one) and the
label on it said even if installed exactly right it may take bats up to
four years to move in.
Allen

In article <100620040722009899%[email protected]>, Allen Epps
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I helped my neighbor put one up last year ( a pre-made one) and the
> label on it said even if installed exactly right it may take bats up to
> four years to move in.

Guess I'll try to be patient, then. <g>

In article <[email protected]>, Robert E.
Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

> ... And I'll save up mosquitoes for them. <G>

They haven't hit in force here yet, thank goodness, but we've not had
significant rain yet (or for the last 4 years, for that matter).

OBWW: The bathouse is made of untreated pine, and colored dark brown
with an outdoor opaque stain.

djb

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:20:15 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of all
> >harmful agents that may threaten our longevity. Mother's milk contains the
> >same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't figured
> >out where to put the warning label.
> >
> > An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
> >accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?
> >
> I feel sorry for your children.
> That is if they're still alive.<g>

Which begs the question... Did your mother have any children that lived, bill?

Indyrose wrote:>And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering
from
>testosterone poisoning.
>

It's makin' me go bald. Tom


Someday, it'll all be over....

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:27:26 GMT, mttt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Indyrose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
>> you, to *those* guys!)
>
> Gott'a admit - who knew that thread would degenerate into a Second Amendment
> Assault Rifles tirade?
> Pretty damned impressive - and only on the wreck...

New to Usenet, eh?

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:28:51 GMT, "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>I keep trying to explain that philosophy to my wife when the kids come home
>from the beach with their pockets full of crabs, clams and limpets.... She
>still looks at me with a deep sideways glance :)

In the case of shellfish, Clorox is a necessity.


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[email protected] (Tom) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Indyrose wrote:>And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering
> from
> >testosterone poisoning.
> >
>
> It's makin' me go bald. Tom

That's funny. It's makin' me hairy everywhere BUT the top of my head....

a couple of years back, I watched a Home Depot employee cut
through an 8x8 PT board INSIDE of the store, around
customers. I brought it to the assistant manager's
attention and he thought it was no big deal. When pressed,
he said that they are supposed to cut the wood ONLY during
non business hours. BTW, there was a huge sign over the saw
stating that they refuse to cut PT wood! :)

I couldn't get any useful response from government agencies
to regulate the cutting of PT wood around the general
public. I expected that HD would be cited, once I contacted
the correct agency. I called ALL of the agencies I thought
would be interested in HD's activities. None would take
responsibility; they kept passing the buck.

dave

[email protected] wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 07:43:35 -0700, [email protected] (Indyrose) wrote:
>
>
>>Com'on guys!
>>
>>I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
>>you, to *those* guys!)
>>
>>My own Hubby was one of the major offenders!
>>
>>Anyway, I got the 4-Her to switch to pine.
>>
>
> What bothered me about most of the on topic responses is everyone was talking
> about danger to the birds.
> I wouldn't want my child working in a room where treated lumber was being cut
> and sanded.
>
> Who knows the long term consequences of breathing that stuff in.
> I won't even burn the stuff outside.
>
>
>>Concensus was to not use treated lumber -- I didn't think it was a
>>good idea, but I didn't want to sound like an environmental nut,
>>either. I wanted to get some facts and experienced opinions to help me
>>out...
>>
>>...And you blew the thread way out of line!
>>
>>And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering from
>>testosterone poisoning.
>>
>>Indyrose
>
>

Swingman mistakenly concluded--"Spoken like a man who anticipates a lot of
years left."

Actually it was spoken like a man who doesn't believe this is the best it
gets.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:22:16 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Bill needlessly expressed his concern by stating-"I feel sorry for your
>children.
>That is if they're still alive.<g>"
>
>Your "<g>" indicates to me this was a lighthearted jest and I assure you
>I've taken it so...... but it has afforded me the opportunity to climb on my
>favorite soapbox.... <big g> Let's play pretend....
>
>Pretend you were capable of removing all harmful agents to your child's
>longevity. Let's keep it semi-realistic and accept the fact that we are
>only talking those agents that can be avoided by choice. Let's pretend that
>they successfully identified every harmful substance known.
>
>What kind of life would that be? Would they live longer but have less to
>enjoy? Would they really be willing to give up everything necessary? Do we
>really want to place that sort of limit on their lives?
>
I actually agree with you.

I think you do the best you can within reason.
Switching from treated lumber to pine sounds reasonable and in no way interferes
in the child's quality of life.

I have to say I was not that great a parent when it came to my child's personal
safety. I was an avid hiker and I took these kids on very dangerous hikes and
rock climbs. I almost lost my daughter over a cliff at age six. My son in a
raging river at age 9, then again at age 12 when he and I got caught in the
middle of a huge lake in a canoe with howling wind and 4 foot waves.

When I look back I see a crazy man who shouldn't have been allowed to have kids
in his care. The kids look back on those adventures as great times.

"Indyrose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
> you, to *those* guys!)

Gott'a admit - who knew that thread would degenerate into a Second Amendment
Assault Rifles tirade?
Pretty damned impressive - and only on the wreck...

guess you haven't seen A.S.D today?

dave

mttt wrote:

> "Indyrose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
>>you, to *those* guys!)
>
>
> Gott'a admit - who knew that thread would degenerate into a Second Amendment
> Assault Rifles tirade?
> Pretty damned impressive - and only on the wreck...
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
mel <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>Pretend you were capable of removing all harmful agents to your child's
>longevity. Let's keep it semi-realistic and accept the fact that we are
>only talking those agents that can be avoided by choice. Let's pretend that
>they successfully identified every harmful substance known.
>
>What kind of life would that be? Would they live longer but have less to
>enjoy? Would they really be willing to give up everything necessary? Do we
>really want to place that sort of limit on their lives?

Well - note that woodworking would not be allowed. Certainly power
tools are out, but also neander tools becuase sharp edges can *kill*.
Private autos would have to be banned, also alcohol usage (well, we've
had a "noble experiment" in how well this works. :-)

It looks as if we might have to exercise some judgement and balance
cost/benefit considerations!
--
--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu

[email protected] wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 07:43:35 -0700, [email protected] (Indyrose) wrote:
>
>>Com'on guys!
>>
>>I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
>>you, to *those* guys!)
>>
>>My own Hubby was one of the major offenders!
>>
>>Anyway, I got the 4-Her to switch to pine.
>>
> What bothered me about most of the on topic responses is everyone was
> talking about danger to the birds.
> I wouldn't want my child working in a room where treated lumber was being
> cut and sanded.
>
> Who knows the long term consequences of breathing that stuff in.
> I won't even burn the stuff outside.

While that's certainly the real concern, my impression is that the parents
had already decided that that risk was overstated. Going after it from a
"danger to the bird living in the house" seemed more likely to be fruitful
from my viewpoint anyway.

>>Concensus was to not use treated lumber -- I didn't think it was a
>>good idea, but I didn't want to sound like an environmental nut,
>>either. I wanted to get some facts and experienced opinions to help me
>>out...
>>
>>...And you blew the thread way out of line!
>>
>>And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering from
>>testosterone poisoning.
>>
>>Indyrose

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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"mel" wrote in message
> Swingman mistakenly concluded--"Spoken like a man who anticipates a lot of
> years left."
>
> Actually it was spoken like a man who doesn't believe this is the best it
> gets.


Well, good luck then ... sounds like you may need it.

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On 9 Jun 2004 07:43:35 -0700, [email protected] (Indyrose) wrote:

>Com'on guys!
>
>I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
>you, to *those* guys!)
>
>My own Hubby was one of the major offenders!
>
>Anyway, I got the 4-Her to switch to pine.
>
What bothered me about most of the on topic responses is everyone was talking
about danger to the birds.
I wouldn't want my child working in a room where treated lumber was being cut
and sanded.

Who knows the long term consequences of breathing that stuff in.
I won't even burn the stuff outside.

>Concensus was to not use treated lumber -- I didn't think it was a
>good idea, but I didn't want to sound like an environmental nut,
>either. I wanted to get some facts and experienced opinions to help me
>out...
>
>...And you blew the thread way out of line!
>
>And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering from
>testosterone poisoning.
>
>Indyrose

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:100620040803554576%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <100620040722009899%[email protected]>, Allen Epps
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I helped my neighbor put one up last year ( a pre-made one) and the
> > label on it said even if installed exactly right it may take bats up to
> > four years to move in.
>
> Guess I'll try to be patient, then. <g>

... And I'll save up mosquitoes for them. <G>

We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of all
harmful agents that may threaten our longevity. Mother's milk contains the
same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't figured
out where to put the warning label.

An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> New to Usenet, eh?

Ah........ Nope...
Just every now and then surprised.

I keep trying to explain that philosophy to my wife when the kids come home
from the beach with their pockets full of crabs, clams and limpets.... She
still looks at me with a deep sideways glance :)

Rob

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"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:20:15 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]>
> calmly ranted:
>
> >We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of
all
> >harmful agents that may threaten our longevity.
>
> And mothers who clean everything and keep the bugs out of the way
> of their children are baffled when the same previously bug-free
> child comes home every other week from a dirty school with a cold,
> flu, etc. Keep your house dirty. Kids will develop antibodies and
> WORKING immune systems. Besides, most of those bug killing cleaners
> leave toxic films or kill off good bugs in the kids' bodies.
>
> And the medical community overprescribed antibiotics TWENTY MILLION
> times last year alone. UPDATE: Medical System now the leading cause
> of... http://tinyurl.com/u2jt
>
>
> >Mother's milk contains the
> >same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't
figured
> >out where to put the warning label.
>
> I will happily lick the receiving area, put a glue-
> backed warning label there, and rub it down. Just call me!
>
>
> > An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
> >accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?
>
> Eat Right. Keep Fit. Die Anyway.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "i" before "e", except after "c", what a weird society.
> ----
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>

"Indyrose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Com'on guys!
>
> I asked a REAL question, and only got a handful of REAL answers (thank
> you, to *those* guys!)
>
> My own Hubby was one of the major offenders!
>
> Anyway, I got the 4-Her to switch to pine.
>
> Concensus was to not use treated lumber -- I didn't think it was a
> good idea, but I didn't want to sound like an environmental nut,
> either. I wanted to get some facts and experienced opinions to help me
> out...

4wiw -- when I built my last purple martin house, I used exterior plywood,
painted the outside with latex paint and the interior I brushed with boiled
linseed oil. The bird's seem happy with it, but I incorporated an
experimental bat house design in the lower part, and have yet to see any
bats nesting in it (I didn't have luck with an earlier cedar bat-house,
built with plans from Bat Conservation International, either).




>
> ...And you blew the thread way out of line!
>
> And speaking of poisons, I think most of you are suffering from
> testosterone poisoning.
>
> Indyrose

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:27:10 GMT, "mttt" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> New to Usenet, eh?
>
>Ah........ Nope...
>Just every now and then surprised.
>
Don't be, gun nuts are Usenet herpes.
You can't get rid of them and they can flare up at any time.
Just watch.;-)

Bill needlessly expressed his concern by stating-"I feel sorry for your
children.
That is if they're still alive.<g>"

Your "<g>" indicates to me this was a lighthearted jest and I assure you
I've taken it so...... but it has afforded me the opportunity to climb on my
favorite soapbox.... <big g> Let's play pretend....

Pretend you were capable of removing all harmful agents to your child's
longevity. Let's keep it semi-realistic and accept the fact that we are
only talking those agents that can be avoided by choice. Let's pretend that
they successfully identified every harmful substance known.

What kind of life would that be? Would they live longer but have less to
enjoy? Would they really be willing to give up everything necessary? Do we
really want to place that sort of limit on their lives?

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:20:15 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]> wrote:

>We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of all
>harmful agents that may threaten our longevity. Mother's milk contains the
>same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't figured
>out where to put the warning label.
>
> An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
>accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?
>
I feel sorry for your children.
That is if they're still alive.<g>

"mel" wrote in message
> We've become a society that labors too much trying to rid our lives of all
> harmful agents that may threaten our longevity. Mother's milk contains
the
> same arsenic that is in the CCA treated lumber. They just haven't figured
> out where to put the warning label.

In all fairness, there should be two such labels: The first, in braille, in
the vicinity of said manufactuing facility, directing you to the second,
also in braille, about 18" or so below:

WARNING to all ye who enter here: Studies show that the results of the
biological process upon which you are about to enter can result in undue
financial hardship for a minnimum of 22 years from the date of each
occurence.

> An interesting statistic.....1 out of 1 dies. Pick a disease and live
> accordingly. So what if you miss a few of the drooling years at the end?

Spoken like a man who anticipates a lot of years left.

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