Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
for in a used forklift.
I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000 for
a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one with
a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt one.
Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there brands
to stay away from?
Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
gas/propane/diesel one?
It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of the
model year. What is a reasonable figure?
What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger over
a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like a
car battery?
I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
outside to unload a truck)?
My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I know
that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does this
apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery store
and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was looking.
I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
drive a car.)
Any comments?
AL wrote:
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
No exhaust fumes, quieter. Good if you only need to use it an hour or two a
day. If you need to run it all day, get one that you can refuel, rather
than waiting for the battery to cahrge.
> Can electric forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off
> hydrogen gas like a car battery?
They can be charged indoors with good ventilation. They do give off
hydrogen gas. Open the access panels around the batteries when charging.
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
No problem.
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
Where I live, both the local community college and an equipment rental yard
offer forklift classes.
--
--
Steve
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I don't drive Forklift though someday it might be a good idea to get
> licensed.
> For the training/license I confirm with everyone else. Usually it is
> offered by local colleges or tech centers. In NY(the state) it is offered
> by BOCES on a regular basis.
>
>
Humorous aside, where I grew up, BOCES was the special education
service offered by the school district for students with "special
needs".
I don't drive Forklift though someday it might be a good idea to get
licensed.
For the training/license I confirm with everyone else. Usually it is
offered by local colleges or tech centers. In NY(the state) it is offered
by BOCES on a regular basis.
--
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>
I am amazed no one has posted a link to the klaus.mpg forklift training video.
91 mb, but worth the download!
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:45:31 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
|Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
Rex in Fort Worth
test
Jim Stewart wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
>
> > Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
> > statistics are there to prove it.
>
> The Army gave me a 4,400lb capacity rough terrain
> forklift and a license after 1/2 hour of instruction.
> Then I used it to move missile sections around. On
> snow and ice in Germany. Didn't seem too hard to
> me.
test
Jim Stewart wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
>
> > Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
> > statistics are there to prove it.
>
> The Army gave me a 4,400lb capacity rough terrain
> forklift and a license after 1/2 hour of instruction.
> Then I used it to move missile sections around. On
> snow and ice in Germany. Didn't seem too hard to
> me.
In article <uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02>, [email protected] says...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
I'm sorry I can't help you out with details on forklifts (ask me about
tractors though :-)) However, you might also want to check out the
site: <http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/>, they have a classified and
photo classified section and often have a forklift or two for sale. It
will give you at least another place to look.
No affiliation, just spend some time looking at the hardware.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02>...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift?
Propane trucks give off fumes but are best at long sitting without
running. Forks shift parallel to shoulders. Forks can be tilted.Can be
charged in building, but need ventilation because hydrogen is
generated. Three phase chargers are cheaper to install and operate,
smaller wire and conduit. Most industries now require fork truck
licenses or certification. Should be available from local community
college as a non degree seeking student.
Look for leaking hydraulic seals, cracked hydraulic hoses, hydraulic
fluid drips, if fueled...leaks or corrosion in radiator, wobbles,
pulsing, or jerking in steering, poor braking. It should have flashing
warning light and beeper, save later lawsuits and required OSHA
upgrades. Does it have a seat belt, I believe req by OSHA? It should
have a working headlight. Does emergency brake work? If you are going
off smooth or level pavement, buy one with GROUND CLEARANCE. Many
trucks are only one inch off ground. Get easily stuck. Good luck
Bill Turpin in WNC mountains
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02>...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
From my experience, used forklift salesmen make used car salesmen look
like paragons of virtue.
You'll pay less buying from an end user than from a dealer, in
general. The dealer may, or may not, paint it. The dealer may, or
may not, fix anything. The truck may, or may not, break when you get
it home. The dealer may give you a warranty on the engine or
hydraulics.
What to look for: does it run? does it smoke? do the brakes work?
does it have the capacity you need? Does it have the lift you need?
(you can find single, double or triple section masts). Are the tires
good? Does it leak? Does the transmission work? What does the trans
fluid look like? Can you get parts?
How's the steering linkage? Any slop in the kingpins? Suspension
work is a pain and, if you do it yourself, will probably mean pulling
the counterweight.
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there brands
> to stay away from?
Others may correct me, but what I remember from looking at this a year
or so ago is Yale and Hyster are now owned by the same holding
company. This is good, parts are available. Clarke was in bankruptcy
the other year, trade in values had dropped to nil. Cat was importing
a Daewoo lift and rebadging it, I think.
There are a lot of old trucks around from companies that have
disappeared: Towmotor, Allis Chalmers, Burke(?). Some of these trucks
are 40 years old and still running, but parts may require some
creativity.
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
You have to charge it. Batteries are expensive and heavy. Gas smells
if you run it inside, ditto on diesel. When you run out of propane,
you'd better have another tank handy. Propane tends to be nicer on
engines.
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
What's your budget? Less is better, but costs more. What kind of
maintenance did it have? If it came from a company that had a lift
service handle routine maintenance on a regular basis, a high hour
truck may be in better shape than low hours from someplace that
ignored maintenance.
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
It moves the forks back and forth, parallel to your shoulders. That
way you don't have to move the truck to get the forks where you need
them.
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
As long as you don't run them on something soft like gravel or dirt.
They'll just dig it. If you're on concrete or asphalt, it should be
fine.
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does this
> apply to propane?
No. It might leak out though if you forget to shut off the tank.
I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
Hydraulics are the only way to lift things :-)
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
There is a tilt control for the mast.
You can also get manual or automatic transmissions. Manuals have
fewer things to go wrong, autos are a little easier to creep around.
Auto's have bunches of springs that can break as the truck gets older.
With most trucks you can rebuild the clutch or trans without pulling
it from the truck.
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
Check the manufacturers web sites. Mostly a lot of don'ts - don't
take turns fast. Don't exceed the capacity, don't drive with the load
high, etc.
In other words: don't do anything dumb :-)
It still is.
But it is also know for its continuing education classes for those either
looking to get better or change trades.
--
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > I don't drive Forklift though someday it might be a good idea to get
> > licensed.
> > For the training/license I confirm with everyone else. Usually it is
> > offered by local colleges or tech centers. In NY(the state) it is
offered
> > by BOCES on a regular basis.
> >
> >
>
> Humorous aside, where I grew up, BOCES was the special education
> service offered by the school district for students with "special
> needs".
I think material handling is on topic for me , ;-)
> Ken Cutt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I agree. Two things come to my mind: 1.) The topic is one of general
interest to people that work around metals and machines. 2.) The Subject
is in plain view to anyone, so the slightly OT nature of the post should be
no surprise. and C.) If you're new to the group, why don't you just lurk a
little longer, until you have a feel for the friendly and tolerant
atmosphere here?
"Jim Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote
> > I would guess that there's a big difference between using a forklift
outside
> > (which is what I assume a rough terrain forklift is used for) and
running
> > one inside a warehouse. I've seen plenty of walls with forklift-shaped
> > holes in them and warehouse racks with forklift-shaped dents in them.
It
> > wouldn't take a lot of imagination to envision taking out a rack with
enough
> > force to topple it. Not to mention the risks when picking or placing
> > pallets to prevent knocking other pallets off the other side, etc..
>
> Your point is well taken. In my brushes with forklifts,
> I always had all the time in the world to do the job.
> I used load binders when in doubt and had a second pair
> of eyes watching. Zipping around in a tight warehouse
> while the boss watches the clock would be a big step up
> in skill.
>
In the convention industry, we use nine foot aisles. Then you have crates
in those aisles, and at some times, you have just enough room to drive
through an aisle, with only inches on each side, carrying crates that weigh
1,000# or more.. With a wide load, you must raise it about ten feet to
clear adjacent exhibits. Many times, you must raise it to make a corner.
Then you have to contend with garbage, stupid exhibitors, corners, cleaning
people, other lifts, signage, and all manner of things. It has all the
characteristics of a beehive.
We use portable aluminum ramps to unload box trailers. We unload up to 100
flats a day. We unload all types of private vehicles.
It gets pretty interesting at times. And it does require a high level of
skills. Anyone who has been to a tradeshow installation can tell you it is
a chaotic ballet.
Operating a lift in the open, with no one around, or in a quiet warehouse
with few people would be infinitely easier.
Steve
Forklifts are made of metal. That qualifies.....
RJ
--
"You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me, instead of you."
"joey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:noDTb.210763$xy6.1088103@attbi_s02...
> Im new to this group and have read a lot of guys get scolded for not
putting
> OT in their subject surely this is off topic?
>
> "AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> > Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
> look
> > for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to
look
> > for in a used forklift.
> >
> > I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are
so
> > many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
> for
> > a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
> with
> > a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
> one.
> >
> > Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> > Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies
(Komatsu,
> > Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about
companies
> > like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
> brands
> > to stay away from?
> >
> > Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> > gas/propane/diesel one?
> >
> > It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
> the
> > model year. What is a reasonable figure?
> >
> > What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but
in
> > what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> > shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my
shoulders?
> >
> > If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
> over
> > a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> > forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas
like
> a
> > car battery?
> >
> > I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> > But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to
go
> > outside to unload a truck)?
> >
> > My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
> know
> > that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
> this
> > apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even
have
> > them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so
I
> > want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
> >
> > A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
> store
> > and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
> looking.
> > I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load
and
> > either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> > speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
> >
> > Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
The
> > dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> > drive a car.)
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> >
>
>
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> A safer way to drive is backwards, where you will have a full view.
>
Yes, but it makes picking up a pallet in a trailer difficult when you enter
backwards.
If the load obscures your vision, it is required that you move backwards. or
going down a ramp or incline.
--
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Jim Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SteveB wrote:
>
> > Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
> > statistics are there to prove it.
>
> The Army gave me a 4,400lb capacity rough terrain
> forklift and a license after 1/2 hour of instruction.
> Then I used it to move missile sections around. On
> snow and ice in Germany. Didn't seem too hard to
> me.
I would guess that there's a big difference between using a forklift outside
(which is what I assume a rough terrain forklift is used for) and running
one inside a warehouse. I've seen plenty of walls with forklift-shaped
holes in them and warehouse racks with forklift-shaped dents in them. It
wouldn't take a lot of imagination to envision taking out a rack with enough
force to topple it. Not to mention the risks when picking or placing
pallets to prevent knocking other pallets off the other side, etc..
Reminds me of a time several years ago when I worked as a design engineer.
I borrowed a stand-up forklift from the shipping department to move some
lead weights in our test yard that we used to provide dead weight to test
our products over time. While bringing it back, I had to go through the
employee parking lot. I guess I had a brain cramp and turned the little
crankwheel the wrong way and turned left instead of right. I came about an
inch away from taking out the rear quarter panel of somebody's car.
todd
What type of fungus?
Stephen R.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>
I'd recommend one with an automatic tranny, that way you don't have to worry
about a clutch when spotting a heavy load. I don't know if they make a 5000#
cap model in electric, I doubt it.
If you go propane, plan on renting the tanks from your local weld supply
with the monthly rental fee. Gasoline will be cheaper as long as you operate
in a well ventilated area. Diesel is nice but a more expensive machine.
My Yale 5000# is a well used machine, but it has a simple Chrysler 6
cylinder engine, very easy to get parts for and repair. I paid $2500 for it.
Check out ebay to get an idea of prices.
Tony
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>
"AL" <[email protected]> writes:
>Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
>for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
>for in a used forklift.
>
The hydraulics and transmission are the key components to look at.
There are both regular (i.e. clutch) and hydrostatic (no clutch)
transmissions available.
>Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
>Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
>Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
>like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there brands
>to stay away from?
Yale, Clarke, Hyster, Prime Mover are the main names in forktrucks.
>
>Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
>gas/propane/diesel one?
Depends on the environment in which they are being used, and how much
use they get.
>
>What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
>what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
>shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
Parallel to. So you don't need to line the truck itself up exactly
with the spot in which the pallet is to be placed.
>A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery store
>and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was looking.
>I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
>either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
>speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
Yes. When driving with empty forks you should tilt them forward slightly
and run the tips just at the floor.
HTH
scott
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02:
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
> look for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what
> to look for in a used forklift.
>
What are you planning to use it for? Many are for outdoor construction,
while others are for warehouse work.
NJBrad
Hey Steve,
What hall are you at??
Pedro
"SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JEQTb.28724$P17.6757@fed1read03...
>
> "Jim Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > > I would guess that there's a big difference between using a forklift
> outside
> > > (which is what I assume a rough terrain forklift is used for) and
> running
> > > one inside a warehouse. I've seen plenty of walls with
forklift-shaped
> > > holes in them and warehouse racks with forklift-shaped dents in them.
> It
> > > wouldn't take a lot of imagination to envision taking out a rack with
> enough
> > > force to topple it. Not to mention the risks when picking or placing
> > > pallets to prevent knocking other pallets off the other side, etc..
> >
> > Your point is well taken. In my brushes with forklifts,
> > I always had all the time in the world to do the job.
> > I used load binders when in doubt and had a second pair
> > of eyes watching. Zipping around in a tight warehouse
> > while the boss watches the clock would be a big step up
> > in skill.
> >
>
> In the convention industry, we use nine foot aisles. Then you have crates
> in those aisles, and at some times, you have just enough room to drive
> through an aisle, with only inches on each side, carrying crates that
weigh
> 1,000# or more.. With a wide load, you must raise it about ten feet to
> clear adjacent exhibits. Many times, you must raise it to make a corner.
> Then you have to contend with garbage, stupid exhibitors, corners,
cleaning
> people, other lifts, signage, and all manner of things. It has all the
> characteristics of a beehive.
>
> We use portable aluminum ramps to unload box trailers. We unload up to
100
> flats a day. We unload all types of private vehicles.
>
> It gets pretty interesting at times. And it does require a high level of
> skills. Anyone who has been to a tradeshow installation can tell you it
is
> a chaotic ballet.
>
> Operating a lift in the open, with no one around, or in a quiet warehouse
> with few people would be infinitely easier.
>
> Steve
>
>
A safer way to drive is backwards, where you will have a full view.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>AL wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there
>>are so many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less
>>than $1000 for a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad,
>>around $5000 for one with a new paint job from a dealer, and around
>>$10,000 for a factory rebuilt one.
>>
>>
>
>Sounds about right. A brand new 3000 lb model will run about $17,500. they
>do not depreciate like a car due to model years, but hours is a more
>important factor.
>
>
>
>
>>Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
>>Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies
>>(Komatsu, Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what
>>about companies like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of
>>them. Are there brands to stay away from?
>>
>>
>
>Toyota is the top selling brand in the world. Most brands have components
>from around the world. Yale, as US brand uses Mitsubishi engines while
>Toyota is built in Ohio. I don't know of any brands to avoid. Just be sure
>the brand is still in busness, otherwise it will be hard to get parts if
>needed.
>
>
>
>>Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
>>gas/propane/diesel one?
>>
>>
>
>Electric is quiet and has no air pollution. Batteries and chargers are a
>few thousand dollars though. Unless you need electric, propane is a much
>better fuel. If it is used outdoors, gasoline is OK.
>
>
>
>>It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead
>>of the model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>>
>>
>
>Engine hours are important. less than 10,000 is good. Look for signs of
>hydraulic leaks and see how the transmission feels. Steering should be
>fairly tight.
>
>
>
>
>>What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side,
>>but in what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated
>>the side shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to
>>my shoulders?
>>
>>
>
>Side shift is a good feature if you are stacking pallets in tight quarters
>or need any degree of accuracy when placing a load. It moves parallel to
>your shoulders about 6 inches in each direction.
>
>
>
>
>>If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase
>>charger over a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.)
>>Can electric forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off
>>hydrogen gas like a car battery?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, they are charged indoors. I don't know about the other factors.
>
>
>
>>I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete
>>floor. But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I
>>need to go outside to unload a truck)?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, they are made for most any smooth surface. Do NOT take them out on
>sand, gravel or dirt. Every year we get a new fork lift operator and we
>have to pull him out of the dirt outside the plant. The are very poor
>traction if the suface is wet. Downright dangerous in fact.
>
>
>
>>My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time.
>>I know that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to
>>sit. Does this apply to propane?
>>
>>
>
>No, can sit for very long time.
>
>
>
>
>>A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a
>>grocery store and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift
>>when no one was looking. I remember the forks could be tilted
>>vertically (ie. tilting the load and either causing it to hit the
>>rack, or slide off the forks). Generally speaking, can the forks on
>>a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>>
>>
>
>Yes. Some of the new models have a fork leveling button. When travelling
>with a load you should have the forks tilted back. When you want to put it
>down, it can be difficult to get the forks exactly level. You hold the
>button on the lever and push forward and when the forks are 90 degrees, it
>will stop. You have to tilt the forks forward to pick up a load that is not
>on a pallet or to slide out from under a bundle.
>
>
>
>>Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
>>The dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn
>>how to drive a car.)
>>
>>
>
>Most dealers offer a safety course. OSHA requires a training course. You
>have to have a refresher every couple of years and you have to be trained in
>every model. You are supposed to run down a checklist every day before
>using it also. And now you are supposed to wear a seatbelt. -- Backup
>alarms are not required yet, but if you have more than one truck and one has
>the alarm, all must then have the alarm.
>
>If you think buying a car is a fun time, forklift salesmen make them look
>like amateurs.
>
>Other factors to consider are lift heights. The trucks in a trucking
>termnal are often single mast as they only lift pallets maybe 4 feet to
>stack inside of a trailer. Double mast allows a much higher lift; this is
>very common to find. Triple mast is higher yet. I'm not sure of the
>maximum, but the ones I just bought are 186" This is handy when you have to
>change lightbulbs in a factory ceiling or do overhead piping. You can buy a
>cage that goes on the forks to lift a man up.
>
>For limited use, the "window" in the front is probably not the deciding
>factor, but if you use one a lot, it is a big help to have a wide window in
>the mast instead of looking at the cylinder. Makes for safer driving and
>more accurate load placement.
>Ed
>[email protected]
>http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>
>
>
Let me preface all remarks by saying that I am a certified forklift
operator. I operate a 5,000# capacity lift at the Las Vegas Convention
Center, The Sands Expo, and many hotels in Las Vegas. I am on my third
certification, and they are good for five years.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
Same thing as a car. High hours. (easily disguised on a forklift by
changing the hour meter.) Lots of wear on the moving parts. Signs of
leaks. Signs of repairs, particularly welding. Examine it as you would a
car.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
You get what you pay for. Stick with a Toyota, Yale, or Hyster, IMHO. I
drive those 8 hours a day.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
We use Yale, Hyster, Komatsu, and Toyota forklifts. They are good names,
although I do not like the old Komatsu stick shifts. If there is anything
to stay away from, I believe it is a stick shift clutched forklift.
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
Electric forklifts are used in special environments, usually confined
spaces, indoors and special environments. A diesel would be only used
outside, as well as a gasoline model because of the exhaust. Propane lifts
can be used indoors with ventilation.
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
The lower the better. Model year means nothing when put beside the hour
meter. You can have a year old forklift with 2,000 hours on it, or a ten
year old lift with 500 on it. Hours mean something. Model year means a lot
less.
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
It shifts loads horizontally. It is a very useful control.
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
Electric lifts have a whole separate list of needs and maintenence. They
also have different repair and replacement procedures. Yes, they can be
charged indoors. Yes, they give off noxious flammable gases.
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
Yes, they run on asphalt.
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
You might consider a lease. That way, the leasing company maintains it, and
you pay a flat fee or for the hours of use. You may have a better deduction
factor with a lease instead of having to amortize depreciation on capital
investments of a purchased lift. Check with your CPA for the figures.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
Yes.
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
You would have to check that out in your locality.
>
> Any comments?
>
>
Are you going to be the one driving it ALL the time. Just like you used to
sneak a drive on the forklift, employees may do the same thing and create a
huge liability for you. If you know so little about a forklift, and need
one, I would hire an employee who is already certified. Your insurance
company will probably require it. If you go and get experience, it will be
at a cost. A lot of it is trial and error, and it will be on your stuff.
Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
statistics are there to prove it.
HTH
Steve
Try making a new friend at a machine rental outfit and see what they do
or do not recommend, and why to start with.
AL wrote:
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000 for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>
SteveB wrote:
> You might consider a lease. That way, the leasing company maintains
> it, and you pay a flat fee or for the hours of use. You may have a
> better deduction factor with a lease instead of having to amortize
> depreciation on capital investments of a purchased lift. Check with
> your CPA for the figures.
--
That depends on the lease. Most are strictly finace leases and have no
service allowances in them. Toyota has some good rates right now though.
Quarterly PM service on a truck will run about $100 to $150.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
SteveB wrote:
> Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
> statistics are there to prove it.
The Army gave me a 4,400lb capacity rough terrain
forklift and a license after 1/2 hour of instruction.
Then I used it to move missile sections around. On
snow and ice in Germany. Didn't seem too hard to
me.
SteveB wrote: (clip) Anyone who has been to a tradeshow installation can
tell you it is a chaotic ballet. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, I've been there. I imagine if you damaged someone's exhibit just
prior to opening time, there would be a lot of unhappy people.
In the warehouse where I used to work, when a newbie tried driving a
forklift, everyone would gather at a safe distance and make
wisecracks--waiting for the inevitable mistakes to happen.
"Pedroman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_QZTb.171596$sv6.923123@attbi_s52...
> Hey Steve,
>
> What hall are you at??
>
> Pedro
All over. Presently C hall. The down of NADA.
Steve
> "SteveB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:JEQTb.28724$P17.6757@fed1read03...
> >
> > "Jim Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > > > I would guess that there's a big difference between using a forklift
> > outside
> > > > (which is what I assume a rough terrain forklift is used for) and
> > running
> > > > one inside a warehouse. I've seen plenty of walls with
> forklift-shaped
> > > > holes in them and warehouse racks with forklift-shaped dents in
them.
> > It
> > > > wouldn't take a lot of imagination to envision taking out a rack
with
> > enough
> > > > force to topple it. Not to mention the risks when picking or
placing
> > > > pallets to prevent knocking other pallets off the other side, etc..
> > >
> > > Your point is well taken. In my brushes with forklifts,
> > > I always had all the time in the world to do the job.
> > > I used load binders when in doubt and had a second pair
> > > of eyes watching. Zipping around in a tight warehouse
> > > while the boss watches the clock would be a big step up
> > > in skill.
> > >
> >
> > In the convention industry, we use nine foot aisles. Then you have
crates
> > in those aisles, and at some times, you have just enough room to drive
> > through an aisle, with only inches on each side, carrying crates that
> weigh
> > 1,000# or more.. With a wide load, you must raise it about ten feet to
> > clear adjacent exhibits. Many times, you must raise it to make a
corner.
> > Then you have to contend with garbage, stupid exhibitors, corners,
> cleaning
> > people, other lifts, signage, and all manner of things. It has all the
> > characteristics of a beehive.
> >
> > We use portable aluminum ramps to unload box trailers. We unload up to
> 100
> > flats a day. We unload all types of private vehicles.
> >
> > It gets pretty interesting at times. And it does require a high level
of
> > skills. Anyone who has been to a tradeshow installation can tell you it
> is
> > a chaotic ballet.
> >
> > Operating a lift in the open, with no one around, or in a quiet
warehouse
> > with few people would be infinitely easier.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>
Im new to this group and have read a lot of guys get scolded for not putting
OT in their subject surely this is off topic?
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>
Tue, Feb 3, 2004, 2:08am (EST+5) [email protected] (joey) asks:
Im new to this group and have read a lot of guys get scolded for not
putting OT in their subject surely this is off topic?
Well, since he cross-posted to rec.crafts.metalworking and
rec.woodworking, has no posting history shown with that address on
either, and didn't say what he wanted one for, I'm thinking he's
trolling.
JOAT
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- Pete Maccarrone
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Some tunes I like.
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In article <uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02>, "AL" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
More of a tip than anything:
When you pull up to a stoplight allow plenty of room between you and the
new Lexus in front of you for the forks - those taillights are damned
expensive, DAMHIKT.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:31:15 -0800, the renowned Jim Stewart
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Your point is well taken. In my brushes with forklifts,
>I always had all the time in the world to do the job.
>I used load binders when in doubt and had a second pair
>of eyes watching. Zipping around in a tight warehouse
>while the boss watches the clock would be a big step up
>in skill.
There are personal injury lawyers who specialize in forklift
injuries.. probably in every major city of North America.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:45:31 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
>for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
>for in a used forklift.
I used to run a Towmotor that gave good service. When I worked in the
paper mill as a kid we'd have jousting matches.
The Towmotors beat the shit out of the others.
It was hard getting used to the rear wheel steering but the iron posts
in that warehouse were pretty strong.
Good thing.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Anybody got any mechanical info on a Datsun forklift model FG003, with
Nissan engine D11K11505? I could use some literature. Doing an overall
rebuild. Scans or links will work.
RJ
--
"You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me, instead of you."
"Rex B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am amazed no one has posted a link to the klaus.mpg forklift training
video.
> 91 mb, but worth the download!
>
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:45:31 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> |Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
> Rex in Fort Worth
todd wrote:
> "Jim Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>SteveB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Driving a forklift looks easy. It is not. It is hazardous, and the
>>>statistics are there to prove it.
>>
>>The Army gave me a 4,400lb capacity rough terrain
>>forklift and a license after 1/2 hour of instruction.
>>Then I used it to move missile sections around. On
>>snow and ice in Germany. Didn't seem too hard to
>>me.
>
>
> I would guess that there's a big difference between using a forklift outside
> (which is what I assume a rough terrain forklift is used for) and running
> one inside a warehouse. I've seen plenty of walls with forklift-shaped
> holes in them and warehouse racks with forklift-shaped dents in them. It
> wouldn't take a lot of imagination to envision taking out a rack with enough
> force to topple it. Not to mention the risks when picking or placing
> pallets to prevent knocking other pallets off the other side, etc..
Your point is well taken. In my brushes with forklifts,
I always had all the time in the world to do the job.
I used load binders when in doubt and had a second pair
of eyes watching. Zipping around in a tight warehouse
while the boss watches the clock would be a big step up
in skill.
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> SteveB wrote: (clip) Anyone who has been to a tradeshow installation can
> tell you it is a chaotic ballet. (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Yeah, I've been there. I imagine if you damaged someone's exhibit just
> prior to opening time, there would be a lot of unhappy people.
>
> In the warehouse where I used to work, when a newbie tried driving a
> forklift, everyone would gather at a safe distance and make
> wisecracks--waiting for the inevitable mistakes to happen.
>
>
At HomeBuilders a couple of weeks ago, a huge overhead stage truss assembly
hit the deck when a forklift operator went to tweaking the legs with his
forklift. It was bad, but no one was hurt.
Steve
AL wrote:
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
The only two issues that I know about are the result
of my very limited experience operating one:
1. If you are using it to lift parts into place and
then attach them, make sure that the forklift will
hold the forks stationary under load.
2. If you buy a propane forklift make sure it will
start when cold. The one I was using would not
properly vaporize propane at low temperatures at
startup. Once it was running, it was fine.
AL wrote:
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there
> are so many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less
> than $1000 for a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad,
> around $5000 for one with a new paint job from a dealer, and around
> $10,000 for a factory rebuilt one.
Sounds about right. A brand new 3000 lb model will run about $17,500. they
do not depreciate like a car due to model years, but hours is a more
important factor.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies
> (Komatsu, Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what
> about companies like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of
> them. Are there brands to stay away from?
Toyota is the top selling brand in the world. Most brands have components
from around the world. Yale, as US brand uses Mitsubishi engines while
Toyota is built in Ohio. I don't know of any brands to avoid. Just be sure
the brand is still in busness, otherwise it will be hard to get parts if
needed.
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
Electric is quiet and has no air pollution. Batteries and chargers are a
few thousand dollars though. Unless you need electric, propane is a much
better fuel. If it is used outdoors, gasoline is OK.
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead
> of the model year. What is a reasonable figure?
Engine hours are important. less than 10,000 is good. Look for signs of
hydraulic leaks and see how the transmission feels. Steering should be
fairly tight.
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side,
> but in what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated
> the side shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to
> my shoulders?
Side shift is a good feature if you are stacking pallets in tight quarters
or need any degree of accuracy when placing a load. It moves parallel to
your shoulders about 6 inches in each direction.
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase
> charger over a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.)
> Can electric forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off
> hydrogen gas like a car battery?
Yes, they are charged indoors. I don't know about the other factors.
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete
> floor. But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I
> need to go outside to unload a truck)?
Yes, they are made for most any smooth surface. Do NOT take them out on
sand, gravel or dirt. Every year we get a new fork lift operator and we
have to pull him out of the dirt outside the plant. The are very poor
traction if the suface is wet. Downright dangerous in fact.
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time.
> I know that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to
> sit. Does this apply to propane?
No, can sit for very long time.
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a
> grocery store and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift
> when no one was looking. I remember the forks could be tilted
> vertically (ie. tilting the load and either causing it to hit the
> rack, or slide off the forks). Generally speaking, can the forks on
> a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
Yes. Some of the new models have a fork leveling button. When travelling
with a load you should have the forks tilted back. When you want to put it
down, it can be difficult to get the forks exactly level. You hold the
button on the lever and push forward and when the forks are 90 degrees, it
will stop. You have to tilt the forks forward to pick up a load that is not
on a pallet or to slide out from under a bundle.
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely?
> The dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn
> how to drive a car.)
Most dealers offer a safety course. OSHA requires a training course. You
have to have a refresher every couple of years and you have to be trained in
every model. You are supposed to run down a checklist every day before
using it also. And now you are supposed to wear a seatbelt. -- Backup
alarms are not required yet, but if you have more than one truck and one has
the alarm, all must then have the alarm.
If you think buying a car is a fun time, forklift salesmen make them look
like amateurs.
Other factors to consider are lift heights. The trucks in a trucking
termnal are often single mast as they only lift pallets maybe 4 feet to
stack inside of a trailer. Double mast allows a much higher lift; this is
very common to find. Triple mast is higher yet. I'm not sure of the
maximum, but the ones I just bought are 186" This is handy when you have to
change lightbulbs in a factory ceiling or do overhead piping. You can buy a
cage that goes on the forks to lift a man up.
For limited use, the "window" in the front is probably not the deciding
factor, but if you use one a lot, it is a big help to have a wide window in
the mast instead of looking at the cylinder. Makes for safer driving and
more accurate load placement.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Try this site to start.
http://www.free-training.com/osha/forklift/forkmenu.htm
For occasional use propane is an ideal fuel. It produces limited fumes so
is acceptable indoors as long as you are not dealing with food products and
you have some reasonable ventilation in the building.
If you are a neophyte you should use a dealer with a good reputation.
You could buy a forklift that would need repairs valued many times what you
paid for it.
Side shift moves the pallet left or right approximately a foot depending
on the size of the forklift.
Randy
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:uiBTb.210166$xy6.1078731@attbi_s02...
> Does anyone have any advise on buying a used forklift? I know what to
look
> for in a used car, but I don't have the slightest idea about what to look
> for in a used forklift.
>
> I've been looking for a sit-down 3000-5000 pound model. But there are so
> many models to choose from and such a wide price range--less than $1000
for
> a beat-up old one from a classified newspaper ad, around $5000 for one
with
> a new paint job from a dealer, and around $10,000 for a factory rebuilt
one.
>
> Which brands are good? Some are made by automakers (Toyota, Nissan,
> Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Daewoo) and construction vehicle companies (Komatsu,
> Caterpillar). I assume these are probably good. But what about companies
> like Yale, Clarke, Hyster, etc? I've never heard of them. Are there
brands
> to stay away from?
>
> Is there any advantage to getting an electric model instead of a
> gas/propane/diesel one?
>
> It seems that dealers like to specify the number of run hours instead of
the
> model year. What is a reasonable figure?
>
> What is a side shifter? I realize it moves the load side to side, but in
> what direction? If I were sitting in the seat and activated the side
> shifter, would it move the load parallel or perpendicular to my shoulders?
>
> If I get an electric model, is there any advantage to a 3-phase charger
over
> a single-phase charger? (Yes, I have 3-phase power.) Can electric
> forklifts be charged indoors? Do the batteries give off hydrogen gas like
a
> car battery?
>
> I realize cushion tires are intended for indoor use on a concrete floor.
> But can they be used occasionally on asphalt (for example if I need to go
> outside to unload a truck)?
>
> My forklift will sometimes sit unused for extended periods of time. I
know
> that gasoline and diesel fuel can grow a fungus when left to sit. Does
this
> apply to propane? I also realize that I can rent forklifts (and even have
> them delivered). But I can't always predict my needs in advance and so I
> want to have one available when a need arises at the last minute.
>
> A long, long time ago when I was in high school, I worked at a grocery
store
> and occasionally drove a stand-up electric forklift when no one was
looking.
> I remember the forks could be tilted vertically (ie. tilting the load and
> either causing it to hit the rack, or slide off the forks). Generally
> speaking, can the forks on a sit-down forklift be tilted too?
>
> Are there places that give lessons on how to drive a forklift safely? The
> dealers? (But I wouldn't go to a car dealer if I wanted to learn how to
> drive a car.)
>
> Any comments?
>
>