There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
way.
JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
so well.
Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
thought was funny as hell.
Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
like he's worn out, too.
What do I have now?
Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
of involvement.
What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
what it should be.
Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
enjoy?
I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
ignoring the assholes.
There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
unreflective gathering of nanominds.
I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
never used in this place before.
I'll give you my pledge.
I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
show up referenced in other posts.
I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
when I really loved being here.
I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
since I have been here.
Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
Bennett.
BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
I can and encourage where I can't.
I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
much.
If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll give you my pledge.
>
> I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
> show up referenced in other posts.
>
> I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
> when I really loved being here.
'Bout time...
Thanks, Tom.
djb
In article <88cvc.43154$n_6.39965@attbi_s53>, mattzack2
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Keep your fingers crossed that things
> will get better. That's all you can do.
I don't think even Tom agrees with that. There's a lot more we all can
do to stay on topic.
OBWW: Speaking of psychopathology, I've been unable to get moving into
the shop and get anything done for a couple of months. Today I finally
got down there, and did a glue up on a coffee table top that's been
sitting for far too long. This weekend I go hunting for the right
contrasting wood to the doug fir top and start on the base. No plans,
it'll depend on the wood...
45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> thank you for a good laugh... and to make it easier to get to:
> http://tinyurl.com/yuz3v
LOL!
Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before...
;-)
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.
>
> That made me feel better.
Gramps made it to 98, and his mom reached 104.
I figger I've got a good shot.
djb
best you can do? yawn.
dave
Woodchuck Bill wrote:
> Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:17:36 -0500, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, [email protected] (Ray Kinzler)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >A lot of times in life, it is more wise to 'be nice' than to be right.
>>
>> That's NEVER been true!!
>
>Wrong again. It's this insistence on being right that carries these
>ridiculous threads in a long caravan straight into the crapper.
>
>"Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving."
>Anonymous
>
>So I'll shut up. Please join me.
>
>Bob
>
>
SOL (smiling out loud...NOT what you were thinkin' :) )
Have a nice week...
Trent©
Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
On 4 Jun 2004 11:46:11 -0700, [email protected] (Patrick Olguin)
wrote:
>Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
>> After pretty much suffering a year from hell he passed away
>> in February 2002.
>
< i will not snip this>
>It was a very bad year.
>
>This was a deep, personal loss. I purposely stayed out of the several
>threads of tribute to him a couple years ago. To join in at that time
>seemed to me, too personal or potentially cheapening a relationship
>that could be described as nothing less than brotherly. Maybe I just
>was reluctant about getting in touch with that deep pain (and also
>lose out on the cathartic gift therein) that's released when you write
>about someone you've lost and let it go.
>
>I miss Paully Rad. Paul T. Radovanic. I called him Paul Rayovac,
>just to be a PITA sometimes. Truly this was a guy with a heart of
>gold, a smartassy sense of humor, an admirable intuitive creative soul
>if there ever was one. OTOH, he was an Irish/Croat, so God help you
>if you pissed him off. And if ya did, you more than likely deserved
>it. But more than anything, Paul was a sensitive problem solver.
>Yeah, it sounds cliche', but he loved helping people and he was good
>at it.
>
>He should have written a book - Finishing For Dummies - not because he
>couldn't have tackled something more technical, but he had a way of
>dispelling the voodoo of wood finishing that appealed to the
>"Everyman," of woodworking. Paul was as brilliant a student (I
>remember him evolving from a first-time plane owner to happy
>Neanderdorker) as a teacher. There isn't enough bandwidth to describe
>how many times he took a clueless newby polyurinator by the hand and
>led him to shellac, Behlen's rock hard table top varnish, Valspar or
>anything else he had experience in and believed in.
>
>And for those of us who were lucky enough to know him well - I called
>him my, "Udder Brudder Paul," - he had the same compassionate, caring,
>yet no bullshit approach to friendship. We spoke weekly, and on one
>auspicious occasion, he invented a business trip to come to L.A.,
>basically just to see how the hell I was doing. I think the real
>reason was that he wanted to have a go at the vaunted #8 in my shop.
>We hung out like a coupla 10-year olds with our insect collections
>(only with much larger bills).
>
>Though it was way too short, I am grateful for the time Paul had with
>us here on this planet. Who am I kidding? He's still there in my
>shop, everytime I put a brush in the shellac and make it land and take
>off like an airplane, every time I work towards an edge, every time I
>pick up his old MF #18C (corrugated Millers Falls fore plance, Jeff)
>and put it to work.
>
>The pain of separation from someone like a brother will always be
>there. Ya don't get over it - you get by. But it's nothing compared
>to the joy in knowing you've literally been touched by wooddorking
>angel.
>
>That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
>Good-bye Paul. I'm doing ok.
>
>Humbly submitted,
>O'Deen
He was one of the best, O'Deen - and you are one of the best.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker, ret.
tjwatson1atcomcastdotnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:05:48 -0400, "George" <[email protected]> stated
wide-eyed, with arms akimbo:
>Ah you forgot Spokeshave and Larry Jaques (don't put a "c" in the last name,
>he gets cranky), both of whom posted regular and useful advice back in the
>mid to late 90's.
>I look at the bulk of the posts today and shudder at how off topic or FAQed
>they are compared to back then. The wreck was about fine woodworking and not
>a general "It has a piece of wood somehwere in its construction so therefore
>it goes to the wreck".
There was once a time I could read Tom Watson's posts without
seeing him (and fifty others) quote the troll of the bay every
time, too. I miss those days myself.
>ps:What do ya'll do with all them beeman's wrappers :^)
>
>"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>>
>> There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>>
>> There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
>> Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>>
>> O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>>
>> Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
>
--
STOP LIVING LIKE VEAL
-----------------------
http://diversify.com Veal-free Websites
Add me to the bunch that wished they'd find another sandbox!
On 3 Jun 2004 05:14:54 -0700, [email protected] (Ray Kinzler)
wrote:
>All this schoolgirl stuff is ludicrous. I get more than I can stand
>when my daughter has a bunch of her ten-year-old friends over the
>house. Crikkies!
On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, Ray Kinzler <[email protected]> wrote:
> For crying out loud, Dave...there is no need for this.
Killfiles are a wonderful thing. Why do people respond to BAD?
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:08:19 GMT, mattzack2 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Did someone force you to read mine?
> Why don't you follow your own advice?
> Go make some sawdust, and lighten up.
Great, now we've got people complaining about the people complaining about
the people complaining about the troll. I'm sure all this attention is
giving him exactly the stimulation he's after.
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 02:29:23 +0000, JG wrote:
>
>>>There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of Paully
>>>Rad (r.i.p.).
>
>
> What happened to Paully!?!?!?!?!
Same thing that's gonna happen to all of us :-(
His ride was just shorter than it shoulda been. It really has been
several years now...
-Doug
"Practice on scrap, or you'll surely practice on your project" or sage
words to that effect.
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
Swingman wrote:
> "JG" wrote in message:
>
>>Wm Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
>>>
>>>The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
>>
>>Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
>
>
> But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.
Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?
--
--
Obi Wan
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <88cvc.43154$n_6.39965@attbi_s53>, mattzack2
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Keep your fingers crossed that things
>> will get better. That's all you can do.
>
>I don't think even Tom agrees with that. There's a lot more we all can
>do to stay on topic.
>
>OBWW: Speaking of psychopathology, I've been unable to get moving into
>the shop and get anything done for a couple of months. Today I finally
>got down there, and did a glue up on a coffee table top that's been
>sitting for far too long. This weekend I go hunting for the right
>contrasting wood to the doug fir top and start on the base. No plans,
>it'll depend on the wood...
>
>45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
Here's some good news for ya...
Some folks live beyond 60!
Anyway...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!
That is...if you MADE it to today! :)
Have a nice week...
Trent©
Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
> After pretty much suffering a year from hell he passed away
> in February 2002.
It was a very bad year.
This was a deep, personal loss. I purposely stayed out of the several
threads of tribute to him a couple years ago. To join in at that time
seemed to me, too personal or potentially cheapening a relationship
that could be described as nothing less than brotherly. Maybe I just
was reluctant about getting in touch with that deep pain (and also
lose out on the cathartic gift therein) that's released when you write
about someone you've lost and let it go.
I miss Paully Rad. Paul T. Radovanic. I called him Paul Rayovac,
just to be a PITA sometimes. Truly this was a guy with a heart of
gold, a smartassy sense of humor, an admirable intuitive creative soul
if there ever was one. OTOH, he was an Irish/Croat, so God help you
if you pissed him off. And if ya did, you more than likely deserved
it. But more than anything, Paul was a sensitive problem solver.
Yeah, it sounds cliche', but he loved helping people and he was good
at it.
He should have written a book - Finishing For Dummies - not because he
couldn't have tackled something more technical, but he had a way of
dispelling the voodoo of wood finishing that appealed to the
"Everyman," of woodworking. Paul was as brilliant a student (I
remember him evolving from a first-time plane owner to happy
Neanderdorker) as a teacher. There isn't enough bandwidth to describe
how many times he took a clueless newby polyurinator by the hand and
led him to shellac, Behlen's rock hard table top varnish, Valspar or
anything else he had experience in and believed in.
And for those of us who were lucky enough to know him well - I called
him my, "Udder Brudder Paul," - he had the same compassionate, caring,
yet no bullshit approach to friendship. We spoke weekly, and on one
auspicious occasion, he invented a business trip to come to L.A.,
basically just to see how the hell I was doing. I think the real
reason was that he wanted to have a go at the vaunted #8 in my shop.
We hung out like a coupla 10-year olds with our insect collections
(only with much larger bills).
Though it was way too short, I am grateful for the time Paul had with
us here on this planet. Who am I kidding? He's still there in my
shop, everytime I put a brush in the shellac and make it land and take
off like an airplane, every time I work towards an edge, every time I
pick up his old MF #18C (corrugated Millers Falls fore plance, Jeff)
and put it to work.
The pain of separation from someone like a brother will always be
there. Ya don't get over it - you get by. But it's nothing compared
to the joy in knowing you've literally been touched by wooddorking
angel.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Good-bye Paul. I'm doing ok.
Humbly submitted,
O'Deen
"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, [email protected] (Ray Kinzler)
> wrote:
>
> >A lot of times in life, it is more wise to 'be nice' than to be right.
>
> That's NEVER been true!!
Wrong again. It's this insistence on being right that carries these
ridiculous threads in a long caravan straight into the crapper.
"Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving."
Anonymous
So I'll shut up. Please join me.
Bob
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Tom, here are a few observations from a "bully".
>
> pot.kettle.black
>
> YOU are the one who carries on and on about how horrible
> your fellow man is. You have a few kind words to say about
> a few of your buddies, but by and large you seem quite the
> malcontent and rabble rouser (sort of like me!). To put it
> bluntly: you BITCH TOO MUCH. No wonder I refer to you as
> Tommy WasteOne. You are a big crybaby. You act like the
> Wreck is for YOUR amusement only. Wake up, whiner.
>
> You damaged your rep severely with the tirade you directed
> towards me a few months back. I don't mind a few jabs once
> in a while (ala JOAT style or some other less obsessed
> types), but your unrelenting crap was pathetic for it's show
> of the obsessive interest you take in me. Why does my name
> EVER show up in your posts, Tommy? The fact that you
> mentioned shunning clearly displays your holier than thou
> attitude, which is why at this juncture, just in case I
> forgot to mention it sometime in the past 2 years, "Tommy,
> you are a true ASSHOLE". aaaah! I feel much better! :)
>
> You are the type of whining crybaby that can dish volumes of
> caustic comments and then get all uppity and dismayed when
> some poor soul has the temerity to hurl a few justified
> insults your way. Guess what I think of you Tommy? You are
> a windbag who's had the good fortune to successfully
> entertain the good ole boys club that congregates here to
> bolster each other's sagging egos. I come on here for TWO
> purposes; to discuss woodworking when there's something of
> interest for me (lately there hasn't been as my large
> projects have been put on hold for months) and to watch the
> train wreck known, surprising enough as the "Wreck".
>
> I'd be delighted to the nth degree if you filter me out for
> the rest of time.
>
> For god's sakes, Tommy boy; how many times did you refer to
> me--about 5 or 6? You are a contradiction in terms. Forget
> about me, boy.
>
> Quit lamenting old times and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! YOU are
> part of the problem you whine about so much.
>
> dave
>
> Tom Watson wrote:
>
> > There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
> >
> > There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
> >
> > There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
> > Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
> >
> > O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
> >
> > Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
> >
> > Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
> > way.
> >
> > JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
> >
> > Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
> >
> > C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
> > enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
> > so well.
> >
> > Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
> > thought was funny as hell.
> >
> > Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
> > like he's worn out, too.
> >
> > What do I have now?
> >
> > Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
> > lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
> > of involvement.
> >
> > What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
> >
> > I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
> > that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
> >
> > We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
> > Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
> > Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
> > what it should be.
> >
> > Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
> > enjoy?
> >
> > I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
> > shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
> > that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
> >
> > I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
> > ignoring the assholes.
> >
> > There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
> > tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
> >
> > There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
> > learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
> > experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
> >
> > But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
> > unreflective gathering of nanominds.
> >
> > I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
> >
> > I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
> > never used in this place before.
> >
> > I'll give you my pledge.
> >
> > I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
> > show up referenced in other posts.
> >
> > I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
> > when I really loved being here.
> >
> > I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
> >
> > Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
> > since I have been here.
> >
> > Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
> > intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
> > Bennett.
> >
> > BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
> > should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
> > that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
> >
> > I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
> >
> > Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> > I can and encourage where I can't.
> >
> > I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> > much.
> >
> > If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom.
> >
> > Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> > tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> > http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
Treat yourself and your entire family to awesome nipple treatment by
nipple-specialist Bay Area Dave and his slut.
You have not lived until you have experienced this.
Here is a photo of Bay Area Dave's slut-
http://www.valley-girl.net/shepost3/urj5c030.jpg
"mattzack2" wrote in message ...
> Thanks, Tom. Even though I am relatively new to this group, I have been
> pretty disapointed to watch its deterioration.
That's absolute and total BS, IMO ... if you don't believe it, take a trip
through the archives sometime. The names may have changed, but the BS
remains cyclically the same.
>Not many folks enjoy the low
> signal to noise ratio in here lately.
Someone forces you to read every post? To put it kindly, those too enfeebled
to not filter/skip what they consider noise deserve exactly what they get.
> It used to be a great place to come to
> listen and learn about woodworking.
It still is ... this crap about how wonderful it "used to be" is just that.
Folks always have a tendency to look back and exalt those who came before,
whether they deserve it or not. Problem is, some of the exalted start
believing their own press and begin the periodic cycle of convincing the
gullible how things have changed for the worse ... don't it believe it for a
minute.
_You_ have total control over how much you benefit from any forum, online or
not ... you can be one of the gullible who find it easier to perpetuate the
myth, or you can take the bull by the shorts and make it work for you.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/15/04
Thanks, Tom. Even though I am relatively new to this group, I have been
pretty disapointed to watch its deterioration. Not many folks enjoy the low
signal to noise ratio in here lately. It used to be a great place to come to
listen and learn about woodworking.
I agree with a lot of what you say. Keep your fingers crossed that things
will get better. That's all you can do.
Matt
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>
> There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>
> There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
> Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>
> O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>
> Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
>
> Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
> way.
>
> JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
>
> Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
>
> C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
> enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
> so well.
>
> Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
> thought was funny as hell.
>
> Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
> like he's worn out, too.
>
> What do I have now?
>
> Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
> lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
> of involvement.
>
> What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
> I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
> that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
>
> We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
> Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
> Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
> what it should be.
>
> Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
> enjoy?
>
> I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
> shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
> that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
>
> I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
> ignoring the assholes.
>
> There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
> tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
>
> There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
> learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
> experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
>
> But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
> unreflective gathering of nanominds.
>
> I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
>
> I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
> never used in this place before.
>
> I'll give you my pledge.
>
> I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
> show up referenced in other posts.
>
> I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
> when I really loved being here.
>
> I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
>
> Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
> since I have been here.
>
> Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
> intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
> Bennett.
>
> BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
> should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
> that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
>
> I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
>
> Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> I can and encourage where I can't.
>
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
>
> If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
"JG" wrote in message
>
> Swingman wrote:
>
> > "JG" wrote in message:
> >
> >>Wm Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> [email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
> >>>
> >>>The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
> >>
> >>Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
> >
> >
> > But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.
>
> Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?
"No man was more foolish when he had not a pen in his hand, or more wise
when he had."
--
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Last update: 5/15/04
George wrote:
> Ah you forgot Spokeshave
Thanks <blush> I'm back here again....
But most folks wouldn't recognize me anymore, now that I got my knees
fixed, lost 50+ pounds, quit smoking, started taking 20 mg of value per
day, got Laid off from Cabletron 2 years ago, went into Law Enforcement.
--
John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
http://www.shavings.net/images/Memphis/reflect_john.jpg
well let's see...Watson STARTED this stupid thread. Ergo,
HE must be the troll. I'm betting YOU think it's mattzack2,
huh? You should spread the cheer around a bit; let everyone
else bask in the glow.
dave
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:08:19 GMT, mattzack2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Did someone force you to read mine?
>>Why don't you follow your own advice?
>>Go make some sawdust, and lighten up.
>
>
> Great, now we've got people complaining about the people complaining about
> the people complaining about the troll. I'm sure all this attention is
> giving him exactly the stimulation he's after.
>
Did someone force you to read mine?
Why don't you follow your own advice?
Go make some sawdust, and lighten up.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "mattzack2" wrote in message
>
> > Your reply is typical of the noise I'm talking about.
>
> No one forced you to read it ... hit the Next key if you don't like it.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 5/15/04
>
>
>
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>><dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
>>
>>I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.
>>
>>Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.
>>
>>That made me feel better.
>
>
> I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
> tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering <sigh>.
>
> -Doug
I plan on being shot in the back by a jealous husband at the age of 119.
j4
Your reply is typical of the noise I'm talking about.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "mattzack2" wrote in message ...
> > Thanks, Tom. Even though I am relatively new to this group, I have been
> > pretty disapointed to watch its deterioration.
>
> That's absolute and total BS, IMO ... if you don't believe it, take a trip
> through the archives sometime. The names may have changed, but the BS
> remains cyclically the same.
>
> >Not many folks enjoy the low
> > signal to noise ratio in here lately.
>
> Someone forces you to read every post? To put it kindly, those too
enfeebled
> to not filter/skip what they consider noise deserve exactly what they get.
>
> > It used to be a great place to come to
> > listen and learn about woodworking.
>
> It still is ... this crap about how wonderful it "used to be" is just
that.
> Folks always have a tendency to look back and exalt those who came before,
> whether they deserve it or not. Problem is, some of the exalted start
> believing their own press and begin the periodic cycle of convincing the
> gullible how things have changed for the worse ... don't it believe it for
a
> minute.
>
> _You_ have total control over how much you benefit from any forum, online
or
> not ... you can be one of the gullible who find it easier to perpetuate
the
> myth, or you can take the bull by the shorts and make it work for you.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 5/15/04
>
>
Simple; because they have no SELF CONTROL!
dave
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, Ray Kinzler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>For crying out loud, Dave...there is no need for this.
>
>
> Killfiles are a wonderful thing. Why do people respond to BAD?
>
"JG" wrote in message:
>
> Wm Jones wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
> >
> > The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
>
> Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/15/04
Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
Agreed.
--
Bill
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Tommy,
> you are a true ASSHOLE".
Hey Homer....Fuck you, doggie! Bite me.
--
Bill
basically, it means he is still in a pissing contest with
himself, as he isn't going to be in one with me much longer...
dave
Trent© wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2004 01:32:09 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>>
>>Agreed.
>
>
> Good start...both you guys :(
>
> Nice post by Tom...but I wonder what it means.
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent©
>
> Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
>
> I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.
>
> Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.
>
> That made me feel better.
I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering <sigh>.
-Doug
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
Wm Jones wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
>
>
>>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
>
>
> The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
--
John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
http://www.shavings.net/images/Memphis/reflect_john.jpg
For crying out loud, Dave...there is no need for this.
You are doing the exact thing that you say you are against. What kind
of water does that hold?!
Also, you mentioned that Tom's reputation was tainted because of
something he wrote a while back...with whom? You? Well, obviously,
but with whom else?
Honestly, there have been several people here recently that sound like
a bunch of 15-year-old girls having a spat in the girl's bathroom at
school.
Dave, you can say some people have been ganging up on you but you make
it to darn easy.
A lot of times in life, it is more wise to 'be nice' than to be right.
See what I mean, Dave?
Maybe I should re-word what I said. Maybe I should have said:
Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right. And sometimes it
is better to be quiet than to poke the coals.
I think it is time that we listened to what good old mom said so many
years ago: If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all.
All this schoolgirl stuff is ludicrous. I get more than I can stand
when my daughter has a bunch of her ten-year-old friends over the
house. Crikkies!
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Simple; because they have no SELF CONTROL!
>
> dave
>
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
> > On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, Ray Kinzler <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>For crying out loud, Dave...there is no need for this.
> >
> >
> > Killfiles are a wonderful thing. Why do people respond to BAD?
> >
"Patrick Olguin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Humbly submitted,
...and read, slowly.
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
> enjoy?
>
> I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
> shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
> that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
Bull crap! Bull crap!!!
I followed your advice. He doesn't exist, to me.
You let him get under your skin, that's all.
Maybe it's easier for me since my kids are still preschoolers. My practice
is proll'y more recent than yours.
>
> I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
> never used in this place before.
>
I had the same epiphany in my reply to a sh*thead. I'd never say those
horrible, mean things to someone's face. Yet I found the anonymity and
ubiquity of the 'net an excuse to say things I should have left rattling in
my brain.
Grandma used to talk about "all you're doing is lowering yourself to their
level."
I'm damned ashamed to admit it took a half-century for that to sink in.
I thought it was witty. It was just damned rude - and I'd be ashamed to see
my kids read what I wrote.
>
> Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> I can and encourage where I can't.
>
Don't you dare stop writing and posting your novellas.
Don't you dare!
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:27:15 GMT, JG <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
>> much.
>
>
>google:
>
>From: Bob D. ([email protected])
>Subject: Re: Ahoy the Turd Barge
>Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
>Date: 1999/08/16
>
>
>--
thank you for a good laugh... and to make it easier to get to:
http://tinyurl.com/yuz3v
MUCH recommended....
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
YES!
--
Nahmie
The first myth of management is that management exists.
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Ah you forgot Spokeshave and Larry Jaques (don't put a "c" in the last name,
he gets cranky), both of whom posted regular and useful advice back in the
mid to late 90's.
I look at the bulk of the posts today and shudder at how off topic or FAQed
they are compared to back then. The wreck was about fine woodworking and not
a general "It has a piece of wood somehwere in its construction so therefore
it goes to the wreck".
George Anderson
ps:What do ya'll do with all them beeman's wrappers :^)
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>
> There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>
> There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
> Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>
> O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>
> Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, at 51, I often wonder if I'll make it to 55.
> But I want high-speed corners and burnin' rubber all
> the way, please. (See Nahmie's old sig for that.)
That old thing?(My gawd, did I remember to save it?)
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:09:58 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
>much.
>
>If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
Tom,
As a "mostly" lurker, I agree with all that. In fact, I look forward
to more of your myth and lore.
With all the extraneous stuff on all the newsgroups I read, I still
find good information on most of them. The Wreck is my favorite,
though, because of the insight and humor to be found amongst the
noise.
Perhaps he whose name must not be written (hwnmnbw - unworthy of caps)
is merely indicative of the era we live in. In which case, the
cleansing of the air in The Wreck may start a movement that can
improve life in general.
jmac
Now enjoying my third cup of coffee.
Dito's
--
Mike S.
[email protected]
http://members.tripod.com/n0yii/woodworking.htm
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>
> There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>
> There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
> Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>
> O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>
> Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
>
> Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
> way.
>
> JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
>
> Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
>
> C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
> enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
> so well.
>
> Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
> thought was funny as hell.
>
> Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
> like he's worn out, too.
>
> What do I have now?
>
> Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
> lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
> of involvement.
>
> What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
> I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
> that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
>
> We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
> Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
> Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
> what it should be.
>
> Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
> enjoy?
>
> I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
> shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
> that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
>
> I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
> ignoring the assholes.
>
> There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
> tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
>
> There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
> learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
> experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
>
> But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
> unreflective gathering of nanominds.
>
> I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
>
> I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
> never used in this place before.
>
> I'll give you my pledge.
>
> I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
> show up referenced in other posts.
>
> I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
> when I really loved being here.
>
> I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
>
> Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
> since I have been here.
>
> Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
> intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
> Bennett.
>
> BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
> should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
> that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
>
> I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
>
> Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> I can and encourage where I can't.
>
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
>
> If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
I wish more would adopt the same ethic/wreck etiquette, maybe we could
start concentrating on WWing again. (With the occasional amusing or
thoughtful OT post to keep it interesting). See how long it lasts, Tom.
Mark L.
Tom Watson wrote:
<snippage maximus>
>
> Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> I can and encourage where I can't.
>
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
>
> If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:40:08 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'll give you my pledge.
>>
>> I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
>> show up referenced in other posts.
>>
>> I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
>> when I really loved being here.
>
>'Bout time...
>
>Thanks, Tom.
>
>djb
mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Thank you, David.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
On 2 Jun 2004 01:32:09 GMT, Woodchuck Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
>Agreed.
Good start...both you guys :(
Nice post by Tom...but I wonder what it means.
Have a nice week...
Trent©
Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:09:58 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
Lots of snippage
>
>BAD just wants to draw attention to himself -
Very true.
And he doesn't seem to care if the attention is negative.
In fact he encourages negativity.
If shunned will he get into a flame war with his own sockpuppets?
Lets find out.
Zeke
Change com to net for e-mail
On 2 Jun 2004 04:45:28 -0700, [email protected] (Ray Kinzler)
wrote:
>A lot of times in life, it is more wise to 'be nice' than to be right.
That's NEVER been true!!
Have a nice week...
Trent©
Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:09:58 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>
>There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>
>There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
>Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>
>O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>
>Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
>
>Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
>way.
>
>JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
>
>Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
>
>C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
>enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
>so well.
>
>Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
>thought was funny as hell.
>
>Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
>like he's worn out, too.
>
I remember most of these also! and they are sorely missed!
>What do I have now?
>
a lot less!
>Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
>lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
>of involvement.
>
I for one, only lurk recently because it seems when i try to help
someone i am badmouthed for some simple shit like punctuation and
spelling. yes my typing skills are limited but hey i been just a dumb
carpenter most of my life so i aing gonna appoligize for it .
>What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
yup.
>I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
>that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
>
uh huh. ask a question and then argue about the response he gets!
>We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
>Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
>Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
>what it should be.
>
glad to see they finaly left.
>Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
>enjoy?
>
possible yes but probly not likely. we can have hope though...
>I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
>shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
>that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
>
>I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
>ignoring the assholes.
>
good advise.
>There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
>tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
>
>There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
>learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
>experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
>
the times they are a changin. dammit!
>But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
>unreflective gathering of nanominds.
>
yup
>I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
>
I for one dont see you in that way. I like your storries and even
learn a few things from it now and then and i dont mean just about
wooddorking! hope you aint plannin on leavin any time soon!!!
>I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
>never used in this place before.
>
we all have. as i said the times they are a changin.
>I'll give you my pledge.
>
>I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
>show up referenced in other posts.
>
>I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
>when I really loved being here.
>
here here!! what say yas all?
>I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
>
>Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
>since I have been here.
>
just ignore him when he gets stupid. i do.
>Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
>intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
>Bennett.
>
hehehehehehe
>BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
>should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
>that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
>
>I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
>
yup
>Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
>I can and encourage where I can't.
>
please do feel free.
>I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
>much.
>
we can only hope!
>If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
>
ah stick around! these twits aint gonna run me off and you shouldnt
let em run you off either!
skeez
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Tom.
>
>Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
>tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
><dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
>
>I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.
>
>Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.
>
>That made me feel better.
>
>
I'm gonna live forever.
So far, things are goin' well!
Have a nice week...
Trent©
Dyslexics of the world ... UNTIE !
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
google:
From: Bob D. ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Ahoy the Turd Barge
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Date: 1999/08/16
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's absolute and total BS, IMO ... if you don't believe it, take a trip
> through the archives sometime. The names may have changed, but the BS
> remains cyclically the same.
Could not agree more. The crap comes and goes just like the tide.
I think the old timers have A. Either gotten tired of reading the same
questions and answers over and overn and over. or B. Become too old to
remember how to find or use the news group. ;~)
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:39:25 GMT, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> stated wide-eyed, with arms akimbo:
>On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:04:48 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:19:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>45 tomorrow. A third of my life gone. Sigh...
45 Canuckistani? How many American years is that?
>> I thought that, too - when I turned fifty.
>>
>> Then I decided to live to be a hundred and fifty.
>>
>> That made me feel better.
>
>I tried that too as I careen towards 60, but my body
>tells me NFW. Too much high speed cornering <sigh>.
Yeah, at 51, I often wonder if I'll make it to 55.
But I want high-speed corners and burnin' rubber all
the way, please. (See Nahmie's old sig for that.)
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Tom, here are a few observations from a "bully".
pot.kettle.black
YOU are the one who carries on and on about how horrible
your fellow man is. You have a few kind words to say about
a few of your buddies, but by and large you seem quite the
malcontent and rabble rouser (sort of like me!). To put it
bluntly: you BITCH TOO MUCH. No wonder I refer to you as
Tommy WasteOne. You are a big crybaby. You act like the
Wreck is for YOUR amusement only. Wake up, whiner.
You damaged your rep severely with the tirade you directed
towards me a few months back. I don't mind a few jabs once
in a while (ala JOAT style or some other less obsessed
types), but your unrelenting crap was pathetic for it's show
of the obsessive interest you take in me. Why does my name
EVER show up in your posts, Tommy? The fact that you
mentioned shunning clearly displays your holier than thou
attitude, which is why at this juncture, just in case I
forgot to mention it sometime in the past 2 years, "Tommy,
you are a true ASSHOLE". aaaah! I feel much better! :)
You are the type of whining crybaby that can dish volumes of
caustic comments and then get all uppity and dismayed when
some poor soul has the temerity to hurl a few justified
insults your way. Guess what I think of you Tommy? You are
a windbag who's had the good fortune to successfully
entertain the good ole boys club that congregates here to
bolster each other's sagging egos. I come on here for TWO
purposes; to discuss woodworking when there's something of
interest for me (lately there hasn't been as my large
projects have been put on hold for months) and to watch the
train wreck known, surprising enough as the "Wreck".
I'd be delighted to the nth degree if you filter me out for
the rest of time.
For god's sakes, Tommy boy; how many times did you refer to
me--about 5 or 6? You are a contradiction in terms. Forget
about me, boy.
Quit lamenting old times and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! YOU are
part of the problem you whine about so much.
dave
Tom Watson wrote:
> There was once a day when I could read the thoughts of Patrick Leach.
>
> There was once a day that I could read the thoughts of Walt Akers.
>
> There was a once, too long ago, that I could glean the wisdom of
> Paully Rad (r.i.p.).
>
> O'Deen used to post every day, maybe every other day.
>
> Duke of Urls was right there beside him.
>
> Charlie Self fielded every intelligent question that was thrown his
> way.
>
> JOAT only asked that nobody emailed him.
>
> Tommy Plamann was seen around here, frequently.
>
> C-Less would sing the praises of whatever finish or technique he was
> enamored of, of the moment - and it didn't matter, because he did it
> so well.
>
> Bitch Slap Bob wrote some most entertaining stuff, most of which I
> thought was funny as hell.
>
> Shit, I used to enjoy LRod defending Norm to the death, but it seems
> like he's worn out, too.
>
> What do I have now?
>
> Most of the intelligent and interesting people have been driven into
> lurkdom, or some lesser form of same which shows up as a lesser form
> of involvement.
>
> What I have now is Bay Area Dave, who is a worthless piece of shit.
>
> I have jclarke, who spends a great deal of time on the ADD ng, and
> that is totally appropriate for him. I just wish he would stay there.
>
> We've suffered through the Woodpecker infestation, the Man In The
> Doorway troll, the Doggie Conspiracy, The Age of Bennett, The Living
> Turd, the This and the That, that makes our Wreck experience less than
> what it should be.
>
> Is it even possible to return the group to a level that we can all
> enjoy?
>
> I'll admit - I wrote off Bay Area Dave, and said that he should be
> shunned. I should have followed my own recommendation. It's just
> that he is a bully - and I hate to see a bully go unchallenged.
>
> I'm actually coming around to the position of C-Less, and really
> ignoring the assholes.
>
> There was, in times past, a forum for the trading and dissemination of
> tidbits of knowledge, of the wooddorking sort.
>
> There was, in times past, a place where we could all hang out and
> learn from each other - tell our jokes - spin our yarns -share our
> experiences in the moaning chair - just be wooddorkers, ya know.
>
> But we have become a cesspool of mindless argumentation - an
> unreflective gathering of nanominds.
>
> I will admit to being among the most culpable in this regard.
>
> I have found myself replying with language and logic that I would have
> never used in this place before.
>
> I'll give you my pledge.
>
> I'll killfile the usual assholes and not respond to them when they
> show up referenced in other posts.
>
> I will use my best efforts to return the Wreck to the state it was in,
> when I really loved being here.
>
> I do want to say this before embracing my abstinence:
>
> Bay Area Dave is the single most destructive force to hit the Wreck,
> since I have been here.
>
> Bennett was actually entertaining, because he was half-assed
> intelligent. There were some good threads started in response to
> Bennett.
>
> BAD just wants to draw attention to himself - in such a way that
> should make any thinking person sad, and fearful of the possibility
> that he might be overcome by such a monster of pathology.
>
> I suppose, that he is more to be pitied than reviled.
>
> Tomorrow, I will begin posting only happy thoughts. I will help where
> I can and encourage where I can't.
>
> I'd like the Wreck to go back to that happy state that I enjoyed so
> much.
>
> If it doesn't - I have books to read and write.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
In article <[email protected]>,
JG <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wm Jones wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
> >
> >
> > The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
>
> Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
>
> --
> John G. in Memphis, TN Have a nice......... night.
> http://www.shavings.net/images/Memphis/reflect_john.jpg
>
Your point is exactly correct.
The treasonous, "bi-partisan" false-elite must be brought to justice by
The People.
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
> Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
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POB 250121 Atlanta GA 30325
404/626-2840
Swingman wrote:
> "JG" wrote in message
>
>>Swingman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"JG" wrote in message:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wm Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>[email protected] (Ray Kinzler) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sometimes it is better to be quiet than to be right.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only requirement for evil to triumph is that the good do nothing.
>>>>
>>>>Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
>>>
>>>
>>>But evil is wrought by want of thought, As well as want of heart.
>>
>>Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?
>
>
> "No man was more foolish when he had not a pen in his hand, or more wise
> when he had."
>
All involutory collineations are harmonic homologies.