Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "js"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am
>> a bit concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a
>> woodstove for heat, and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I
>> looking at a fire hazard here?
>>
> Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because
> of fine
> airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in
> the
> first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
>
> Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
> rooms.
I respectfully disagree. This has been debunked many times and a simple
google search will reveal ample converstion on this very topic. Your
woodshop will not generate the concentration of particulates necessary for
combustion. Woodstoves, open pilot light furnaces, etc. exist in woodshops
all over the place and there are just no substantiating cases of fires,
explosions, etc. If this were truely a problem, you'd be at equal risk from
the spark that occurs everytime you throw a common household light switch in
the garage. Those that continue to advocate that a woodstove can be a
source of explosion due to airborne dust seem to overlook that little spark
that eminates from their light switch.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 4 May 2004 09:00:52 -0400, Stephen M
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Yeah, he should use a thin kerf blade to make less dust. Not to mention
>> the
>>> savings in wood cost.
>>
>> Better still: the negative kerf blade, and that does double-duty as a a dust
>> collector.
>
>OOOooo, I like those, but have a hard time finding a good supplier.
>Any suggestions? I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for
>the right situation.
>
do they include installation?
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:55:19 GMT, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It looks like such an obvious hazard to me. But you do have a point about
>them coexisting for years. Wasn't any dust collection back in the day, and
>they only had wood or coal to keep em warm.
Didn't have power tools making fine dust though.
And in the 19th century, exploding workshops _were_ a hazard.
--
Smert' spamionam
In article <[email protected]>, "js" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
>concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for heat,
>and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
>here?
>
Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because of fine
airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in the
first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different rooms.
--
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BS. Before I ever got a DC, I hqd dust flying from my TS, Router and
plqner while I was heating the shop with a woodburning stove.
The dust consintration is not high enough to cause an explosion or
spntainous combustion.
IF the dust consintration ever got high enough to create a fire by
spontainous combustion, you would not want to be in the room. AND IF
YOU WERE NOT IN THE ROOM, NO DUST WOUKD BE MADE,.
Makes you wonder what kind of heat was used on mills before there was
electricity?
=3D=3D
Re: Dangers of wood stove in shop without dust collection
Group: rec.woodworking Date: Mon, May 3, 2004, 12:31pm (MDT+6) From:
[email protected] (Doug=A0Miller)
In article <[email protected]>, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a
bit concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove
for heat, and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a
fire hazard here?
Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because of
fine airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected
in the first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
rooms.
--
Regards,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Doug Miller
(alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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I recently read about storing finishes in a cabinet with a 60W bulb and
a thermostat to keep them at a stable temperature. This would seem to
be a much more economical solution than using an electric heater to keep
the whole finishing area warm.
-Rick
js wrote:
> You bring up a very good point here Mike. The front part of my shop is a
> separate room, and I saw thinking of using it as a finishing room. I think
> an electric heater is the way to go for that part of the shop to keep
> finishes from freezing. excellent point.
>
J. Clarke wrote:
> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:14:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
>>>gunpowder explode?
>>
>>How many instances do you want ? If you live in an older city, go
>>and look in your local records - you're bound to find them. How about
>>Boston and the infamous Molasses Tsunami ? Or Gateshead, where
>>molten lead from the roof fire spilt down onto picric acid used for
>>dyeing, and the resultant lead picrate explosive demolished half of
>>the quayside.
>
>
> Which incident has about the same relevance to the issue of woodstoves in
> wood shops as does Chernobyl.
>
Well...after Chernobyl, I did rule out having a Russian made nuclear
reactor in my home wood shop. :)
Tim
--
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:07:17 GMT, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Am I looking at a fire hazard
>here?
Only if your dust collector isn't grounded. Oops! Wrong thread! <G>
I would do it, but I wouldn't use solvent based finishes or glues
while it was lit. I'd also be picky about where the stove was located
compared to major dust generators, like router tables, power saws, and
sanders. Care should be taken to keep the area around the stove, and
the stove itself, clean. I have an oil-fired furnace in my shop right
now, complete with internal open flame.
Just 'cuz I would do it, dosen't mean you should. It's not my fault
if you blow up.
Barry
On the other hand, wood stoves and wood shops have peacefully coexisted for
hundreds of years. Dust explosions in the air require incredibly high dust
concentrations. The dust levels are so high breathing would not be
possible. I had a stove in my shop for many years. A few simple rules: Do
not run the stove hard (hot) if you are not there watching it, Clean the
stack annually and follow code for installation.
Dave
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
> >concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
heat,
> >and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
> >here?
> >
> Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because of
fine
> airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in the
> first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
>
> Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
rooms.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
> For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
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>
>
To see how our perception on hazard has changed over time Watch the
1890's house the next time it is on PBS. After restoring the house to
the condition its was in 1890 and with the 1890 appliances, they had a
very difficult time in getting the regulator to permit people to live
today with those items.
For combustion to occur the combustible to air ratio has to be in very
tight limits.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, "js"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am
>>>a bit concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a
>>>woodstove for heat, and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I
>>>looking at a fire hazard here?
>>>
>>
>>Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because
>>of fine
>>airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in
>>the
>>first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
>>
>>Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
>>rooms.
>
>
> I respectfully disagree. This has been debunked many times and a simple
> google search will reveal ample converstion on this very topic. Your
> woodshop will not generate the concentration of particulates necessary for
> combustion. Woodstoves, open pilot light furnaces, etc. exist in woodshops
> all over the place and there are just no substantiating cases of fires,
> explosions, etc. If this were truely a problem, you'd be at equal risk from
> the spark that occurs everytime you throw a common household light switch in
> the garage. Those that continue to advocate that a woodstove can be a
> source of explosion due to airborne dust seem to overlook that little spark
> that eminates from their light switch.
>
You bring up a very good point here Mike. The front part of my shop is a
separate room, and I saw thinking of using it as a finishing room. I think
an electric heater is the way to go for that part of the shop to keep
finishes from freezing. excellent point.
"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As far as fire hazards, with reasonable caution and good house keeping,
not
> particularly.
>
> Now if you are talking trouble with finishes, glues, possibly rust and if
> you live somewhere where the shop will go below freezing regularly you'd
> best be thinking about what to do with them. For the most part they don't
> fair well at low temperatures.
>
> Also keep in mind that if you crank up the woodstove and shop is warm and
> toasty it doesn't mean the various items and liquids in the shop have
> reached good working temperatures.
>
> Congratulations on the house and shop.
>
> --
> Mike G.
> [email protected]
> Heirloom Woods
> www.heirloom-woods.net
> "js" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a
bit
> > concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
> heat,
> > and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
> > here?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"js" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
> concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
heat,
> and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
> here?
I'd not worry about the dust collection as much as solvents and the fumes
from them.
One big caution. Wood stoves may be cool because it has not been burned for
a day, but the can still be a hot coal or two under the ashes. You may
think you are safe and start using a solvent based finish and BOOM ! ! !
If you are using a kerosene or propane heater you know the flame is out.
Wood or coal, not so.
FWIW, solid fueled heaters are not allowed (National Fire Code) in garages
attached to a house. You may have other local code issues.
Ed
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Dave W"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On the other hand, wood stoves and wood shops have peacefully
>> coexisted for hundreds of years. Dust explosions in the air require
>> incredibly high dust concentrations. The dust levels are so high
>> breathing would not be possible. I had a stove in my shop for many
>> years. A few simple rules: Do not run the stove hard (hot) if you
>> are not there watching it, Clean the stack annually and follow code
>> for installation.
>
> Combustible material in the presence of flame is an obvious fire
> hazard.
> Who said anything about explosion?
I think some of us saw that as implied in your original reply Doug. Your
reply below would seem to only apply to explosion since airborne dust
burning is not a very realistic concern.
>>> Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system,
>>> because of
>> fine
>>> airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected
>>> in the first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>, "Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On the other hand, wood stoves and wood shops have peacefully coexisted for
>hundreds of years. Dust explosions in the air require incredibly high dust
>concentrations. The dust levels are so high breathing would not be
>possible. I had a stove in my shop for many years. A few simple rules: Do
>not run the stove hard (hot) if you are not there watching it, Clean the
>stack annually and follow code for installation.
Combustible material in the presence of flame is an obvious fire hazard.
Who said anything about explosion?
>Dave
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, "js"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
>> >concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
>heat,
>> >and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
>> >here?
>> >
>> Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because of
>fine
>> airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in the
>> first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
>>
>> Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
>rooms.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>>
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>> send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
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>>
>>
>
>
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Glad I could help.
Back when I lived in Montana my shop was heated with a wood stove but had no
separate room. I just made up a box large enough to carry the glue and
finishes and kept it in the heated bunk house till the shop reached a
reasonable temperature.
A pain but it worked. Of course when the last of the kids moved out the bunk
house became the shop. Much nicer.
Good luck.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"js" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You bring up a very good point here Mike. The front part of my shop is a
> separate room, and I saw thinking of using it as a finishing room. I think
> an electric heater is the way to go for that part of the shop to keep
> finishes from freezing. excellent point.
>
> "Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > As far as fire hazards, with reasonable caution and good house keeping,
> not
> > particularly.
> >
> > Now if you are talking trouble with finishes, glues, possibly rust and
if
> > you live somewhere where the shop will go below freezing regularly you'd
> > best be thinking about what to do with them. For the most part they
don't
> > fair well at low temperatures.
> >
> > Also keep in mind that if you crank up the woodstove and shop is warm
and
> > toasty it doesn't mean the various items and liquids in the shop have
> > reached good working temperatures.
> >
> > Congratulations on the house and shop.
> >
> > --
> > Mike G.
> > [email protected]
> > Heirloom Woods
> > www.heirloom-woods.net
> > "js" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a
> bit
> > > concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
> > heat,
> > > and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire
hazard
> > > here?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Only if your dust collector isn't grounded. Oops! Wrong thread! <G>
>
Yeah, he should use a thin kerf blade to make less dust. Not to mention the
savings in wood cost.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
As far as fire hazards, with reasonable caution and good house keeping, not
particularly.
Now if you are talking trouble with finishes, glues, possibly rust and if
you live somewhere where the shop will go below freezing regularly you'd
best be thinking about what to do with them. For the most part they don't
fair well at low temperatures.
Also keep in mind that if you crank up the woodstove and shop is warm and
toasty it doesn't mean the various items and liquids in the shop have
reached good working temperatures.
Congratulations on the house and shop.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"js" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
> concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
heat,
> and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
> here?
>
>
>
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Remember wood stove's where the only =
source of heat for many hundreds of years and people still did wood =
working in heated shops. Obvious precautions should be taken like not =
storing wood too close to the stove ect.
Puff
"js" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a =
bit
> concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for =
heat,
> and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire =
hazard
> here?
>=20
>=20
>
js wrote:
> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
> concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for heat,
> and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
> here?
>
>
>
It depends on the ratio of hand tools to power tools you use and how
messy you are. My grandfather had a wood stove in his woodshop for 50+
years and never had a fire. He was very neat and was afraid of power
tools too. :)
Tim
--
No BoomBoom for me! - [email protected]
It looks like such an obvious hazard to me. But you do have a point about
them coexisting for years. Wasn't any dust collection back in the day, and
they only had wood or coal to keep em warm.
"Dave W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On the other hand, wood stoves and wood shops have peacefully coexisted
for
> hundreds of years. Dust explosions in the air require incredibly high
dust
> concentrations. The dust levels are so high breathing would not be
> possible. I had a stove in my shop for many years. A few simple rules:
Do
> not run the stove hard (hot) if you are not there watching it, Clean the
> stack annually and follow code for installation.
> Dave
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, "js"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a
bit
> > >concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
> heat,
> > >and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire
hazard
> > >here?
> > >
> > Yes. And you might be, even *with* a dust collection system, because of
> fine
> > airborne dust that comes through the filters or is never collected in
the
> > first place (dust collection systems are not 100% effective).
> >
> > Best solution is to have the woodshop and the wood stove in different
> rooms.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
> >
> > For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> > send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
> > You must use your REAL email address to get a response.
> >
> >
>
>
js responds:
>It looks like such an obvious hazard to me. But you do have a point about
>them coexisting for years. Wasn't any dust collection back in the day, and
>they only had wood or coal to keep em warm.
>
I thought seriously about a woodstove in my shop a few years ago. I have a good
friend who runs ye olde basic woodstove, cleans the flue when he remembers (not
often), knocks the dust off the top when he lights the stove, has a pretty
close to code set-up, and has never had a single problem. It sometimes makes me
nervous.
I know another guy, nice guy but I don't know him well enough to call him a
friend. Interviewed James for Woodshop News some years ago and discovered his
shop had wood heat. You'd never know it: The stove is in the basement, almost
totally separate from the woodworking area. He is in the shop ever day, follows
every known care, and has never had a single problem.
You figure it out. I put in an electric furnace, free from a local HVAC dealer
who had pulled it out as he installed a completely new set-up for someone (this
is common, and sometimes the dealers have to pay to get rid of the stuff, so at
least check it out).
Charlie Self
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." Disraeli as
quoted by Mark Twain
js wrote:
> Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
> concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for
> heat, and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire
> hazard here?
No more than any other kind of direct heat. Gas, oil, or electric all
provide ignition sources. If you want to be completely safe from the risk
of having your heating system ignite the dust then you have to go with
steam or hot water or a heat pump without backup (regular electric heat
uses a red-hot filament, heat pumps don't get much if any any hotter than
the backside of an air conditioner).
Do keep the dust swept up, especially in the immediate vicinity of the
stove.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:55:19 GMT, "js"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It looks like such an obvious hazard to me. But you do have a point about
>>them coexisting for years. Wasn't any dust collection back in the day, and
>>they only had wood or coal to keep em warm.
>
> Didn't have power tools making fine dust though.
>
> And in the 19th century, exploding workshops _were_ a hazard.
So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
gunpowder explode?
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Sweet Sawdust wrote:
> Maybe not wood shops, but flour mills didn't even allow candles in the
> building.
>> >
>> > And in the 19th century, exploding workshops _were_ a hazard.
>>
>> So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
>> gunpowder explode?
A flour mill is not a "workshop", it's a "mill".
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:14:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
>>gunpowder explode?
>
> How many instances do you want ? If you live in an older city, go
> and look in your local records - you're bound to find them. How about
> Boston and the infamous Molasses Tsunami ? Or Gateshead, where
> molten lead from the roof fire spilt down onto picric acid used for
> dyeing, and the resultant lead picrate explosive demolished half of
> the quayside.
Which incident has about the same relevance to the issue of woodstoves in
wood shops as does Chernobyl.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Tue, 4 May 2004 09:00:52 -0400, Stephen M <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yeah, he should use a thin kerf blade to make less dust. Not to mention
> the
>> savings in wood cost.
>
> Better still: the negative kerf blade, and that does double-duty as a a dust
> collector.
OOOooo, I like those, but have a hard time finding a good supplier.
Any suggestions? I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for
the right situation.
Dave Hinz notes:
>On Tue, 4 May 2004 09:00:52 -0400, Stephen M <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>> Yeah, he should use a thin kerf blade to make less dust. Not to mention
>> the
>>> savings in wood cost.
>>
>> Better still: the negative kerf blade, and that does double-duty as a a
>dust
>> collector.
>
>OOOooo, I like those, but have a hard time finding a good supplier.
>Any suggestions? I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for
>the right situation.
Sorry. My S10 won't handle the weight.
Charlie Self
"The lust of avarice as so totally seized upon mankind that their wealth seems
rather to possess them than they possess their wealth." Pliny
On 04 May 2004 14:51:52 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz notes:
>
>>OOOooo, I like those, but have a hard time finding a good supplier.
>>Any suggestions? I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for
>>the right situation.
>
> Sorry. My S10 won't handle the weight.
How far away are you from me? I can deliver them in the loader, and
install them with the backhoe if you're close enough. They're a bit
crooked, but for most purposes they're fine.
Dave
Dave Hinz responds:
>On 04 May 2004 14:51:52 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz notes:
>>
>>>OOOooo, I like those, but have a hard time finding a good supplier.
>>>Any suggestions? I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for
>>>the right situation.
>>
>> Sorry. My S10 won't handle the weight.
>
>How far away are you from me? I can deliver them in the loader, and
>install them with the backhoe if you're close enough. They're a bit
>crooked, but for most purposes they're fine.
Ah, well, maybe I'm close enough. If so, I'll move away.
Charlie Self
"The lust of avarice as so totally seized upon mankind that their wealth seems
rather to possess them than they possess their wealth." Pliny
On Tue, 04 May 2004 18:55:04 +0000, Robert Bonomi <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for the right situation.
>
> do they include installation?
Nope, they're self-installing, but you've got to align them to north
(of course) before setting 'em.
Dave Hinz states:
>>>I'm willing to trade a truck load of postholes for the right situation.
>>
>> do they include installation?
>
>Nope, they're self-installing, but you've got to align them to north
>(of course) before setting 'em.
Deal killer. I'm moving back to Virginia where everything has to be aligned to
the south.
Charlie Self
"The lust of avarice as so totally seized upon mankind that their wealth seems
rather to possess them than they possess their wealth." Pliny
On 04 May 2004 20:45:35 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz states:
>
>>Nope, they're self-installing, but you've got to align them to north
>>(of course) before setting 'em.
>
> Deal killer. I'm moving back to Virginia where everything has to be aligned to
> the south.
Hm. These _are_ double-ended postholes, might they work if you turn
them upside-down?
Dave Hinz responds:
>>
>>>Nope, they're self-installing, but you've got to align them to north
>>>(of course) before setting 'em.
>>
>> Deal killer. I'm moving back to Virginia where everything has to be aligned
>to
>> the south.
>
>Hm. These _are_ double-ended postholes, might they work if you turn
>them upside-down?
>
I dunno. Does that realign them for north-south, or just Heaven-Hell?
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 04 May 2004 21:19:21 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz responds:
>>
>>>Hm. These _are_ double-ended postholes, might they work if you turn
>>>them upside-down?
>>
>> I dunno. Does that realign them for north-south, or just Heaven-Hell?
>
>Sorry, I don't debate religion on Usenet. How about gun control instead?
I'm *really* in favor of it. Strong gun control assures that you _hit_
what you're aiming at! :)
On 04 May 2004 21:19:21 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz responds:
>
>>Hm. These _are_ double-ended postholes, might they work if you turn
>>them upside-down?
>
> I dunno. Does that realign them for north-south, or just Heaven-Hell?
Sorry, I don't debate religion on Usenet. How about gun control instead?
Dave
Dave Hinz writes:
>On 04 May 2004 21:19:21 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz responds:
>>
>>>Hm. These _are_ double-ended postholes, might they work if you turn
>>>them upside-down?
>>
>> I dunno. Does that realign them for north-south, or just Heaven-Hell?
>
>Sorry, I don't debate religion on Usenet. How about gun control instead?
>
Oh, no. That's worse than religion (for a debate subject, guys, not as a
"thing").
People have been stabbed arguing over gun control.
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:07:17 GMT, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Am I looking at a fire hazard here?
Depends what sort of work you do. Neander-only is fine, a sawbench
wouldn't worry me, but if I was regularly routing MDF without dust
control I just wouldn't do it.
You may also find that local safety rules simply forbid woodstoves in
workshops.
--
Smert' spamionam
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:07:17 GMT, "js" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey folks. I'm moving into my new house ( and shop) next week. I am a bit
>concerned about the setup in my shop however. There is a woodstove for heat,
>and I do not have a dust collection setup. Am I looking at a fire hazard
>here?
no. I used to have a propane heater right next to the bandsaw with no DC. all
that happened was the sawdust that landed on it smoked. it takes a very dense
dust cloud to burn.
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:14:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
>gunpowder explode?
How many instances do you want ? If you live in an older city, go
and look in your local records - you're bound to find them. How about
Boston and the infamous Molasses Tsunami ? Or Gateshead, where
molten lead from the roof fire spilt down onto picric acid used for
dyeing, and the resultant lead picrate explosive demolished half of
the quayside.
--
Smert' spamionam
J. Clarke wrote:
> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:14:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So when did a work shop in the 1800s that was making something other than
>>>gunpowder explode?
>>
>>How many instances do you want ? If you live in an older city, go
>>and look in your local records - you're bound to find them. How about
>>Boston and the infamous Molasses Tsunami ? Or Gateshead, where
>>molten lead from the roof fire spilt down onto picric acid used for
>>dyeing, and the resultant lead picrate explosive demolished half of
>>the quayside.
>
>
> Which incident has about the same relevance to the issue of woodstoves in
> wood shops as does Chernobyl.
>
Well...after Chernobyl, I did rule out having a Russian made nuclear
reactor in my home wood shop. :)
Tim
--
No BoomBoom for me! - [email protected]
On Mon, 03 May 2004 15:29:13 GMT, Steve Knight <[email protected]> wrote:
>no. I used to have a propane heater right next to the bandsaw with no DC. all
>that happened was the sawdust that landed on it smoked. it takes a very dense
>dust cloud to burn.
Research I've read indicates that the particulate density required for a flame to propagate in a dust cloud is such that visibility
would only be about a meter. So, the rule of thumb I use is - If I can still see the far wall of the shop, the dust cloud won't
ignite. That doesn't say anything about solvent fumes, nor will I.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
Tom Veatch notes:
>
>Research I've read indicates that the particulate density required for a
>flame to propagate in a dust cloud is such that visibility
>would only be about a meter. So, the rule of thumb I use is - If I can still
>see the far wall of the shop, the dust cloud won't
>ignite. That doesn't say anything about solvent fumes, nor will I.
Yeah. Solvent fumes, except for water, tend to create a really nasty "foomp"
sound.
I recall seeing a buddy get ready to toss a few ounces of gasoline in a wood
stove. It worked, and he claimed he did it often, but I was outdoors waiting
before his arm got all the way to the release point.
Other solvents are even more volatile than gas. I'd find some other way to warm
the shop before finishing, I think. Propane and kerosene burners work well, and
can be shut down a few minutes before finishing work is started.
Charlie Self
"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today." Will Rogers
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:07:17 GMT, "js"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Am I looking at a fire hazard here?
>
> Depends what sort of work you do. Neander-only is fine, a sawbench
> wouldn't worry me, but if I was regularly routing MDF without dust
> control I just wouldn't do it.
MDF dust generated from common woodshop practices (sawing, sanding, etc.) is
far to granular and far too sparse in density to pose a fire/explosion risk.
Though... it is nasty stuff. Messy!!!!!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]