We are building a new home and I need to trim out the inside of our large
round top window. The window is 4'x7' overall, but the round portion of the
window is 4 feet wide with a 2' radius round top.
We are using cedar trim in our home, so I want the round trim to match the
rest of the wood.
I do not have a way to steam wood for bending, so I'm guessing I'll have to
run several cedar boards through my planer into thin boards I can bend
(hopefully without cracking). Then I'll have to laminate them somehow so
that I can end up with a 3/4" thickness (part of the edge will show).
Am I approaching this correctly? How thin should I plane the boards for
bending? What's the best way to laminate them?
Would there be any problem laminating the thin layer's in place? In other
words, can I bend and install the first board, then bend and install the
second, and so on...? It seems this would ensure the arch would fit the
opening perfectly, and eliminate having to build some kind of bending form.
Is there another option I'm not thinking of?
Thanks,
Anthony
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:24:06 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Can you get this at any place that sells appliances?
>
>http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303514305&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1071417893048&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443249459&assortment=primary
Newp.
>Everybody I know has one or one like it. Note the safety feature: it
>turns off when it boils dry. They are extremely useful, not just for
>bending wood. Filter coffee, tea, jello, and even pasta. I get my
>pasta water boiling much more quickly by only half-filling the pot,
>and running the kettle at the same time. As soon as the water in the
>kettle boils, pour it in the pot. I am curious: do you have one? Are
>they a common, easily available item or was my friend right?
Yes, they're common down here. Most probably shut off when they
start to boil, though. I don't have one so I can't say fer sher.
Mine's a stovetop model.
>There is, of course, also the LVT version:
>
>http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=42176&category=1%2C45866
That's definitely his best bet.
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In article <[email protected]>, HerHusband
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending,
A length of PVC pipe and a kettle is unobtainable for some reason?
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Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
> juvenile vandalism in 1773.
What does an eye-talian care anyway? :)
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:37:44 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
>> along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
>> juvenile vandalism in 1773.
>
>What does an eye-talian care anyway? :)
If you lived in 13' deep snow for 9 months of the year you'd know.
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This is a good method. I would use 3/4" stock wider than the finished trim
and miter it into several pieces approximating the finished radius. I would
use biscuits or slipnes on the miters and then use a jig saw or band saw to
cut the finished radius. Use the spokeshave or a spindle sander to clean it
up.
"Bubba" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Is there another option I'm not thinking of?
> >
>
>
> I think you have selected an approach that is a heck of a lot of work.
> Having the grain of the wood parallel the arc probably won't add THAT much
> to the esthetics.
>
>
>
> Why not just edge glue segments of 4-inch wide finished boards into a
blank
> for your arc; scribe the outlines of the arc; cut it out with a saber saw
> and clean it up with a spokeshave?
>
>
>
> Is there another option I'm not thinking of?
>
I think you have selected an approach that is a heck of a lot of work.
Having the grain of the wood parallel the arc probably won't add THAT much
to the esthetics.
Why not just edge glue segments of 4-inch wide finished boards into a blank
for your arc; scribe the outlines of the arc; cut it out with a saber saw
and clean it up with a spokeshave?
On 13-Dec-2003, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd use 1/4" thin stock, steam it using a PVP pipe (inexpensive), and
> place it into a form built from MDF to dry for several days. The
> curve should be slightly tighter than what you need to allow for some
> spring back. You can use an old tea kettle and a hot plate to generate
> the steam. When the laminates are dry, glue them together and allow
> to dry again.
Some people make steam boxes out of insulation (like styrofoam). Make
sure that there is a way for the steam to escape so that you get a good
flow over the wood.
Cedar is not a good wood for steam bending, so be prepared for a lot
of breakage even if you use 1/4 inch stock. The larger the radius, the
more likely you are to have success. You'll have to get really straight
grain with no runout. It would be best to use a strap to back the bent
pieces. You shouldn't need to keep them on a form for several days, they
will keep their shape after they cool a while.
Mike
Bubba,
> Why not just edge glue segments of 4-inch wide finished
> boards into a blank for your arc; scribe the outlines
> of the arc; cut it out with a saber saw and clean it up
> with a spokeshave?
I did something similar to this for the exterior trim and it worked well (I
used pocket screws on the backside to hold the trim together tightly). I'll
probably use the same approach for the interior casing around the window.
Phisherman,
> cut the cedar in arc pieces,
> then half lap (or scarf joint) them together.
I'll probably try a simple bending approach to see how that works and if
that fails I'll probably use something similar to what you mention. I
actually thought of this approach early on, but thought bending thin layers
might be easier. Live and learn... Ha. Ha.
Thanks for the input everyone!
Anthony Watson
[email protected]
> lots of thin slats. plywood form for the inside with lots of large
> holes drilled into the form about 2" from the edge. they used epoxy
> and lots of clamps to get the tack laminated onto the form. let sit
> for a couple of days. i think they started with 1/4" slats but i don't
> recall what the wood was.
Yesterday I bent my first piece of wood for the curved inside jamb of our
4'x7' round top window. I planed a piece of pine down to a 1/4" thickness
and carefully bent it into position inside the window framing. Because I
was only using this piece of wood to establish the curve for cutting the
drywall, insulating, etc. it didn't have to be pretty. So, I screwed it to
the framing members in a few places, adding a shim where necessary to
ensure that it had the curve I needed. My wife and I are both very happy
with the way it turned out.
When the time comes to install the actual trim, I'll use the same approach,
using two more 1/4" layers, and adding glue between the layers. I only need
a 1/2" total thickness to meet up with the window frame, and leaving a 1/4"
reveal around the edge should mask any differences in the layers.
Thanks for the feedback!
Anthony
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:43:04 GMT, "Michael Daly"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 14-Dec-2003, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, a non-electric kettle and hotplate would work.
>
>Wallpaper steamers produce more steam than most kettles.
>Popular with folks I know that do lots of steam bending.
>
I have rented a wallpaper steamer on every occasion for steam bending.
It is handy because it only needs one connection, at the far end of
the hose. You can tape it in to whatever steam box you have rigged.
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a
"In this house we _obey_ the laws of thermodynamics." --Homer Simpson
"HerHusband" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We are building a new home and I need to trim out the inside of our large
> round top window. The window is 4'x7' overall, but the round portion of
the
> window is 4 feet wide with a 2' radius round top.
>
> We are using cedar trim in our home, so I want the round trim to match the
> rest of the wood.
>
> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending, so I'm guessing I'll have
to
> run several cedar boards through my planer into thin boards I can bend
> (hopefully without cracking). Then I'll have to laminate them somehow so
> that I can end up with a 3/4" thickness (part of the edge will show).
>
> Am I approaching this correctly? How thin should I plane the boards for
> bending? What's the best way to laminate them?
>
> Would there be any problem laminating the thin layer's in place? In other
> words, can I bend and install the first board, then bend and install the
> second, and so on...? It seems this would ensure the arch would fit the
> opening perfectly, and eliminate having to build some kind of bending
form.
>
> Is there another option I'm not thinking of?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
saw this on modern masters a while ago. they made bent laminated beams for
outdoor furniture.
lots of thin slats. plywood form for the inside with lots of large holes
drilled into the form about 2" from the edge. they used epoxy and lots of
clamps to get the tack laminated onto the form. let sit for a couple of
days. i think they started with 1/4" slats but i don't recall what the wood
was.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:21:31 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> queried:
>In article <[email protected]>, HerHusband
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending,
>
>A length of PVC pipe and a kettle is unobtainable for some reason?
Electric tea kettles are apparently unobtainable for those poor Yanks.
At least, that's what he friend of mine says, and she ought to know as
she exports coffee and often gets requests for her to send a kettle
along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
juvenile vandalism in 1773.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:35:06 -0000, HerHusband <[email protected]>
wrote:
>We are building a new home and I need to trim out the inside of our large
>round top window. The window is 4'x7' overall, but the round portion of the
>window is 4 feet wide with a 2' radius round top.
>
>We are using cedar trim in our home, so I want the round trim to match the
>rest of the wood.
>
>I do not have a way to steam wood for bending, so I'm guessing I'll have to
>run several cedar boards through my planer into thin boards I can bend
>(hopefully without cracking). Then I'll have to laminate them somehow so
>that I can end up with a 3/4" thickness (part of the edge will show).
>
>Am I approaching this correctly? How thin should I plane the boards for
>bending? What's the best way to laminate them?
>
>Would there be any problem laminating the thin layer's in place? In other
>words, can I bend and install the first board, then bend and install the
>second, and so on...? It seems this would ensure the arch would fit the
>opening perfectly, and eliminate having to build some kind of bending form.
>
>Is there another option I'm not thinking of?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony
I'd use 1/4" thin stock, steam it using a PVP pipe (inexpensive), and
place it into a form built from MDF to dry for several days. The
curve should be slightly tighter than what you need to allow for some
spring back. You can use an old tea kettle and a hot plate to generate
the steam. When the laminates are dry, glue them together and allow
to dry again. Another method, perjhaps better, is to cut the cedar
in arc pieces, then half lap (or scarf joint) them together.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:17:22 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:21:31 -0600, Dave Balderstone
><[email protected]> queried:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, HerHusband
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending,
>>
>>A length of PVC pipe and a kettle is unobtainable for some reason?
>
>Electric tea kettles are apparently unobtainable for those poor Yanks.
>At least, that's what he friend of mine says, and she ought to know as
>she exports coffee and often gets requests for her to send a kettle
>along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
>juvenile vandalism in 1773.
Party on, duuuuude!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Electric+tea+kettle
54k returns.
Alternatively, a non-electric kettle and hotplate would work.
ALT2: My Aroma 10-cup electric rice cooker could be converted to
turn a gallon of water into steam with a retrofit lid.
ALT3: Order/make a still. (Jes doan put no corn it 'er.)
ALT4: I picked up a carpet steamer for $12 last year at a garage
sale. It puts out about 5 times as much steam as the little hand
held models.
Many of the new electric kettles shut off when they steam, so
the new safety features make these newfangled kitchen items
useless for this porpoise. <sniff, sniff. There was something
fishy about that statement.>
Or for only $900, you can have this:
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3729-AA.shtml
http://www.google.com/search?q=Electric+steamer
http://www.google.com/search?q=industrial+steamer
Perhaps HerHusband should review his/her level of creativity.
I got all this (including a trip to my library online to order
a rice cookbook) in 15 minutes.
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:37:44 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled
>Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
>> along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
>> juvenile vandalism in 1773.
>
>What does an eye-talian care anyway? :)
That's a *kanuckistani* one-eye-talian to you, buddy!
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
Lots of electric hot plates and tea kettles for cheap at Goodwill or
Salvation Army.
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:51:19 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:17:22 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
>brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:21:31 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>><[email protected]> queried:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, HerHusband
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending,
>>>
>>>A length of PVC pipe and a kettle is unobtainable for some reason?
>>
>>Electric tea kettles are apparently unobtainable for those poor Yanks.
>>At least, that's what he friend of mine says, and she ought to know as
>>she exports coffee and often gets requests for her to send a kettle
>>along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
>>juvenile vandalism in 1773.
>
>Party on, duuuuude!
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=Electric+tea+kettle
>54k returns.
>
>Alternatively, a non-electric kettle and hotplate would work.
>
>ALT2: My Aroma 10-cup electric rice cooker could be converted to
>turn a gallon of water into steam with a retrofit lid.
>
>ALT3: Order/make a still. (Jes doan put no corn it 'er.)
>
>ALT4: I picked up a carpet steamer for $12 last year at a garage
>sale. It puts out about 5 times as much steam as the little hand
>held models.
>
>Many of the new electric kettles shut off when they steam, so
>the new safety features make these newfangled kitchen items
>useless for this porpoise. <sniff, sniff. There was something
>fishy about that statement.>
>
>Or for only $900, you can have this:
>http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3729-AA.shtml
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=Electric+steamer
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=industrial+steamer
>
>Perhaps HerHusband should review his/her level of creativity.
>I got all this (including a trip to my library online to order
>a rice cookbook) in 15 minutes.
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:51:19 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
scribbled
>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:17:22 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
>brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:21:31 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>><[email protected]> queried:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, HerHusband
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending,
>>>
>>>A length of PVC pipe and a kettle is unobtainable for some reason?
>>
>>Electric tea kettles are apparently unobtainable for those poor Yanks.
>>At least, that's what he friend of mine says, and she ought to know as
>>she exports coffee and often gets requests for her to send a kettle
>>along. Maybe they don't need them since that deplorable incident of
>>juvenile vandalism in 1773.
>
>Party on, duuuuude!
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=Electric+tea+kettle
>54k returns.
Can you get this at any place that sells appliances?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303514305&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=1408474395348027&bmUID=1071417893048&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443249459&assortment=primary
Everybody I know has one or one like it. Note the safety feature: it
turns off when it boils dry. They are extremely useful, not just for
bending wood. Filter coffee, tea, jello, and even pasta. I get my
pasta water boiling much more quickly by only half-filling the pot,
and running the kettle at the same time. As soon as the water in the
kettle boils, pour it in the pot. I am curious: do you have one? Are
they a common, easily available item or was my friend right?
There is, of course, also the LVT version:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=42176&category=1%2C45866
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
HerHusband wrote:
> I do not have a way to steam wood for bending, so I'm guessing I'll
> have to run several cedar boards through my planer into thin boards I
> can bend (hopefully without cracking). Then I'll have to laminate
> them somehow so that I can end up with a 3/4" thickness (part of the
> edge will show).
Tom Plamann has done a lot of curved work. Maybe you can pick up some ideas
from his site.
http://plamann.com/sys-tmpl/door/
Curved mantle glue up starts here.
http://plamann.com/sys-tmpl/mantle/view.nhtml?profile=mantle&UID=10018
HTH.
-- Mark