At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
surgeries to reattach them.
I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
any advice. Thanks in advance.
-Neuromancer
You should use this information to help keep yourself on guard. In the
skydiving community, we do this with incident reports, fatal or not. Tom
ne
uromancer wrote:
>I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
>passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety.
Someday, it'll all be over....
In article <[email protected]>, Clarke Echols
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I've had some close calls with my Unisaw too. Nicked
> the tip of my left index finger at the nail.
Did that in high school shop about 30 years ago. 3 or 5 stitches (I
forget) and I'm aware of the scar every day.
Never got my flesh that close to a sharp spinning thing again.
Chisel scars are a different story, however.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
[email protected] (Neuromancer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
I read a lutherie article a few years ago, writen by a guy who cut his
fingers on a bandsaw. He and the surgeon were chatting during the
repair, and the surgeon asked him what the "most dangerous" tool was
in a woodshop. The answer was "jointer." He then asked what tool
caused the most injuries, with the answer being "bandsaw." Why? The
bandsaw "seems" safer, so more people relax when using it. And cut
their fingers off while doing so. Being more aware of the potential
for injury on the TS means you are much less likely to get injured
while using it.
>
> Respect and understanding the operation keeps the parts intact. Fear
> causes accidents.
>
I believe fear can _prevent_ accidents; fear forces you to consider
what you are about to do, and stimulates you to learn more about the
situation. Fear of failure drives the performing artist to practice,
practice, practice his/her craft. Fear of dying drives the pilot to
learn all he can about his airplane, and the flying environment. Fear
of falling motivates the climber to develop the skill and knowledge
needed to prevent falls, or to allow a safe fall.
Panic, where fear has taken over the mind, is when poor judgements are
made and accidents take place. Panic is more often than not the
result of poor preparation. Someone who fears a spinning TS blade is
someone who will learn techniques to keep his/her fingers out of the
way.
Sometimes fear is good. As long as you don't let it control you, fear is
nature's way of telling you to BE CAREFUL.
Mark
Neuromancer wrote:
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
Happened to me when I was 12 or 13 years old. Still have the scar in
my left thigh. I've had some close calls with my Unisaw too. Nicked
the tip of my left index finger at the nail. HURT!!! (Lots of nerves
in that area). It healed up over a period of months and you can't see
where it happened, but it's still a little sensitive. I was doing some
repeating cuts on the Unisaw about 15 years ago and suddenly realized my
fingers were getting too close to the blade.
It takes DISCIPLINE, but there is no substitute for a very healthy respect
for that machine you're using and a constant awareness of where your
body parts are, relative to the blade. And SAFETY GLASSES: I was trimming
the rough edge on some ash recently when a splinter nailed my right ear.
When I pulled it out, it drew blood. It passed less than 3" from my eye.
I ALWAYS wear industrial safety glasses around machines. No exceptions.
Clarke
[email protected] wrote:
>
> I have seen two instances of guys accidently letting a skil saw kick back on
> them, cutting to the bone in their upper right thighs - scares the shit out
> of me to this day, and believe me, when I HAVE to use a skil saw, I always,
> ALWAYS recall those two guys, and then proceed with caution.
>
> manzanar
>
> "Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> > an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> > time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> > fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> > the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> > believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> > surgeries to reattach them.
> >
> > I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> > passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> > is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> > always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> > don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> > any advice. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Neuromancer
In rec.woodworking
[email protected] (Neuromancer) wrote:
>At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
>an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
>time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
>fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
>the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
>believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
>surgeries to reattach them.
Incidentally, I was told my an EMT that is trained to secure detached
limbs, the proper way to do this, should anyone need to.
1. Wrap the fingers in gauze and place in a ziplock baggie
2. Fill another baggie with ice and place the first baggie in the second.
3. Hit the emergency room.
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<sy%[email protected]>...
> "Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> > an old national guard friend of mine ........
When non-woodworking types come into the shop, after eyeing the TS,
BS, jointer and planer the first question they all seem to ask is
"aren't you afraid these machines might cut off your [fingers] [hand]
[arm}" etc. My standard answer is "Yup, every time I push the 'on'
switch and until I push the 'off' switch." Knock on wood, {inside
joke, eh?), I've never had an issue, but perk up every time someone
else has an unfortunate experience. Someone said its better to learn
from another's negative experience than to experience a negative
yourself, and I try to live by that phrase. Fear is really the wrong
word, the word really is respect. I started as an apprentice butcher
at 16 (which convinced me college was the way to go) and learned the
semi-hard way (after about 20 stitches in various places) that you
never cut yourself with a sharp knife, its always the dull ones which
don't go where you want them to go without forcing the cut. When you
get paid by piece-work, you get rather aggressive with big band saws,
and you learn early to pay attention to spinning sharp things, and pay
attention consistently.
I take both lessons to heart when in the shop. Keep tools sharp, hand
and power tools. Respect the big machines - they don't discriminate
between wood, flesh, or bone. Think of the 'on' switch as the 'it can
cut my finger off' switch and pay attention until whatever stops
spinning. If the cut seems dangerous to you, it usually is, find
another way to skin that cat. Nobody ever has enough clamps, or
enough pushsticks or featherboards. Always, always use splitters (and
blade guards, but we all tend to take them off sooner or later)on
table saws. Make jigs to be sure of safe cuts. Keep a first aid kit
in the shop, and put in a phone, 'cause you never know. Mutt
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:21:08 -0600, C <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:21:33 -0800, Neuromancer wrote:
>
>> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of an
>> old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some time.
>> While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the fingers on one
>> hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning the saw off and on
>> and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I believe 4.5 fingers were
>> cutoff, and he has since had a number of surgeries to reattach them.
>>
>> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in passing to
>> really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding is that I am
>> to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have always been a
>> safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I don't think this
>> is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had any advice. Thanks in
>> advance.
>>
>> -Neuromancer
>If you feel scared that is not good. Better you should feel respectful. I guess the only way for you is to get back on the horse.
Review what you know about TS safety and then go out and cut
something. Something that is going to keep you far away from the
blade. Gradually work your way in to more difficult cuts until your
fear is gone. The alternate choiced is to sell your TS. If you are
scared of your table saw then you will probably be scared of any other
power tools that you have. I remember being scared of working on my
wood lathe. To start turning large pieces of wood to make something as
big as a PV (spelling) handle requied quite a big piece of rough wood.
To me this was always (and still keeps my heart rate up) a scary
moment. I learned to make sure that the wood was well secured and to
always start with very sharp tools. When the bark started flying it
was scary. Good luck, i hope you overcome this and carry on with your
woodworking.
Ken, makin dust in NS
>
>What's your point? Accidents happen, many of them due to stupidity.
>
>If you understand Darwin, then these accidents shouldn't bother you.
"Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
Like some others have said, it's probably a good reminder.
My hand-me-down table saw took a couple of fingertips from my grandpa, and
that's never far from my mind.
I'm fairly new at this, but I sure hope I don't grow complacent over time.
in article [email protected], Neuromancer at
[email protected] wrote on 1/18/04 9:21 PM:
I too had a go around with my jointer several years ago. I took off
most of the first joint of on three fingers. It was the worst pain I had
experienced for the longest amount of time. I am self employed and I lost
most of a month's work. Months more of healing and difficult adapting to
the loss. They are super sensitive to the cold, the ends split and crack
and the thought of cold weather, and my keyboarding, fine touch ability,
nose picking, personal hygiene and just about everything else has been
affected negatively. There isn't a day that goes by that I am not reminded
of the stupidity of my actions. However, there's not a tool that I use now,
not a power switch that I throw, that I am not keenly aware of where my
hands are, and how to safely keep intact the remainder of my digits and
whatever else I was born with. For as much bad as it was, I have probably
reaped more in safety awareness and possibly saved myself from doing
something *really* stupid that would have more dramatic results.
It's great to be a bit scared. Now turn that fear into more respect and
share it with everyone else who wanders into your shop, an use it to your
advantage. The world is full of things we all need a healthy respect for.
Guns, automobiles, woodstoves and power tools. Continue to use those you
enjoy working with, and rejoice that you learned your respect without having
a personal tragedy.
Thanks for allowing me time on the soapbox.
-still healing-
--
"Every great mistake has a halfway moment, a split second when it can be
recalled and perhaps remedied." - Pearl S. Buck-
-Pete-
Yankee Lake Enterprises
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
Fear and respect kind of go hand in hand (no pun intended). My father sent
the blade of a chop saw through his hand a few years ago and we were all a
little skittish of it after that. Try turning your fear into respect and
knowledge and you'll feel better about it.
Jim
"Lazarus Long" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It's a normal reaction. You'll get over it, but won't forget. Learn
> from his misfortune and treat your tools with the respect they
> deserve. They don't care what they cut, cutting is what they were
> built for.
>
> I had a jointer accident years ago. I went back to using it within
> days of the incident. Yeah, I was anxious, but with proper procedure
> and a good set of push blocks, the work was done. I've since gotten
> an even larger jointer. I'm always aware of the danger of the
> machines if I should get careless. None of this has stopped me from
> making things, I'm just more aware and careful. So you will be.
>
> On 18 Jan 2004 18:21:33 -0800, [email protected] (Neuromancer)
> wrote:
>
> >At Christmas I got wind of an accident .... 4.5 fingers were cutoff,
and he has since had a number of
> >surgeries to reattach them.
> >
> >I have
> >always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> >don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> >any advice. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >-Neuromancer
>
I have seen two instances of guys accidently letting a skil saw kick back on
them, cutting to the bone in their upper right thighs - scares the shit out
of me to this day, and believe me, when I HAVE to use a skil saw, I always,
ALWAYS recall those two guys, and then proceed with caution.
manzanar
"Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
Bruce wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I was told my an EMT that is trained to secure detached
> limbs, the proper way to do this, should anyone need to.
>
> 1. Wrap the fingers in gauze and place in a ziplock baggie
> 2. Fill another baggie with ice and place the first baggie in the second.
> 3. Hit the emergency room.
>
I would add to this that if you are near a major metropolitan area call
911, instead of going directly to the hospital. My wife called 911 which
sent an ambulance who in turn called in a state police helicopter that
whisked me to a hand center 50 miles away in Baltimore that I didn't
know existed. (took less than 15 minutes) I like to joke that if I'd
gone to the local hospital, I'd probably have a hook right now.
--
Donnie Vazquez
Sunderland, MD
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Thanks for all the replies guys, I think in part what the amount of
spooking I feel comes from the fact that I am a very novice wood
worker. I think experience and time lends a person the confidence
they need to know, understand and feel comfortable with the tools they
work with.
I can recall an incident that happened to me maybe 8 years ago. I was
at my fathers house, pushing maybe a 4 foot long piece of wood through
the table saw, using a push stick, cutting a strip maybe 2 inches wide
off. I was standing directly behind the saw.
Everything was going well until something pinched, and that strip came
flaying back at me. It hit me int he thigh/hip area, did no damage,
but I know it could have been much, much worse, maybe even fatal.
Thing was, I didn't have a clue that that *could* happen. Since that
time I have tried to read newsgroups, articles, anything I can get my
hands on for tips of all sorts.
It always seems a little more real to me when someone I know in
passing has an accident. That being said, I think woodworking is a
great hobby that I really enjoy. Anyway, thanks so much for the
advice, I feel better now.
[email protected] (Neuromancer) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
I don't think woodworking is markedly different than any other
activity with a potential for injury. Take driving for instance.
Every day people are maimed and killed because of careless or
inattentive behavior. To make matters worse, many times the biggest
victims are not the ones who were careless. At least with
woodworking, *you* are in control and it's up to you to work safely.
Working tired is a bad idea in many ways. Aside from a higher
potential for injury, there's also a higher potential to mess up a
perfectly good project.
Cheers,
Mike
[email protected] (Scott) wrote
> I read a lutherie article a few years ago, writen by a guy who cut his
> fingers on a bandsaw. He and the surgeon were chatting during the
> repair, and the surgeon asked him what the "most dangerous" tool was
> in a woodshop. The answer was "jointer." He then asked what tool
> caused the most injuries, with the answer being "bandsaw." Why? The
> bandsaw "seems" safer, so more people relax when using it. And cut
> their fingers off while doing so. Being more aware of the potential
> for injury on the TS means you are much less likely to get injured
> while using it.
And it's not just power tools. I try to be compulsively rigourous in
my power tool use - just like flying, you use the checklist and do it
the same every time. But the one serious hurt I've gotten came from
hand tooling. While working on a mortise with a 1/2" chisel, I rested
my left hand beside the mortise, leaned on the chisel, the board split
and the chisel went right through my index finger. Incredibly, it
missed all tendons and arteries, but it doesn't quite straighten out
anymore.
It's all sharp, it all can hurt you, always know where the edge is
going to go *when* it slips.
Jim
Tom
I guess the non-fatal skydiving accidents are sorta rare <vbg!!>
John
On 19 Jan 2004 04:19:54 GMT, [email protected] (Tom) wrote:
>You should use this information to help keep yourself on guard. In the
>skydiving community, we do this with incident reports, fatal or not. Tom
> ne
>uromancer wrote:
>
>>I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
>>passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety.
>
>
>Someday, it'll all be over....
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:18:22 -0500, Donnie Vazquez
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I like to joke that if I'd
>gone to the local hospital, I'd probably have a hook right now.
If you asked them nicely, they might have given you a push stick
instead.
It's a normal reaction. You'll get over it, but won't forget. Learn
from his misfortune and treat your tools with the respect they
deserve. They don't care what they cut, cutting is what they were
built for.
I had a jointer accident years ago. I went back to using it within
days of the incident. Yeah, I was anxious, but with proper procedure
and a good set of push blocks, the work was done. I've since gotten
an even larger jointer. I'm always aware of the danger of the
machines if I should get careless. None of this has stopped me from
making things, I'm just more aware and careful. So you will be.
On 18 Jan 2004 18:21:33 -0800, [email protected] (Neuromancer)
wrote:
>At Christmas I got wind of an accident .... 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
>surgeries to reattach them.
>
>I have
>always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
>don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
>any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
>-Neuromancer
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:36:35 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's smart to get the heebie-jeebies about power tools and their digit
>removal capacity from time to time. Just don't obsess over it.
Right.
Respect and understanding the operation keeps the parts intact. Fear
causes accidents.
It's the same while driving, flying, or wooddorking. Ever been in a
car with frozen, white-knuckled driver? <G>
Barry
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:21:33 -0800, Neuromancer wrote:
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of an
> old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some time.
> While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the fingers on one
> hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning the saw off and on
> and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I believe 4.5 fingers were
> cutoff, and he has since had a number of surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in passing to
> really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding is that I am
> to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have always been a
> safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I don't think this
> is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had any advice. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> -Neuromancer
What's your point? Accidents happen, many of them due to stupidity.
If you understand Darwin, then these accidents shouldn't bother you.
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:58:43 -0800, Scott wrote:
> [email protected] (Neuromancer) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in passing
>> to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding is that I
>> am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have always been
>> a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I don't think
>> this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had any advice.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -Neuromancer
>
>
> I read a lutherie article a few years ago, writen by a guy who cut his
> fingers on a bandsaw. He and the surgeon were chatting during the repair,
> and the surgeon asked him what the "most dangerous" tool was in a
> woodshop. The answer was "jointer." He then asked what tool caused the
> most injuries, with the answer being "bandsaw." Why? The bandsaw "seems"
> safer, so more people relax when using it. And cut their fingers off
> while doing so. Being more aware of the potential for injury on the TS
> means you are much less likely to get injured while using it.
Good Lord! They use bandsaws in butchershops. Need we say more?
"Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> surgeries to reattach them.
>
> I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> any advice. Thanks in advance.
>
Fear is good, where appropriate. You should have fear set in when you are
doing or are about to do something unsafe. Fear should be your warning
signal, not your mode of operation. If you are afraid of your tablesaw,
then I would suggest that you don't have a good grasp of what causes
accidents with it. By understanding what causes accidents and by taking the
proper precautions, you will be able to think about what you are doing
instead of being paralyzed with fear.
What did this person do wrong? Obviously, working while tired. It should
be like second nature to you that when you start to get tired, stop working
or do something which will not maim you, like switch to sanding, scraping or
sweeping the floor. Next, I assume there were no guards in place since he
was able to shove his whole hand into the blade. Get a proper guard and use
it. Use feather boards where appropriate as well as pushsticks. Learn what
causes kickback and how to prevent it and there will be nothing to fear.
But don't loose your appreciation for your tools.
Frank
How did the saw get his thigh ? Did the guard not snap back fast enough ?
--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have seen two instances of guys accidently letting a skil saw kick back
on
> them, cutting to the bone in their upper right thighs - scares the shit
out
> of me to this day, and believe me, when I HAVE to use a skil saw, I
always,
> ALWAYS recall those two guys, and then proceed with caution.
>
> manzanar
>
>
> "Neuromancer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> > an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> > time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> > fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
> > the saw off and on and due to fatigue forgot to turn it off. I
> > believe 4.5 fingers were cutoff, and he has since had a number of
> > surgeries to reattach them.
> >
> > I can think of no more sober an accident to someone you know in
> > passing to really make you re-evaluate shop safety. What I am finding
> > is that I am to some degree scared to work on my table saw now. I have
> > always been a safe hobbyist, but I just cant help but feel scared. I
> > don't think this is normal, but I thought I might see if you all had
> > any advice. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Neuromancer
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[email protected] (Neuromancer) writes:
> At Christmas I got wind of an accident that happened to the brother of
> an old national guard friend of mine who I have not spoken to in some
> time. While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
How fortunatley small that "tired" accident was! Usually you hear
about the kind "Bus driver went to sleep and killed a lot of
semi-innocent passengers when hitting the lorry in front".
Working when tired should be considered a criminal ofence, especially
on the part of the employer who allowed it to happen!
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Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
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>While working late at night, tired, his brother cut off the
>> fingers on one hand on his table saw. Apparantly he had been turning
>
>How fortunatley small that "tired" accident was! Usually you hear
>about the kind "Bus driver went to sleep and killed a lot of
>semi-innocent passengers when hitting the lorry in front".
>Working when tired should be considered a criminal ofence, especially
>on the part of the employer who allowed it to happen!
>
>--
>Dr. Juergen Hannappel
Now why did you have to go and turn this into some kind of Socialism rant? I am
quite sure that German Unions would be the first to go ballistic if the
employer fired an employee who came to work hung over or for failing to get his
8 hours of sleep.
Dave Hall