John's gloating post about a project REQUIRING a new tool purchase gave me
an idea. Since my strange and estranged wife of 14 years is divorcing me
and since she ran away in a psycho-panic (she absolutely and literally did
run away in a psycho-panic when she went nuts in the schoolyard and
assaulted a kid. I caught her and took her to her shrink and that afternoon
she was gone and I didn't hear from her for three days), and since she has a
separation agreement that requires us to share equally the costs of
preparing the house for sale, it's a good time to do some preparing for sale
that absolutely requires me to get a new table saw and the mandatory
accessories. She will have to pay half and I will also bill her for my
time.
Agkistrodon
If I'm that judge, I must assume that living with you for 14 is what sent
her over the edge. You lose!
--
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com/woodshop
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > And she'll get all in the settlement.
> >
>
> I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make her go into
one
> of her "states". He could do it easily because her psychological balance
is
> highly unstable.
>
> Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks call
> "Borderline Personality Disorder"?
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
No doubt.
--
- GRL
"It's good to want things."
Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And she'll get all in the settlement.
>
> "Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > John's gloating post about a project REQUIRING a new tool purchase gave
me
> > an idea. Since my strange and estranged wife of 14 years is divorcing
me
> > and since she ran away in a psycho-panic (she absolutely and literally
did
> > run away in a psycho-panic when she went nuts in the schoolyard and
> > assaulted a kid. I caught her and took her to her shrink and that
> afternoon
> > she was gone and I didn't hear from her for three days), and since she
has
> a
> > separation agreement that requires us to share equally the costs of
> > preparing the house for sale, it's a good time to do some preparing for
> sale
> > that absolutely requires me to get a new table saw and the mandatory
> > accessories. She will have to pay half and I will also bill her for my
> > time.
> >
> > Agkistrodon
> >
> >
>
>
And she'll get all in the settlement.
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John's gloating post about a project REQUIRING a new tool purchase gave me
> an idea. Since my strange and estranged wife of 14 years is divorcing me
> and since she ran away in a psycho-panic (she absolutely and literally did
> run away in a psycho-panic when she went nuts in the schoolyard and
> assaulted a kid. I caught her and took her to her shrink and that
afternoon
> she was gone and I didn't hear from her for three days), and since she has
a
> separation agreement that requires us to share equally the costs of
> preparing the house for sale, it's a good time to do some preparing for
sale
> that absolutely requires me to get a new table saw and the mandatory
> accessories. She will have to pay half and I will also bill her for my
> time.
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
> You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
> one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
> damage was done long before you met her. It's almost certain that
> she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
> her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
> the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
>
> Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
> test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
> find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
> than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
> worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
Unfortunately, such consideration is rarely the way of our culture these
days, but beautifully said in any event.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/15/04
Swingman responds:
>
>"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
>
>> You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
>> one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
>> damage was done long before you met her. It's almost certain that
>> she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
>> her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
>> the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
>>
>> Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
>> test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
>> find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
>> than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
>> worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
>
>Unfortunately, such consideration is rarely the way of our culture these
>days, but beautifully said in any event.
True. Having had a similar family--not marital--experience (and an earlier
experience with a friend), I can attest to the fact that there is a great deal
of difficulty being the recipient of one-sided and unjustified abuse for years,
though. That one feature makes it particularly difficult to be fair and just to
the person who is tragically ill, but exceptionally abusive. The threats, the
name calling, little things like having a .357 Colt Python shoved halfway up
one nostril with a threat to pull the trigger, all tend to make one less
sanguine than would be fair.
It's a damned difficult position to be in.
Charlie Self
"Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The
Devil's Dictionary
> True. Having had a similar family--not marital--experience (and an earlier
> experience with a friend), I can attest to the fact that there is a great
deal
> of difficulty being the recipient of one-sided and unjustified abuse for
years,
> though.
Quite the way I feel. Even if one recognizes that the abuser is sick, it
doesn't remove the hurts. You may understand where they come from and why
but as far as being unscarred by it is concerned... no way can a person be.
Unless he/she is a saint.
>That one feature makes it particularly difficult to be fair and just to
> the person who is tragically ill, but exceptionally abusive. The threats,
the
> name calling, little things like having a .357 Colt Python shoved halfway
up
> one nostril with a threat to pull the trigger, all tend to make one less
> sanguine than would be fair.
I've been through all of it but the Python... there was a knife, though.
>
> It's a damned difficult position to be in.
>
> Charlie Self
Acknowledged, Captain.
> "Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose
Bierce, The
> Devil's Dictionary
>
>
Look up "witch" in that same dictionary. It's revealing.
Agkistrodon
"Tony" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If I was the judge presiding over the case and if you and your counsel did
> that, you'd be lucky to leave with the clothes on your back. I'd pity
the
> poor woman. Where did you say your located?
>
>
Actually, I would never allow the attorney to do that to her. In fact, I
only had an hour consult with the guy and that's just the way he struck me.
I am not even going to have an attorney but try to negotiate an amicable
settlement. I will, in fact, give her more than she is entitled to,
especially if she agrees to some minor concessions on her part that will
cost her nothing.
Agkistrodon
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Unfortunately, such consideration is rarely the way of our culture these
> days, but beautifully said in any event.
>
> --
Indeed, and not something I haven't already thought.
Agkistrodon
If I was the judge presiding over the case and if you and your counsel did
that, you'd be lucky to leave with the clothes on your back. I'd pity the
poor woman. Where did you say your located?
Agki Strodon <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > And she'll get all in the settlement.
> >
>
> I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make her go into
one
> of her "states". He could do it easily because her psychological balance
is
> highly unstable.
>
> Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks call
> "Borderline Personality Disorder"?
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
You, sir (and I use that very loosely) sound like a total scumbag. I
would rather read any OT post than to read about how you plan on
justifying the purchase of a piece of machinery due to someone's fragile
mental state. Although I personally don't believe in much, I do think
that what comes around goes around. I fully expect something like an
early case of Alzheimer's to come knocking on your door soon.
Mark L.
Agki Strodon wrote:
> John's gloating post about a project REQUIRING a new tool purchase gave me
> an idea. Since my strange and estranged wife of 14 years is divorcing me
> and since she ran away in a psycho-panic (she absolutely and literally did
> run away in a psycho-panic when she went nuts in the schoolyard and
> assaulted a kid. I caught her and took her to her shrink and that afternoon
> she was gone and I didn't hear from her for three days), and since she has a
> separation agreement that requires us to share equally the costs of
> preparing the house for sale, it's a good time to do some preparing for sale
> that absolutely requires me to get a new table saw and the mandatory
> accessories. She will have to pay half and I will also bill her for my
> time.
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip
I think you have already showed your true colors with your initial post.
The cards have been played and changing the angle of your comments does not
erase what you first said.
You might consider running on the John Kerry ticket as VP.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Seems there may be a mental problem on both sides.
> If you're willing to settle for "multiple personality disorder",
> then yes.
They seem to be related according to the diagnostic criteria I've read.
>
> A couple of things for you to consider:
>
> You should assume that her attorney will read this thread - and
> everything else you have posted or will post to newsgroups. It's
> probably not in your best interest to say any more than you
> already have.
I have no interest in hiding anything from her attorney. She already knows
what she's dealing with.
>
> You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
> one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
> damage was done long before you met her.
It certainly was. There were a number of warning flags and showing of the
yellow card but... well, you know how love is....
An issue is the origin of BPD and when it appears. I've read a few books on
it lately in an attempt to understand what was happening and so many of the
etiologic characteristics were clearly in her childhood experience and in
her previous relationships with men. I sure as hell wish I had taken a
course in abnormal psychology but, at the time, I didn't believe that
psychology deserved the status of a "science". Only the hard sciences were
really sciences at all to my right brain dominant mind. I had a case of
"physics envy".
>+It's almost certain that
> she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
> her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
> the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
>
I understand that. I wish she did. She blames herself for being BP instead
of the real culprits, a possible genetic predisposition to the behaviors and
the interaction of her genotype with an invalidating and, sometimes abusive
world. She is also a scientist (a better biologist than me - up to a point)
and she was in the same frame of mind vis-a-vis psychology and psychiatry
lacking scientific validity as I was.
> Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
> test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
> find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
> than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
> worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
>
Thanks. I think I have made it clear that the first post was an
unintentional troll. I hyperbolized and went on to new nadirs because ...
well, because I believe this was so unnecessary and so disruptive as I
prepare for retirement in 7 months. She will be treated more than fairly.
Agkistrodon
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Agki Strodon wrote:
>
> >
> > "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> And she'll get all in the settlement.
> >>> Don't count on your "shark"s ability to predict or control the
behavior of a
> mentally unstable person. If this goes the way such plans usually go,
> she'll sit there on the stand cool, calm, and collected, and eat your
shark
> for lunch.
>
Actually, as I responded to another person, I am not even hiring this guy.
He is too aggressive ... maybe somebody else who is being really ripped
could use such a defense but I will not do it to her. I can't afford him
anyway - he's the costliest divorce attorney around these parts.
As for her breaking down, I really know her quite well (for thirty years
including the pre-nuptial days when she and I were students) and I know that
unless she's on some pretty potent anxiolytics, pushing the proper buttons
will create a mess... but I refuse to do it and have told her that on many
occasions. Unfortunately, refusal to trust, more accurately, an inability
to trust, is a characteristic of Borderline Personality Disorder affected
people.
I used a bit of hyperbole in opening this and I regret it. I really feel
empathy for her and I regret all the crap that she had to contend with in
her upbringing, previous marriage, and other relationships. Nevertheless,
her behavior has been utterly out of control and utterly abusive all too
often for me or her to continue. She may well be the kind of person for
whom marriage should be a no-no. She will get even more than she asks for
in settlement with me if she agrees to continue her therapy. Emotionally
for me, I can't afford to have her stop and revert to the raw Borderline
state. Who knows? A miracle could happen.
Agkistrodon
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And she'll get all in the settlement.
>
I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make her go into one
of her "states". He could do it easily because her psychological balance is
highly unstable.
Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks call
"Borderline Personality Disorder"?
Agkistrodon
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John's gloating post about a project REQUIRING a new tool purchase gave me
> an idea. Since my strange and estranged wife of 14 years is divorcing me
> and since she ran away in a psycho-panic (she absolutely and literally did
> run away in a psycho-panic when she went nuts in the schoolyard and
> assaulted a kid. I caught her and took her to her shrink and that
afternoon
> she was gone and I didn't hear from her for three days), and since she has
a
> separation agreement that requires us to share equally the costs of
> preparing the house for sale, it's a good time to do some preparing for
sale
> that absolutely requires me to get a new table saw and the mandatory
> accessories. She will have to pay half and I will also bill her for my
> time.
>
> Agkistrodon
>
>
Plenty of bites on that one.
Agki Strodon wrote:
>
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> And she'll get all in the settlement.
>>
>
> I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make her go into
> one
> of her "states". He could do it easily because her psychological balance
> is highly unstable.
>
> Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks call
> "Borderline Personality Disorder"?
Don't count on your "shark"s ability to predict or control the behavior of a
mentally unstable person. If this goes the way such plans usually go,
she'll sit there on the stand cool, calm, and collected, and eat your shark
for lunch.
> Agkistrodon
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
>one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
>damage was done long before you met her. It's almost certain that
>she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
>her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
>the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
>
>Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
>test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
>find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
>than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
>worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
>
Well said, Morris. Thank you.
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Well said!!!
Just wish I can be as eloquent. Although it's a tragic situation and
your compassion is commendable. I would definately get a lawyer.
Whatever you agree to now on paper without protecting yourself for the
future is not very wise. Without a good lawyer in the future she can
always contest what she agreed to now and claim she was not in proper
state of mind . Especially if she meets a guy who is a sleezebag and
wants quick money. You need to protect yourself for the future
period!!!!!! Nice Guy's always lose with Lawyers.
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Agki Strodon wrote:
>
> > "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >> And she'll get all in the settlement.
> >
> > I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make
> > her go into one of her "states". He could do it easily
> > because her psychological balance is highly unstable.
> >
> > Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks
> > call "Borderline Personality Disorder"?
>
> If you're willing to settle for "multiple personality disorder",
> then yes.
>
> A couple of things for you to consider:
>
> You should assume that her attorney will read this thread - and
> everything else you have posted or will post to newsgroups. It's
> probably not in your best interest to say any more than you
> already have.
>
> You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
> one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
> damage was done long before you met her. It's almost certain that
> she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
> her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
> the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
>
> Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
> test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
> find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
> than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
> worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
Agki Strodon wrote:
> "George" <george@least> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> And she'll get all in the settlement.
>
> I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make
> her go into one of her "states". He could do it easily
> because her psychological balance is highly unstable.
>
> Anybody out there ever have experience with what the shrinks
> call "Borderline Personality Disorder"?
If you're willing to settle for "multiple personality disorder",
then yes.
A couple of things for you to consider:
You should assume that her attorney will read this thread - and
everything else you have posted or will post to newsgroups. It's
probably not in your best interest to say any more than you
already have.
You have experienced (or at least witnessed) human breakage in
one of its most tragic forms. It's entirely possible that the
damage was done long before you met her. It's almost certain that
she didn't choose to be broken - and any attempt of yours to hold
her responsible and/or punish her for that breakage may affect
the way you see that face in the mirror for the rest of your life.
Your compassion and senses of fairness and justice are under
test. You still have the rest of your life to live; and you will
find it beneficial to yourself to not bring about more damage
than has already been done. This other person in your life is as
worthy of your best now just as much as she was when you married.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
"Mark L." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You, sir (and I use that very loosely) sound like a total scumbag. I
> would rather read any OT post than to read about how you plan on
> justifying the purchase of a piece of machinery due to someone's fragile
> mental state. Although I personally don't believe in much, I do think
> that what comes around goes around. I fully expect something like an
> early case of Alzheimer's to come knocking on your door soon.
> Mark L.
>
See the replies to other posts. I got carried away... Fact is, I want her
back as absurd as that seems. I would like some help from her psychiatrist,
though. That refusal of her doctor to even talk to me, her patient's
husband, still sticks in my craw.
Agkistrodon
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Thanks. I think I have made it clear that the first post was an
> unintentional troll.
I think you got flamed so you showed another face.
"Agki Strodon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Actually, I would never allow the attorney to do that to her. In fact, I
> only had an hour consult with the guy and that's just the way he struck
me.
> I am not even going to have an attorney but try to negotiate an amicable
> settlement. I will, in fact, give her more than she is entitled to,
> especially if she agrees to some minor concessions on her part that will
> cost her nothing.
>
> Agkistrodon
So when you made the comment,
"I got me a shark who wants to put her on the stand and make her go into one
of her "states". He could do it easily because her psychological balance is
highly unstable."
Did you just make that part up or are you a compulsive liar. I wonder which
one of the two of you has the real reality problem.