JB

"J.B. Bobbitt"

24/04/2004 11:48 PM

OT: non-sensical spam

I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.

But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense or
logic.

Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?

Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?

-jbb


This topic has 18 replies

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Tom Veatch

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 12:44 AM

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:48:25 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
>babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.
>
>But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
>subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
>adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense or
>logic.
>
>Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?
>
>Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?
>
>-jbb
>


Yeah, I've been seeing the same sort of stuff. I figured it was either an attempt to defeat spam filters that key on some standard
words and phrases or the type of filter my ISP uses.

Earthlink has implemented a filtering schema whereby messages are compared to each other. If several of their subscribers get the
same message they consider it spam and send it to the recipient's "Known Spam" folder instead of their inbox (if the subscriber so
desires).

Following is pure speculation on my part with no supporting evidence whatsoever:

What we are seeing could be an attempt to randomize each message subject as it is posted to get it past that type of filter that
keys on message subjects. I've also seen spam with several lines of "random" wording after the commercial message. That could be an
attempt to blast past the same type of filter that looks at message content instead of just the message subject. Perhaps the spammer
thinks we will be so impressed by his ingenuity in defeating the filter that we will look kindly on his commercial message.

End speculation.

If those are attempts to bust through spam filters, they are succeeding. They show up in my "Suspect" folder instead of the "Known
Spam" folder. The "Suspect" folder receives those messages from folks who are not in my address book. I get one message each day
that lists new receipts in that folder so I can deal with them if I so choose. I never see the "Known Spam" receipts.






Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA

As

Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

24/04/2004 10:23 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Eugene <[email protected]> wrote:

> Never forward chain letters, never put other peoples addresses in
> "free" sites.

But some people, such as those who might, for example, put a burka on a
statue of Justice, are _so_ deserving of all the spam we can possibly
send his^H^H^Htheir way! 8-P
--
"Keep your ass behind you."

As

Australopithecus scobis

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

24/04/2004 11:47 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> > But some people, such as those who might, for example, put a burka on a
> > statue of Justice, are _so_ deserving of all the spam we can possibly
> > send his^H^H^Htheir way! 8-P
> >
>
> Alright, I'll bite, please explain how covering parts that are
> normally covered for decency sake is the equivalent of a burqua that is
> used as a symbol of authority over women in a certain primitive culture.

What you said. Fine art, perfectly decent. Primitive culture can't
handle fine art or natural beauty. The drapery and the burqua are the
same thing, used for the same reason, by the same kind of men.
--
"Keep your ass behind you."

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 3:50 AM

Have you installed 4.0 yet. Mailwasher now has the capability to Learn.


"Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One word "mailwasher"
>
> Once you get it set up, 200 emails will take less than 3 minutes.
>

RR

RB

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

24/04/2004 8:09 PM

I'm convinced that newsgroup postings are searched for valid e-mail
addresses. Since I stopped using a valid e-mail address for posting I
haven't received any Viagra offers.

RB

J.B. Bobbitt wrote:
> I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
> babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.
>
> But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
> subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
> adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense or
> logic.
>
> Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?
>
> Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?
>
> -jbb
>
>

Jj

Jeremy

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 3:44 AM

One word "mailwasher"

Once you get it set up, 200 emails will take less than 3 minutes.

JJ

Eugene wrote:
>
> J.B. Bobbitt wrote:
>
> > I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
> > babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.
> >
> > But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
> > subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
> > adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense
> > or logic.
> >
> > Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?
> >
> > Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?
> >
> > -jbb
> Whose rumor is that? The reason most of it comes from other countires is
> because the US based ISP's are better at blocking them and responding to
> abuse complaints. The mailing lists for internet security, anti-spam, etc
> are saying that this is in response to modern anti spam software that is
> getting better at detecting spam based on grammer checkers and databases of
> key words. By sending nonsense spam they fill those antispam databases
> with garbage.
>
> This makes it a good time to remind everyone that you should never ever buy
> a product from unsolicited mail/phone calls/whatever. As soon as you allow
> one unsolicited advertisement to work the senders get more statistics to
> show why that method works and 10 more people send an unsolicited ad.
> You may also think "whats the dig deal, just delete it" Problem is after 5
> years of having the same address I get over 200 spam messages per DAY. My
> e-mail address because useless because I couldn't find the real mail in the
> mess. The main issue with spam is that is costs everyone but the spammer.
> All they need to do is get a free AOL trial or find an open wireless access
> point or even an unsecured pc connected to a cable/DSL line and run a
> simple program to blast their message.
>
> So remember never buy a product or service from spam no matter how good of a
> deal. Never forward chain letters, never put other peoples addresses in
> "free" sites.
>

Jj

Jeremy

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 3:58 AM

Still using 3.3, but I get free updates whenever I bother to check. I
sent the guy money when he was working out of his house in New Zealand
and when Firetrust bought the concept he insisted that those who had
contributed money get free upgrades for life.

JJ

Leon wrote:
>
> Have you installed 4.0 yet. Mailwasher now has the capability to Learn.
>
> "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > One word "mailwasher"
> >
> > Once you get it set up, 200 emails will take less than 3 minutes.
> >

Jj

Jeremy

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 4:05 PM

Already done, now I have to learn the new features.
JJ

Leon wrote:
>
> Go to the site and get the upgrade...It is a good one. I bought it when he
> was not charging a particular amount. IIRC he wanted a minimum donation to
> get rid of the advertising. I was registered for $3. in Dec 2001.
>
> "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Still using 3.3, but I get free updates whenever I bother to check. I
> > sent the guy money when he was working out of his house in New Zealand
> > and when Firetrust bought the concept he insisted that those who had
> > contributed money get free upgrades for life.
> >

En

Eugene

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 12:51 AM

RB wrote:

> I'm convinced that newsgroup postings are searched for valid e-mail
> addresses. Since I stopped using a valid e-mail address for posting I
> haven't received any Viagra offers.
>
> RB
>
> J.B. Bobbitt wrote:
>> I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
>> babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.
>>
>> But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
>> subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
>> adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense
>> or logic.
>>
>> Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?
>>
>> Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?
>>
>> -jbb
>>
>>

Yep that is one way they harvest addresses. Problem is once your address
has been gotten its bought and sold for a long time. I changed my reply to
address a year ago but still get spam to it.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

26/04/2004 2:01 AM

What is your point?


"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:y%Zic.81012$B%[email protected]...
> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > One word "mailwasher"
> >
> > Once you get it set up, 200 emails will take less than 3 minutes.
> >
> > JJ
> >
> Only runs on Windoze.
> Sure I can setup all kinds of antispam programs, but its like putting a
> band-aid on a bullet wound.
>
>

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 4:23 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> What we are seeing could be an attempt to randomize each message subject as it is posted to get it past that type of filter that
> keys on message subjects. I've also seen spam with several lines of "random" wording after the commercial message. That could be an
> attempt to blast past the same type of filter that looks at message content instead of just the message subject.
>
That's what I assumed it was.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

DH

Dave Hinz

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

26/04/2004 7:17 PM

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:01:13 GMT, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is your point?

I think his point is that it only runs on windows, and won't be enough.
He could try SpamAssassin, which works on nearly any platform out there
except Windows. Plays well with postfix or sendmail.

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 4:17 AM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Eugene <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Never forward chain letters, never put other peoples addresses in
> > "free" sites.
>
> But some people, such as those who might, for example, put a burka on a
> statue of Justice, are _so_ deserving of all the spam we can possibly
> send his^H^H^Htheir way! 8-P
>

Alright, I'll bite, please explain how covering parts that are
normally covered for decency sake is the equivalent of a burqua that is
used as a symbol of authority over women in a certain primitive culture.

En

Eugene

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 12:01 AM

J.B. Bobbitt wrote:

> I'm used to getting lots of spam hawking Viagra, weeny-big, hot teenage
> babes, debt-be-gone, single babes, etc.
>
> But lately, I've been getting slammed with A LOT of spam w/ non-sense
> subjects and content. It consists of a long string of verbs, nouns,
> adjectives, etc., generally in reasonable order but not making any sense
> or logic.
>
> Anybody else getting these lately, all of a sudden?
>
> Rumor has it that its an internet attack from outside the USA. Any info?
>
> -jbb
Whose rumor is that? The reason most of it comes from other countires is
because the US based ISP's are better at blocking them and responding to
abuse complaints. The mailing lists for internet security, anti-spam, etc
are saying that this is in response to modern anti spam software that is
getting better at detecting spam based on grammer checkers and databases of
key words. By sending nonsense spam they fill those antispam databases
with garbage.

This makes it a good time to remind everyone that you should never ever buy
a product from unsolicited mail/phone calls/whatever. As soon as you allow
one unsolicited advertisement to work the senders get more statistics to
show why that method works and 10 more people send an unsolicited ad.
You may also think "whats the dig deal, just delete it" Problem is after 5
years of having the same address I get over 200 spam messages per DAY. My
e-mail address because useless because I couldn't find the real mail in the
mess. The main issue with spam is that is costs everyone but the spammer.
All they need to do is get a free AOL trial or find an open wireless access
point or even an unsecured pc connected to a cable/DSL line and run a
simple program to blast their message.

So remember never buy a product or service from spam no matter how good of a
deal. Never forward chain letters, never put other peoples addresses in
"free" sites.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 3:43 AM

I hate to say it but our government is probably listening in on this,
"Chatter" if you will. What better way for those that do not like us to
communicate in code and being addressed to no one in particular but reaching
probably millions of which only a few select individuals understand.


b

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 2:12 AM

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 03:43:09 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I hate to say it but our government is probably listening in on this,
>"Chatter" if you will. What better way for those that do not like us to
>communicate in code and being addressed to no one in particular but reaching
>probably millions of which only a few select individuals understand.
>
>



for an explanation of usenet garbage posts-by-the-million, do a google
search for "hipcrime"

En

Eugene

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

26/04/2004 1:56 AM

Jeremy wrote:

> One word "mailwasher"
>
> Once you get it set up, 200 emails will take less than 3 minutes.
>
> JJ
>
Only runs on Windoze.
Sure I can setup all kinds of antispam programs, but its like putting a
band-aid on a bullet wound.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "J.B. Bobbitt" on 24/04/2004 11:48 PM

25/04/2004 4:09 AM

Go to the site and get the upgrade...It is a good one. I bought it when he
was not charging a particular amount. IIRC he wanted a minimum donation to
get rid of the advertising. I was registered for $3. in Dec 2001.

"Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Still using 3.3, but I get free updates whenever I bother to check. I
> sent the guy money when he was working out of his house in New Zealand
> and when Firetrust bought the concept he insisted that those who had
> contributed money get free upgrades for life.
>


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