Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let me
know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there in
the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
www.woodshopusa.com
I find your comment interesting and would like to know more about your
getting a web site
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:F7JPb.99671$sv6.428190@attbi_s52...
> Okay folks. I found the root problem here.
>
> First let me preface my opinion by saying that I have been a professional
> web application developer for over 7 years at what some may consider to be
> the top of the software industry food chain, the Microsoft Corporation. I
> only mention this to demontrate that my criticism comes with a certain
> amount of credibility and value.
>
> That said, one of the first things that I noticed is that he is using
> FrontPage (Microsoft's very pedestrian, consumer web editor) to cobble
> together these sites. They are static HTML pages. There are tables with
> empty rows and cells for no reason. There is nothing dynamic or
> database-driven which is why he charges $25 for more than 3 changes per
year
> (a very steep charge just to update your content).
>
> The next thing is that his layouts, font choices, and color schemes are
too
> amateur to be taken seriously enough for any money to change hands. Also
the
> use of page transitions and hit counter scream "personal web site".
>
> He is also using a Java applet even though this will exclude a lot of
users
> from access to its functionality. Doesn't load on my browser. Java is
clunky
> and slow and requires software to be installed.
>
> And, yes, the new window popups are incredibly annoying.
>
> I do not know this person, but all of these things together paint pretty
> picture. So I will offer guesstimates as to his intentions. He is a novice
> at best, and at worst, a Bizarro World spammer.
>
> If he is just a new web dev trying to cut his teeth and make a few bucks,
> fine. But, he realize the his offering is no where near worth $50 bucks a
> year. A better business model would be to make his sites dynamic
> (database-driven with forms for user sign ups and content editing and dump
> the charge for updates) and offer listings for free to all and maybe do a
> service fee as a percentage or flat rate of any sales that are generated
> through his site.
>
> If he is a Bizarro World spammer, he is probably cobbling together these
> little "sites" in a dark, musty room somewhere late at night. He would be
> assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
> Internet doo-dad thigy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch
him
> 50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
>
> In any case, if enough people are interested, I would be happy to build a
> site as I described above. I'd even throw in a Members Only area
(discussion
> forum with private messaging). And I'd run it for free to all. I would not
> say "no" to accepting voluntary donations to help me fill my bad tool
habit
> (that would sure make SWMBO happy). No skin off my teeth either way. Gots
me
> a day job and I makes me sawdust just fine.
>
> Anyway, there's my two bits.
>
>
> codepath
>
>
>
>
>
> "ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and
or
> > sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and
let
> me
> > know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say
you
> > saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am
looking
> > for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there
> in
> > the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> > www.woodshopusa.com
> >
> >
>
>
In article <oX_Ob.89113$nt4.149564@attbi_s51>, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>Still need to...
>Why are you ...
>I would ...
>I would ...
I would not give a spammer free lessons in web design. But that's just me.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:14:46 -0800, "codepath" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[Begin parody; infomercial voice off]
snip
>
>[End parody; infomercial voice off]
>
>
good one....
Thanks for saying this first. I really didn't want to be the first to point
out the problems with this site (which there are many), so now I will just
agree with your opinion.
Digger
"Larry Laminger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Very annoying site...every link opens a new page? Not very professional
> looking either...I'd be reluctant to make a purchase from this site.
>
> ...and $75 per year to display work on the site. You're joking, right?
>
>
> --
> Larry G. Laminger
> http://woodworks.laminger.com
>
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Dude! Don't get your panties in a twist!
1. You never explained who you are or why you jumped from helping cat-freaks
to woodworkers. Are you a woodworker? Are you interested in woodworking? We
don't know because you never properly introduced yourself leaving us to
guess as to your motivation. Your post said "Stupid me for trying to do the
same here". But why are you trying to do the same here?
2. You went ahead and built it first without ever having posted here before
to even ask if there was a market for your offering. Which, if there was, it
has already been filled by any number of established, reputable sites.
3. You charge way too much for what we would be getting. Not to mention half
the full rate for every single change over 3 within a one year time frame. A
year is a very long time in the sales world. There are many more than 3
holidays within a year that may mean discount pricing changes.
4. Settle down, Beavis! I never said that you "were" a spammer, only that
you "could" be. Fine, you're not one. You are a fine up-standing citizen who
only wants to help out. Good for you.
5. You asked for opinions. Be careful what you ask for. If you had ever
bothered to visit here before or at least read some of the posts in this (or
any other group or forum for that matter) then you would have expected, or
at least would not have been surprised, if the response was not all flowers
and sunshine. Maybe that's how it is in rec.catfancy or whatever, but it
ain't like that here (or any other woodworking forum I have ever seen). What
is it lawyers say? "Don't ask a question unless your sure that you know what
the answer is going to be." You should have done you due-diligence and
homework as to what sort of response you could expect.
...and...
6. I think that, in light of all of this, you owe the folks here an apology
for your generally poor attitude. You should have been more forthcoming and
honest about just how you decided to come to our rescue. You have
generalized some responses as a reflection on all who come here. Not fair to
the vast majority who have not even posted to this thread.
Good day. I said Good Day, sir!
codepath
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Okay.. first of all you can all stop this trying to tear me apart... Yes I
> did use FrontPage.. so what.. I have been using it since 98.. and I don't
> sit in a dark room doing this. I run another very successful site for
> listing catteries,, that is where people list the pedigree cats for sale..
I
> have had over 40,000 visitors to this site... Stupid me for trying to do
the
> same here.. And I am not a woman I am a man 60 years of age.. who has
> retired from the Government and wished to continued doing something in
> life.. other than trying to tear people apart.. which it seems it the
nature
> of this forum.. forgive me for being here.. had I known what some of you
> were like I would not have done so. I asked in the beginning for your kind
> attention to the site because I really appreciate some of the work I have
> seen by the craftsman here. I also offered a free listing to anyone who
> contacted me.. so no one did.. okay fine.. I also have a message board..
> don't want to use it fine.. I also offer free association and club
listing,
> don't want to use it, fine. But it is still available.. I will not post
here
> ever again and you guys can wait for another poor sucker to tear apart
which
> seems to be the nature of a lot of you.. The web stays up and improvements
> will be made. . oh yes my email address is [email protected]
>
>
> "Michael Baglio @nc.rr.com>" <mbaglio<NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:23:49 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >He would be
> > >assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this
whole
> > >Internet doo-dad thingy and is hoping that some fools will bite and
pitch
> him
> > >50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
> >
> > That last may be the funniest single sentence I've read on this
> > newsgroup. Maybe, ever.
> >
> > I still think it's really a girl who draws little hearts over her "I"s
> > when she writes in her diary. At least I hope so, 'cause the other
> > option isn't pretty.
> >
> > Michael
>
>
[Begin parody; infomercial voice off]
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"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Michael Baglio
> <mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:02:18 GMT, "ljr" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Okay.. first of all you can all stop this trying to tear me apart...
> >
> >[entire whiney-post snipped]
> >
> >Okay, you've had your say, now you can listen.
> >
> >You barged in here unanounced hawking your website at $75 per.
> >Bad-- really bad-- move. You are a _spammer._
> >
> >You, (who claim to have been a "professional" web designer since '98),
> >not only bludgeoned your way through the rec.ww faq, (which you and I
> >both know you've _never_ bothered to read, but you pretty much broke
> >_every_ rule of common usenet ettiquette, with the possible exception
> >of calling O'Deen a hermaphroditic Nazi. Which he isn't, so good for
> >you, 'cause he's _huge._
>
> ROTFLMAO!! You don't contribute here nearly often enough.
> >
> >Damn. Where was I? Oh yeah...
> >
> >You are a _SPAMMER._
> >
> >Get it yet? If you don't, you've just _proved_ you're not what you
> >claim, because _NO_ newsgroup not dedicated to same welcomes
> >unsolicited commercial postings. And anyone with your vaaaaast
> >experience would know that. Unless you maybe kinda don't reeely have
> >that much vast experience.
> >
> More like half-vast, wouldn't you say? :-)
>
> --
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for
Miss America?
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let
me
> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there
in
> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> www.woodshopusa.com
>
>
Hate to say it, mostly because it's already been said, but someone needs to
work on their design skills.
I know it's not necessary to have a slick site in order to sell something,
but it sure does help if you can navigate through the site without opening
and closing each page individually. After all, that's why they put the
"back" command as prominently.
Dave
Bridger <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:18:03 GMT, Michael Baglio
> <mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >with the possible exception
> >of calling O'Deen a hermaphroditic Nazi. Which he isn't, so good for
> >you, 'cause he's _huge._
>
>
>
>
> what an image... Paddy, with jack boots and swastika tattoos, both
> sets of genitalia swingin' in the breeze....
I would hope the female parts wouldn't swing in the breeze. No sense
subjecting anyone to Giant Clam Syndrome (GCS). DAMHIKT. I mean it,
really. You don't want to know.
Hammuh
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let
me
> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there
in
> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> www.woodshopusa.com
>
I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:39:03 GMT, Michael Baglio
<mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:23:49 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>He would be
>>assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
>>Internet doo-dad thingy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch him
>>50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
>
>That last may be the funniest single sentence I've read on this
>newsgroup. Maybe, ever.
>
>I still think it's really a girl who draws little hearts over her "I"s
>when she writes in her diary. At least I hope so, 'cause the other
>option isn't pretty.
So this guy fits Keeter's idea of the usual web designer, does he?
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Okay folks. I found the root problem here.
First let me preface my opinion by saying that I have been a professional
web application developer for over 7 years at what some may consider to be
the top of the software industry food chain, the Microsoft Corporation. I
only mention this to demontrate that my criticism comes with a certain
amount of credibility and value.
That said, one of the first things that I noticed is that he is using
FrontPage (Microsoft's very pedestrian, consumer web editor) to cobble
together these sites. They are static HTML pages. There are tables with
empty rows and cells for no reason. There is nothing dynamic or
database-driven which is why he charges $25 for more than 3 changes per year
(a very steep charge just to update your content).
The next thing is that his layouts, font choices, and color schemes are too
amateur to be taken seriously enough for any money to change hands. Also the
use of page transitions and hit counter scream "personal web site".
He is also using a Java applet even though this will exclude a lot of users
from access to its functionality. Doesn't load on my browser. Java is clunky
and slow and requires software to be installed.
And, yes, the new window popups are incredibly annoying.
I do not know this person, but all of these things together paint pretty
picture. So I will offer guesstimates as to his intentions. He is a novice
at best, and at worst, a Bizarro World spammer.
If he is just a new web dev trying to cut his teeth and make a few bucks,
fine. But, he realize the his offering is no where near worth $50 bucks a
year. A better business model would be to make his sites dynamic
(database-driven with forms for user sign ups and content editing and dump
the charge for updates) and offer listings for free to all and maybe do a
service fee as a percentage or flat rate of any sales that are generated
through his site.
If he is a Bizarro World spammer, he is probably cobbling together these
little "sites" in a dark, musty room somewhere late at night. He would be
assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
Internet doo-dad thigy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch him
50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
In any case, if enough people are interested, I would be happy to build a
site as I described above. I'd even throw in a Members Only area (discussion
forum with private messaging). And I'd run it for free to all. I would not
say "no" to accepting voluntary donations to help me fill my bad tool habit
(that would sure make SWMBO happy). No skin off my teeth either way. Gots me
a day job and I makes me sawdust just fine.
Anyway, there's my two bits.
codepath
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let
me
> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there
in
> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> www.woodshopusa.com
>
>
you have only had 285 visitors so I can't imagine many people investing $50
to place their work on a site that has had very few visitors and no proven
track record. An idea would to provide a free service for a certain amount
of time to get the hits higher and to grow the site.
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Changes made. take a look.. www.woodshopusa.com and more coming.. and it
is
> $50.00 per year and free listing for associations and organizations.
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:19 -0700, "Creamy Goodness" <creamy at
> > agbf1942 dot com> brought forth from the murky depths:
> >
> > >"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show
and
> or
> > >> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and
> let
> > >me
> > >> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say
> you
> > >> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am
> looking
> > >> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out
> there
> > >in
> > >> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> > >> www.woodshopusa.com
> > >
> > >I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
> >
> > Yes, have Mr. Robin give me a ring.
> > (I spell/grammar-check sites, too, and he needs both there.)
> >
> > -
> > Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm).
> > -----------
> > http://diversify.com Website Application Programming
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, Michael Baglio
<mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:02:18 GMT, "ljr" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Okay.. first of all you can all stop this trying to tear me apart...
>
>[entire whiney-post snipped]
>
>Okay, you've had your say, now you can listen.
>
>You barged in here unanounced hawking your website at $75 per.
>Bad-- really bad-- move. You are a _spammer._
>
>You, (who claim to have been a "professional" web designer since '98),
>not only bludgeoned your way through the rec.ww faq, (which you and I
>both know you've _never_ bothered to read, but you pretty much broke
>_every_ rule of common usenet ettiquette, with the possible exception
>of calling O'Deen a hermaphroditic Nazi. Which he isn't, so good for
>you, 'cause he's _huge._
ROTFLMAO!! You don't contribute here nearly often enough.
>
>Damn. Where was I? Oh yeah...
>
>You are a _SPAMMER._
>
>Get it yet? If you don't, you've just _proved_ you're not what you
>claim, because _NO_ newsgroup not dedicated to same welcomes
>unsolicited commercial postings. And anyone with your vaaaaast
>experience would know that. Unless you maybe kinda don't reeely have
>that much vast experience.
>
More like half-vast, wouldn't you say? :-)
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Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:19 -0700, "Creamy Goodness" <creamy at
agbf1942 dot com> brought forth from the murky depths:
>"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
>> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let
>me
>> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
>> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
>> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there
>in
>> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
>> www.woodshopusa.com
>
>I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
Yes, have Mr. Robin give me a ring.
(I spell/grammar-check sites, too, and he needs both there.)
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In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:39:03 GMT, Michael Baglio
> <mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:23:49 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>He would be
> >>assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
> >>Internet doo-dad thingy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch him
> >>50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
> >
> >That last may be the funniest single sentence I've read on this
> >newsgroup. Maybe, ever.
> >
> >I still think it's really a girl who draws little hearts over her "I"s
> >when she writes in her diary. At least I hope so, 'cause the other
> >option isn't pretty.
>
> So this guy fits Keeter's idea of the usual web designer, does he?
>
Dunno, why don't you post a scan of a page from *your* diary so we can
all make an accurate assessment? ;-)
>
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:19:49 GMT, "ljr" <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and or
>sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and let me
>know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say you
>saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am looking
>for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out there in
>the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
>www.woodshopusa.com
>
WOW
for that kinda money, a fella can host his own damn site, and yea,
actually i DO for that kinda cash
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:49:54 GMT, "ljr" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Changes made. take a look.. www.woodshopusa.com and more coming.. and it is
>$50.00 per year and free listing for associations and organizations.
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>> Yes, have Mr. Robin give me a ring.
>> (I spell/grammar-check sites, too, and he needs both there.)
Without leaving your home page, LJ (nice initials!), I do see
changes, such as:
1) "Adjustable 4 Hose Pipe Hangers 5 Pack img
srcrocklerimages68665gif width290 height183
usemapdust border0 map namedust area shaperect coo..."
2) Your logo is placed on the 4th screen from the top.
I checked several more pages and spaces are missing, words
are misspelled (for their context), colors conflict, etc.
Alas, the grammar has still not been checked, so I remain ready
for hire, sir. www.diversify.com will give you contact info
when you're ready. Ciao!
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Okay.. first of all you can all stop this trying to tear me apart... Yes I
did use FrontPage.. so what.. I have been using it since 98.. and I don't
sit in a dark room doing this. I run another very successful site for
listing catteries,, that is where people list the pedigree cats for sale.. I
have had over 40,000 visitors to this site... Stupid me for trying to do the
same here.. And I am not a woman I am a man 60 years of age.. who has
retired from the Government and wished to continued doing something in
life.. other than trying to tear people apart.. which it seems it the nature
of this forum.. forgive me for being here.. had I known what some of you
were like I would not have done so. I asked in the beginning for your kind
attention to the site because I really appreciate some of the work I have
seen by the craftsman here. I also offered a free listing to anyone who
contacted me.. so no one did.. okay fine.. I also have a message board..
don't want to use it fine.. I also offer free association and club listing,
don't want to use it, fine. But it is still available.. I will not post here
ever again and you guys can wait for another poor sucker to tear apart which
seems to be the nature of a lot of you.. The web stays up and improvements
will be made. . oh yes my email address is [email protected]
"Michael Baglio @nc.rr.com>" <mbaglio<NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:23:49 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >He would be
> >assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
> >Internet doo-dad thingy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch
him
> >50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
>
> That last may be the funniest single sentence I've read on this
> newsgroup. Maybe, ever.
>
> I still think it's really a girl who draws little hearts over her "I"s
> when she writes in her diary. At least I hope so, 'cause the other
> option isn't pretty.
>
> Michael
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:18:03 GMT, Michael Baglio
<mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>with the possible exception
>of calling O'Deen a hermaphroditic Nazi. Which he isn't, so good for
>you, 'cause he's _huge._
what an image... Paddy, with jack boots and swastika tattoos, both
sets of genitalia swingin' in the breeze....
too much....
Everybody has to start somewhere. Some of you people need to learn the art
of constructive criticism. Creamy Goodness? My constructive criticism to
you is that need to shed the smell of Crap that you exude!
"Creamy Goodness" <creamy at agbf1942 dot com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
Upscale writes:
>
>Everybody has to start somewhere. Some of you people need to learn the art
>of constructive criticism.
Yeah, but elsewhere he claims to have been building web sites for something
like 5 years...ABPF, IIRC. And that 75 buck request for posting photos of
pieces for sale is just plain arrogant for an unknown site, with unknown
traffic from an unknown designer.
Charlie Self
"Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves."
Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
You are right.. You don't know me.. visit my cat site www.felineusa.com
Listing for Pedigree catteries.I have had 35,000 visits since I started that
site a little more than a year ago. I am not the greatest designer. But I
have done a few.. Any way here is the deal...www.permes.com
www.notjustglass.com
www.toyln.com
I have made changes and will continue to do so based on what I feel you
people would like to have. I think that is fair. Any way here is the deal.
If you would like to display your craft for a month free write me.. It is
not always about the money. [email protected]
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Upscale writes:
>
> >
> >Everybody has to start somewhere. Some of you people need to learn the
art
> >of constructive criticism.
>
> Yeah, but elsewhere he claims to have been building web sites for
something
> like 5 years...ABPF, IIRC. And that 75 buck request for posting photos of
> pieces for sale is just plain arrogant for an unknown site, with unknown
> traffic from an unknown designer.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of
themselves."
> Dorothy Parker
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I missed that part. Think I'll shut up now.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, but elsewhere he claims to have been building web sites for
something
> like 5 years...ABPF, IIRC. And that 75 buck request for posting photos of
> pieces for sale is just plain arrogant for an unknown site, with unknown
> traffic from an unknown designer.
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> Yeah, but elsewhere he claims to have been building web sites for
something
> like 5 years...ABPF, IIRC. And that 75 buck request for posting photos of
> pieces for sale is just plain arrogant for an unknown site, with unknown
> traffic from an unknown designer.
... on the plus side, his gall bladder seems to be functioning superbly!
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Swingman responds:
>> Yeah, but elsewhere he claims to have been building web sites for
>something
>> like 5 years...ABPF, IIRC. And that 75 buck request for posting photos of
>> pieces for sale is just plain arrogant for an unknown site, with unknown
>> traffic from an unknown designer.
>
> ... on the plus side, his gall bladder seems to be functioning superbly!
Does that mean we're gonna get another spur tof bile?
Ah, hell, it's Monday anyway.
Charlie Self
"Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves."
Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Changes made. take a look.. www.woodshopusa.com and more coming.. and it is
$50.00 per year and free listing for associations and organizations.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:19 -0700, "Creamy Goodness" <creamy at
> agbf1942 dot com> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show and
or
> >> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and
let
> >me
> >> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say
you
> >> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am
looking
> >> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out
there
> >in
> >> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> >> www.woodshopusa.com
> >
> >I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
>
> Yes, have Mr. Robin give me a ring.
> (I spell/grammar-check sites, too, and he needs both there.)
>
> -
> Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm).
> -----------
> http://diversify.com Website Application Programming
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:02:18 GMT, "ljr" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Okay.. first of all you can all stop this trying to tear me apart...
[entire whiney-post snipped]
Okay, you've had your say, now you can listen.
You barged in here unanounced hawking your website at $75 per.
Bad-- really bad-- move. You are a _spammer._
You, (who claim to have been a "professional" web designer since '98),
not only bludgeoned your way through the rec.ww faq, (which you and I
both know you've _never_ bothered to read, but you pretty much broke
_every_ rule of common usenet ettiquette, with the possible exception
of calling O'Deen a hermaphroditic Nazi. Which he isn't, so good for
you, 'cause he's _huge._
Damn. Where was I? Oh yeah...
You are a _SPAMMER._
Get it yet? If you don't, you've just _proved_ you're not what you
claim, because _NO_ newsgroup not dedicated to same welcomes
unsolicited commercial postings. And anyone with your vaaaaast
experience would know that. Unless you maybe kinda don't reeely have
that much vast experience.
So, either you didn't know, which means your clueless and not what you
claim or you did know and don't farking care-- you just want to hawk
your website. Either way, you're a liar.
Congrats. You've just promoted yourself from spammer to lying
spammer. Pathetic-lying-spammer if you count the part about the "Oh
poor me, I'm 60 and just trying to do whatever I can to help the poor
woodworkers out there eke out a meager living and now the meanies on
that newsgroup are telling me I'm not supposed to do that and they are
hurting both of my feeeeeelings."
Quit while you're behind. Or don't. Just stop doing it here.
And stop making us out to be the bad guys for calling you on your
crap.
Michael
Thank God it's Friday. Who's on this next week?
Big improvement.
Still need to get rid of the new windows opening up every time you click
something.
Why are you advertising yourself under "wood links" ??? What does web
design have to do with wood?
I would move that huge 'message board' square to a simple link on the left
side.
I would get rid of the 'hit counter' as someone mentioned before. Looks
cheesy.
"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Changes made. take a look.. www.woodshopusa.com and more coming.. and it
is
> $50.00 per year and free listing for associations and organizations.
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:19 -0700, "Creamy Goodness" <creamy at
> > agbf1942 dot com> brought forth from the murky depths:
> >
> > >"ljr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> Greeting.. I designed a new web site for wood craftspersons to show
and
> or
> > >> sell their work.. Today is the first day it is up so take a look and
> let
> > >me
> > >> know what you think. If you want a display let me know and if you say
> you
> > >> saw it here I will give you $25.00 off the yearly price. Also I am
> looking
> > >> for a few people to contribute ideas to the site.. any experts out
> there
> > >in
> > >> the area of wood work.. here is another chance to be heard. Lou Robin
> > >> www.woodshopusa.com
> > >
> > >I'll agree with everyone else. Yeech, hire a web designer.
> >
> > Yes, have Mr. Robin give me a ring.
> > (I spell/grammar-check sites, too, and he needs both there.)
> >
> > -
> > Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm).
> > -----------
> > http://diversify.com Website Application Programming
>
>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:23:49 GMT, "codepath" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>He would be
>assuming that woodworkers at easy targets who don't understand this whole
>Internet doo-dad thingy and is hoping that some fools will bite and pitch him
>50 bucks. May also explain why he created so many sites about cats.
That last may be the funniest single sentence I've read on this
newsgroup. Maybe, ever.
I still think it's really a girl who draws little hearts over her "I"s
when she writes in her diary. At least I hope so, 'cause the other
option isn't pretty.
Michael