Sun, Jan 4, 2004, 2:40am (EST+5) [email protected] (Toller) says:
When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it
to prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
I'm not sure I understand the problem, as stated.
You've left out some details. What are you using to search with.
Whar are you looking for. What are some of the search words and/or
phrases you used.
I use google, to beging with, at least, and don't have problems.
If google doesn't do it, I usually try dogpile.
JOAT
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Toller wrote:
> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
For example purposes let's suppose you're looking for brass hinges.
1. Use quote marks to denote phrases such as:
"brass hinge"
2. Use a plus sign (+) before each word that MUST be included in the results
such as:
+"solid brass hinge" +Brusso +retail
3. Use a minus sign (-) to exclude pages that contain a certain word such as:
+"solid brass hinge" +Brusso +retail -Amazon
4. Start by being as specific as possible. If you don't find what you're
looking for try relaxing your search requirements.
+"solid brass hinge" +Brusso -Amazon
or
+ hinge +Brusso -Amazon
HTH
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>
> Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it
to
> prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
I don't think it's a grand Amazon conspiracy. These other guys just set up
a storefront that has Amazon as the back end. If you click through to the
product and buy it, the front end guy gets a cut. Honestly, I don't know
how any of these people makes any money because I don't understand the
incentive of going through them instead of just going to Amazon. It's not
like they even hide the fact that you're buying from Amazon. Putting
"-amazon" isn't effective (contrary to a posting I read). I don't know what
to tell you except to get a list of reputable online tool merchants and just
search their sites.
A brief list from my own experience and an archive search of rec.ww
www.coastaltool.com
http://www.internationaltool.com
http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com
http://www.toolcrib.com
http://www.houseoftools.com - Canada
http://nebraskatool.com - Used tools
www.rockler.com
www.woodcraft.com
www.toolsforless.com
Anyone else please feel free to add other suggestions.
todd
Toller wrote:
> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
I search for a lot of things, not just tools, at http://www.froogle.com.
Granted, it isn't perfect - but it is a pretty neat concept, nonetheless.
--Joseph
On Sat 03 Jan 2004 09:02:47p, "todd" <[email protected]> wrote
in news:[email protected]:
> Anyone else please feel free to add other suggestions.
Here's my bookmarks. I think I took out the duplicates from your list but I
didn't doublecheck. :-)
http://www.restoredane.org/index.cfm
http://www.thewoodworkerschoice.com/
http://www.duluthtrading.com/
http://www.wwhardware.com/
http://www.harborfreight.com/
http://www.right-tool.com/
http://www.thesawshop.com/index.shtml
http://www.internationaltool.com/freud.htm
http://www.woodpeck.com/index.html
http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp
http://www.woodbits.com/Catalog/catalog_6.html
http://www.coastaltool.com/
http://www.toolseeker.com/
http://www.mulecab.com/
http://www.888sharpco.com/
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/
http://woodworkerssupply.com/cgi-bin/home.exe
http://www.jointech.com/index.html
http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/
http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/
"C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:40:33 +0000, Toller wrote:
>
> > When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there
any
> > search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
> >
> > Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does
it to
> > prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
>
>
> I start here
>
> http://www.toolseeker.com/index.htm
>
> Not always best price, but close.
Good Site, thanks. Down at the bottom it says
- $10 off purchase $151+ - code: tk0410
What is that about?
todd said:
>"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:B2LJb.33166$%[email protected]...
>> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
>> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>>
>> Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it
>to
>> prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
>
>I don't think it's a grand Amazon conspiracy. These other guys just set up
>a storefront that has Amazon as the back end. If you click through to the
>product and buy it, the front end guy gets a cut. Honestly, I don't know
>how any of these people makes any money because I don't understand the
>incentive of going through them instead of just going to Amazon. It's not
>like they even hide the fact that you're buying from Amazon. Putting
>"-amazon" isn't effective (contrary to a posting I read). I don't know what
>to tell you except to get a list of reputable online tool merchants and just
>search their sites.
>
>A brief list from my own experience and an archive search of rec.ww
>
>www.coastaltool.com
>http://www.internationaltool.com
>http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com
>http://www.toolcrib.com
>http://www.houseoftools.com - Canada
>http://nebraskatool.com - Used tools
>www.rockler.com
>www.woodcraft.com
>www.toolsforless.com
>
>Anyone else please feel free to add other suggestions.
A couple more...
http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/
Highland Hardware - Atlanta
http://www.redmond-machinery.com/default.htm
Wm. J. Redmond & Son, Inc. - General, Jet, Powermatic, Delta etc. -
Atlanta
Greg G.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:40:33 +0000, Toller wrote:
> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>
> Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it to
> prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
I start here
http://www.toolseeker.com/index.htm
Not always best price, but close.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:48:42 +0000, Toller wrote:
>
> "C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:40:33 +0000, Toller wrote:
>>
>> > When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there
> any
>> > search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does
> it to
>> > prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
>>
>>
>> I start here
>>
>> http://www.toolseeker.com/index.htm
>>
>> Not always best price, but close.
>
> Good Site, thanks. Down at the bottom it says
> - $10 off purchase $151+ - code: tk0410
>
> What is that about
The site lists rebates/coupons each with limitations, terms and
conditions. "tk0410" apparently applied to toolking.com purchases. $10
off after spending $150+ is no big deal. Amazon.com had some great
discounts including free s/h over the holidays.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:48:42 +0000, Toller wrote:
>
> "C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:40:33 +0000, Toller wrote:
>>
>> > When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there
> any
>> > search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does
> it to
>> > prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
>>
>>
>> I start here
>>
>> http://www.toolseeker.com/index.htm
>>
>> Not always best price, but close.
>
> Good Site, thanks. Down at the bottom it says
> - $10 off purchase $151+ - code: tk0410
>
> What is that about?
There are many rebates / coupons for tools, and they are not automatically
applied when making purchases. Buyers have to ferret out these savings
and then apply them either at vendor sites or by meeting requirements and
sending them to manufacturers.
Amazon is great for not telling buyers that there are additional coupons /
savings to be had. It pays to be savvy.
Toller wrote:
> Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it
> to prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
Just has something to do with meta tags. People stuff hidden things into
their HTML to try to make it come to the top of search engines.
There's also some element of paying Google money too, probably.
Anyway, why do you say Amazon isn't a "real" company? I bought my JET mini
lathe from them for $199.95, free shipping. Free shipping on an 80-pound
hunk of cast iron is a damn good deal!
I thought it was pretty weird buying a machine from them too, until I
compared prices. They had the lowest price on this item, plus I saved
around $40 in shipping. Kind of a no-brainer. (No commercial interest,
just happy with how the transaction went.)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Joseph Ferris <[email protected]> wrote:
>Toller wrote:
>
>> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there =
any
>> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>
>I search for a lot of things, not just tools, at http://www.froogle.com.=
=20
> Granted, it isn't perfect - but it is a pretty neat concept, =
nonetheless.
>
And, with Google, I tried: bosch 1581AVSK Got lots of Amazon and
Yahoo hits.
Changed the search line to:
bosch 1581AVSK -amazon -yahoo
and they were all gone.
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"Doug Warner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>And, with Google, I tried: bosch 1581AVSK Got lots of Amazon and
>Yahoo hits.
>Changed the search line to:
>bosch 1581AVSK -amazon -yahoo
>and they were all gone.
>To reply, please remove one letter from each side of "@"
>Spammers are VERMIN. Please kill them all.
Well, I just tried the same experiment. It left a bunch of places that if
you follow the links you still end up at Amazon.
todd
Has anyone mentioned...
http://tool-corral.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/index2.html
Bought a tabletop bandsaw 2 years ago. They charge only $18 shipping for NY
to OH. Good deal.
Check it out.
Joe
Be sure to check-out our webpages...
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/kb8qlrjoe/index.html
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:B2LJb.33166$%[email protected]...
> When ever I do a search, I come up with 1000 Amazon clones. Is there any
> search engine that ignore them, or any technique to avoid it.
>
> Does anyone know the story behind this problem? I presume Amazon does it
to
> prevent us from finding real companies, but is there more to it?
>
>