Hello,
Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
be good tools to use?
Sorry for all the questions.
thanks in advance for any help.
Albert
Hi Dave,
Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just wanting
to know the context of the term in woodworking.
Thankx,
John V
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
> when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers flat.
>
> tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
> (optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the doors).
> not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile bits...
>
> dave
>
> Albert Lazo wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> > panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
> > be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> > seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
> > in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> > together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
> > be good tools to use?
> > Sorry for all the questions.
> >
> > thanks in advance for any help.
> > Albert
>
Thank you very much for all the responses.
Albert
Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 17 Jan 2004 20:30:38 -0800, [email protected] (Albert Lazo) wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> >panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
> >be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> >seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
> >in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> >together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
> >be good tools to use?
> >Sorry for all the questions.
> >
> >thanks in advance for any help.
> >Albert
>
> Professionals glue up panels all the time. It's very common. Try to
> get the color and grain to match. I found using the same board cut
> into pieces will give you the best color, since one board comes from
> the same tree. Try to match the grain so that the seam disappears.
> Use either brown or yellow carpenter's glue, whichever matches the
> wood best. Joint the seam so that there are no gaps and make sure the
> boards are absolutely flat and without a step at the seam when drying
> in the clamps. Biscuits help with the alignment. Put everything
> together dry, including the clamps, because once you apply the glue
> work fast before it starts to set up.
On 17 Jan 2004 20:30:38 -0800, [email protected] (Albert Lazo) wrote:
>Hello,
>Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
>panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
>be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
>seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
>in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
>together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
>be good tools to use?
>Sorry for all the questions.
>
>thanks in advance for any help.
>Albert
Professionals glue up panels all the time. It's very common. Try to
get the color and grain to match. I found using the same board cut
into pieces will give you the best color, since one board comes from
the same tree. Try to match the grain so that the seam disappears.
Use either brown or yellow carpenter's glue, whichever matches the
wood best. Joint the seam so that there are no gaps and make sure the
boards are absolutely flat and without a step at the seam when drying
in the clamps. Biscuits help with the alignment. Put everything
together dry, including the clamps, because once you apply the glue
work fast before it starts to set up.
Thanks for the explanation everyone. Much appreciated.
John V
"JohnV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3CqOb.155821$ts4.25833@pd7tw3no...
> Hi Dave,
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
> definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just
wanting
> to know the context of the term in woodworking.
>
> Thankx,
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
> > when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers flat.
> >
> > tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
> > (optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the doors).
> > not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile bits...
> >
> > dave
> >
>
>
careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers flat.
tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
(optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the doors).
not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile bits...
dave
Albert Lazo wrote:
> Hello,
> Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
> be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
> in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
> be good tools to use?
> Sorry for all the questions.
>
> thanks in advance for any help.
> Albert
Don't forget to alternate the growth rings during the glue-up to help keep the
panels flat...Tom
>Albert Lazo wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
>> panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
>> be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
>> seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
>> in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
>> together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
>> be good tools to use?
>> Sorry for all the questions.
>>
>> thanks in advance for any help.
>> Albert
Someday, it'll all be over....
Tom wrote:
>
> Don't forget to alternate the growth rings during the glue-up to help keep the
> panels flat...Tom
> >Albert Lazo wrote:
Won't keep the panel flat. Will keep it from all the way acrossed the
grain cupping
but you'll get rippling instead. Less noticable though. Other option
is to use
hardwood ply - not the rotary cut but the sliced and layed up side by
side. Looks
like solid wood boards but much more stabile. Won't work for raised
panels but ...
charlie b
On 18 Jan 2004 06:17:45 GMT, [email protected] (Tom) Crawled out of
the shop and said. . .:
>Don't forget to alternate the growth rings during the glue-up to help keep the
>panels flat...Tom
>
also, dont clamp too tightly,,,over clamping is almost worse than too
little pressure
If the panel is made of solid wood then don't make a tight fit. Cut 1/116
smaller for expansion or your glue joints will blow apart. We've used a
product called "Space Balls" in the grooves of the rails and stiles.
Nothing to do with Mel Brooks though.
"Traves W. Coppock" <newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On 18 Jan 2004 06:17:45 GMT, [email protected] (Tom) Crawled out of
> the shop and said. . .:
>
> >Don't forget to alternate the growth rings during the glue-up to help
keep the
> >panels flat...Tom
> >
>
> also, dont clamp too tightly,,,over clamping is almost worse than too
> little pressure
Window screen splines come in at least 2 sizes and compress well also.
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:13:41 GMT, "Wilson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If the panel is made of solid wood then don't make a tight fit. Cut 1/116
>smaller for expansion or your glue joints will blow apart. We've used a
>product called "Space Balls" in the grooves of the rails and stiles.
>Nothing to do with Mel Brooks though.
IF biscuits are used ensure they are NOT where cutting the raised
panel will expose them.
"JohnV" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<3CqOb.155821$ts4.25833@pd7tw3no>...
> Hi Dave,
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
> definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just wanting
> to know the context of the term in woodworking.
>
> Thankx,
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
> > when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers flat.
> >
> > tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
> > (optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the doors).
> > not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile bits...
> >
> > dave
> >
> > Albert Lazo wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> > > panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
> > > be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> > > seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
> > > in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> > > together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
> > > be good tools to use?
> > > Sorry for all the questions.
> > >
> > > thanks in advance for any help.
> > > Albert
> >
IF biscuits are used ensure they are NOT where cutting the raised
panel will expose them.
"JohnV" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<3CqOb.155821$ts4.25833@pd7tw3no>...
> Hi Dave,
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
> definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just wanting
> to know the context of the term in woodworking.
>
> Thankx,
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
> > when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers flat.
> >
> > tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
> > (optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the doors).
> > not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile bits...
> >
> > dave
> >
> > Albert Lazo wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> > > panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have to
> > > be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> > > seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is only
> > > in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> > > together what would be the professional way of doing it and what would
> > > be good tools to use?
> > > Sorry for all the questions.
> > >
> > > thanks in advance for any help.
> > > Albert
> >
John,
this link will help, note that although not shown, if you cut 'V' notches in
the caul over the join you will not have to run the risk of damage later
when disassembling the jig. Another method is to place thin scrap between
the glue lines to space the caul off the glue line.
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/pdf/FWW141-044.pdf
regards,
Greg
"JohnV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3CqOb.155821$ts4.25833@pd7tw3no...
> Hi Dave,
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
> definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just
wanting
> to know the context of the term in woodworking.
>
Always, I would even rip down that 16" wide board and edge glue it back
together depending on grain and the type of cut the stock is. When making
cabinet doors my preference for cut is quartersawn for stability but when
making doors you need a lot of it and it is premium lumber at the highest
expense.
EJ
Ouch. I learned that one the hard way - a couple of times.
Bob
"Bob Bowles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> IF biscuits are used ensure they are NOT where cutting the raised
> panel will expose them.
>
> "JohnV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<3CqOb.155821$ts4.25833@pd7tw3no>...
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am
finding
> > definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just
wanting
> > to know the context of the term in woodworking.
> >
> > Thankx,
> >
> > John V
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > careful glue up with or without biscuits. be sure that they are FLAT
> > > when you clamp them. use cauls if you must, to keep those suckers
flat.
> > >
> > > tools? biscuit cutter, clamps, plane or jointer, TS, surface planer
> > > (optional if you have all the planes you need for flattening the
doors).
> > > not to mention a router table and raised panel, rail and stile
bits...
> > >
> > > dave
> > >
> > > Albert Lazo wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > Do professionals glue boards together when building a cabinet raised
> > > > panel door that is more than 22"?. It would seem like it would have
to
> > > > be readily available specially for shops that do cabinet making. It
> > > > seems that the widest hardwood that I can find is 16" and that is
only
> > > > in one place about 50 miles from home. If you do have to glue boards
> > > > together what would be the professional way of doing it and what
would
> > > > be good tools to use?
> > > > Sorry for all the questions.
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance for any help.
> > > > Albert
> > >
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:30:07 GMT, "JohnV"
<[email protected]> Crawled out of the shop and said. .
.:
>Hi Dave,
>
>Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by a caul? I am finding
>definitions as a medical term and a bonnet worn by mennonites. Just wanting
>to know the context of the term in woodworking.
>
a caul is a piece of scrap lumber that is clamped over the plane of
the panel you are glueing, often with a slight bow to give constant
contact when clamped down. using them is supposed to keep the pieces
from buckling or rippling. i never have used them, but i do have a
few friends that do and report great results.
Traves