Folks -
I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter plugs
seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
you chump change out of a hundred.
So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it a
power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
TIA
John Moorhead
I have the Sears unit and it works great for me. I don't
use it often, but it can cut profiles that a router bit
can't cut. I used mine to make single and triple beads.
The cutters leave an adequately smooth finish. I looked at
the Magic Molder; too pricey for this ole boy.
dave
John Moorhead wrote:
> Folks -
>
> I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
> see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
>
> I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter plugs
> seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
> you chump change out of a hundred.
>
> So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
> far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it a
> power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
>
> I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
>
> TIA
>
> John Moorhead
>
>
I have had the Sears' TS cutter for many years and enjoyed making one of a
kind picture frame moldings. Like Dave I too have found it useful for
beading. The wide flat profile makes for fast and easy half lap joints. My
router makes most of the profile I use, so I don't use it as much as in the
past.. I don't make moldings often enough to offset the cost of a shaper.
--
Chipper Wood
useours, yours won't work
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have the Sears unit and it works great for me. I don't
> use it often, but it can cut profiles that a router bit
> can't cut. I used mine to make single and triple beads.
> The cutters leave an adequately smooth finish. I looked at
> the Magic Molder; too pricey for this ole boy.
>
> dave
>
> John Moorhead wrote:
>
> > Folks -
> >
> > I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I
can
> > see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> > advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
> >
> > I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter
plugs
> > seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may*
give
> > you chump change out of a hundred.
> >
> > So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing
as
> > far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it
a
> > power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
> >
> > I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > John Moorhead
> >
> >
>
My comments are about the same as the rest.
I have an old Sears one that I use once in a blue moon for beading. Scares
the shit out of me, but I am still kickin' .
I would not go out of my way to buy one.
Bill
"John Moorhead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks -
>
> I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
> see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
>
> I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter
plugs
> seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
> you chump change out of a hundred.
>
> So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
> far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it a
> power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
>
> I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
>
> TIA
>
> John Moorhead
>
>
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:29:19 -0400, "Rumpty" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>I have an old Sears one that I use once in a blue moon for beading. Scares
>the shit out of me, but I am still kickin' .
>
>Did you run this moulding in a single pass, or did you make multiple passes
>to finished depth?
==============================
I use mind once every OTHER blue moon...and like the other poster it
scares the shit out of me also... I Usually do the cut in one pass...
but what scares me is that the noise is really wicket... not the noise
when cutting just the spinning head....
Bob Griffiths
John Moorhead asks:
>
>I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
>see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
>advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
>
>I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter plugs
>seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
>you chump change out of a hundred.
>
>So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
>far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it a
>power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
Delta makes a set, too. I've got one and it's quite well made. I don't use it
often--it will scare the bean soup out of you with its voice. It does work
well, and it's really unlikely to lose a cutter with the safety bolt inserts,
but it is loud (louder with some cutters than others). I don't see it giving
any more control than a router in a table does, though. You need a special
insert...probably best to make one.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Not to me. Scares me with the noise, and the memory of a shattered piece
years ago which whizzed past my ears. You know how they have modified the
router bits so they can't be overfed and kick? I'll (maybe) buy one for my
saw again when that happens. Tabled routers and multiple level passes make
all the broad moldings you could wish. Shapers make 'em better.
"John Moorhead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks -
>
> I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
> see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
>
"Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Delta Moulding head and bits work well, and is quite useful on the RAS
> the 4" 3 knife head is about $80.00 USD and individual bits about $35 USD
> each. They work well.
I bought a 4" 3 bit moulding head and three bit sets some thirty years ago
for my tablesaw and never once used them. After the purchase, I had second
thoughts about those bits whirring around a few feet from my body. They're
still packed away somewhere, I never could sell them off. Sounds like ebay
might be my answer.
Upscale writes:
>> The Delta Moulding head and bits work well, and is quite useful on the RAS
>> the 4" 3 knife head is about $80.00 USD and individual bits about $35 USD
>> each. They work well.
>
>I bought a 4" 3 bit moulding head and three bit sets some thirty years ago
>for my tablesaw and never once used them. After the purchase, I had second
>thoughts about those bits whirring around a few feet from my body. They're
>still packed away somewhere, I never could sell them off. Sounds like ebay
>might be my answer.
But that's a fairly constant chance with many of today's blades. I've got a
friend who was a grunt in 'Nam. He said when he hit a hardened nail with a
carbide tipped blade, the stuff whizzing by his head brought back very
unpleasant memories.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Charlie,
The Delta moulding system doesn't use carbide tipped knives, they are HSS
so that "danger" isn't there.
Rumpty
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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> But that's a fairly constant chance with many of today's blades. I've got
a
> friend who was a grunt in 'Nam. He said when he hit a hardened nail with a
> carbide tipped blade, the stuff whizzing by his head brought back very
> unpleasant memories.
Rumpty responds:
>Charlie,
>
>The Delta moulding system doesn't use carbide tipped knives, they are HSS
>so that "danger" isn't there.
>
>Rumpty
>
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>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>> But that's a fairly constant chance with many of today's blades. I've got
>a
>> friend who was a grunt in 'Nam. He said when he hit a hardened nail with a
>> carbide tipped blade, the stuff whizzing by his head brought back very
>> unpleasant memories.
My point was not that Delta used carbide cutters in the molding head--I know
they don't--but that a fear of things zipping around the shop is not confinable
to molding heads. In fact, with modern fasteners, there should be almost no
chance of cutters flying loose, short of a complete failure of the head or the
arbor.
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
Charlie Self wrote:
> Rumpty responds:
>
>>Charlie,
>>
>>The Delta moulding system doesn't use carbide tipped knives, they are HSS
>>so that "danger" isn't there.
>>
>>Rumpty
>>
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>>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> But that's a fairly constant chance with many of today's blades. I've
>>>> got
>>a
>>> friend who was a grunt in 'Nam. He said when he hit a hardened nail with
>>> a carbide tipped blade, the stuff whizzing by his head brought back very
>>> unpleasant memories.
>
> My point was not that Delta used carbide cutters in the molding head--I
> know they don't--but that a fear of things zipping around the shop is not
> confinable to molding heads. In fact, with modern fasteners, there should
> be
>almost no chance
Famous last words
> of cutters flying loose, short of a complete failure
> of the head or the arbor.
>
> Charlie Self
> "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
> exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
J. Clarke opines:
>> My point was not that Delta used carbide cutters in the molding head--I
>> know they don't--but that a fear of things zipping around the shop is not
>> confinable to molding heads. In fact, with modern fasteners, there should
>> be
>
>>almost no chance
>
>Famous last words
>
>> of cutters flying loose, short of a complete failure
>> of the head or the arbor.
Fair enough. When was the last time you heard of a properly fastened cutter
flying off a molding head?
Charlie Self
"The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
> >
> > Fair enough. When was the last time you heard of a properly fastened
> > cutter flying off a molding head?
>
> I haven't. Yet. And maybe if I don't tempt the fates the first one I
hear
> about won't be mine.
> --John
Well, you'd better not use your table saw any more, because there is a
non-zero probability that the saw blade will fail catastrophically and turn
into shrapnel. Ditto on the jointer. Better shelve your router as well.
Statistically, you're probably in graver danger getting out of the shower
than operating a molder in the table saw. I hope you haven't given up
showering.
todd
Charlie Self wrote:
> J. Clarke opines:
>
>>> My point was not that Delta used carbide cutters in the molding head--I
>>> know they don't--but that a fear of things zipping around the shop is
>>> not confinable to molding heads. In fact, with modern fasteners, there
>>> should be
>>
>>>almost no chance
>>
>>Famous last words
>>
>>> of cutters flying loose, short of a complete failure
>>> of the head or the arbor.
>
> Fair enough. When was the last time you heard of a properly fastened
> cutter flying off a molding head?
I haven't. Yet. And maybe if I don't tempt the fates the first one I hear
about won't be mine.
> Charlie Self
> "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
> exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>> Fair enough. When was the last time you heard of a properly fastened
> cutter flying off a molding head?
>I haven't. Yet. And maybe if I don't tempt the fates the first one I hear
about won't be mine.
The Delta moulding head is an excellent design and the knives are locked in.
The "Sears" system doesn't impress me.
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > J. Clarke opines:
> >
> >>> My point was not that Delta used carbide cutters in the molding
head--I
> >>> know they don't--but that a fear of things zipping around the shop is
> >>> not confinable to molding heads. In fact, with modern fasteners, there
> >>> should be
> >>
> >>>almost no chance
> >>
> >>Famous last words
> >>
> >>> of cutters flying loose, short of a complete failure
> >>> of the head or the arbor.
> >
> > Fair enough. When was the last time you heard of a properly fastened
> > cutter flying off a molding head?
>
> I haven't. Yet. And maybe if I don't tempt the fates the first one I
hear
> about won't be mine.
>
> > Charlie Self
> > "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in
the
> > exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Upscale writes:
> But that's a fairly constant chance with many of today's blades. I've got
a
> friend who was a grunt in 'Nam. He said when he hit a hardened nail with a
> carbide tipped blade, the stuff whizzing by his head brought back very
> unpleasant memories.
I guess so, but in my mind I think there was a difference between a much
larger bit bolted down onto a moulding head and the one piece, non-carbide
10" saw blade I was using. It was when I was early into woodworking and
didn't know about carbide blades, much less carbide tips shattering and
flying off a saw blade.
As well, I didn't have a proper sized insert for this moulding head and it
didn't occur to me to make one out of plywood or some other material.
We use them all the time in our shop and always on the RAS. Tucked behind a
fence, moulding guard on etc and they are as safe to use as a shaper.
Frankly I'd be scared to use ANY moulding head on a TS, but on a RAS the
wood is nice and flat and stable on the table, safe to control etc.
Cheers!
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"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Rumpty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The Delta Moulding head and bits work well, and is quite useful on the
RAS
> > the 4" 3 knife head is about $80.00 USD and individual bits about $35
USD
> > each. They work well.
>
> I bought a 4" 3 bit moulding head and three bit sets some thirty years ago
> for my tablesaw and never once used them. After the purchase, I had second
> thoughts about those bits whirring around a few feet from my body. They're
> still packed away somewhere, I never could sell them off. Sounds like ebay
> might be my answer.
>
>
>might be my answer.
>>
look here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20789&item=43055559
66&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20789&item=43054396
40&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=4305458069
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20789&item=43045299
81&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=4304778474&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20789&item=4305543669&rd=1
>I have an old Sears one that I use once in a blue moon for beading. Scares
the shit out of me, but I am still kickin' .
Did you run this moulding in a single pass, or did you make multiple passes
to finished depth?
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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My comments are about the same as the rest.
>
> I have an old Sears one that I use once in a blue moon for beading.
Scares
> the shit out of me, but I am still kickin' .
>
> I would not go out of my way to buy one.
>
> Bill
>
> "John Moorhead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Folks -
> >
> > I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I
can
> > see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> > advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
> >
> > I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter
> plugs
> > seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may*
give
> > you chump change out of a hundred.
> >
> > So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing
as
> > far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it
a
> > power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
> >
> > I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > John Moorhead
> >
> >
>
>
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 04:12:47 GMT, "John Moorhead"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Folks -
>
>I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
>see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
>advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
>
>I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter plugs
>seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
>you chump change out of a hundred.
>
>So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
>far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it a
>power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
>
>I'd appreciate any remarks pro or con on this, especially from users.
>
>TIA
>
>John Moorhead
>
they show up regularly on ebay....
>they show up regularly on ebay
That's where I got mine. Note that there are two models of the Sears brand. A
three cutter and a one cutter. Never used a one cutter so can't say if the
work well but the three cutter model I got on ebay for a few bucks did a fine
job of making some bead moulding for a bedroom remodel.
There is almost always one or two for sale on ebay. Don't remember exactly,
but I got mine for $20.00 or less. It included 6 or 7 different cutters.
Mike in Arkansas
[email protected] (JMWEBER987) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >they show up regularly on ebay
>
> That's where I got mine. Note that there are two models of the Sears brand. A
> three cutter and a one cutter. Never used a one cutter so can't say if the
> work well but the three cutter model I got on ebay for a few bucks did a fine
> job of making some bead moulding for a bedroom remodel.
> There is almost always one or two for sale on ebay. Don't remember exactly,
> but I got mine for $20.00 or less. It included 6 or 7 different cutters.
> Mike in Arkansas
Dad used his with a single cutter on a RAS to make all the trim in the
three houses he built across the street in the early 1960s as a
"hobby". He got a three cutter set later on and said it worked
somewhat better. Both the RAS and the molder sets went to my brother
when dad died. I have a 3 cutter set that I use once in a while on my
TS and on my RAS. The RAS looks and sounds scarier, but is probably
safer and does a better job than the TS for me.
Dave Hall
The Delta Moulding head and bits work well, and is quite useful on the RAS
for shaping, moulding and irregular shaping. Quite often found on Ebay, a
much better/stiffer/stable product than the "Sears" moulding heads. New,
the 4" 3 knife head is about $80.00 USD and individual bits about $35 USD
each. They work well.
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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Moorhead asks:
>
> >
> >I've heard about molding heads for tablesaws and a bit about them. I can
> >see that the extra power and control of a TS vs a router would be an
> >advantage... Wif could use some profiled stock for her framing work...
> >
> >I looked at Magic Molder, and the price for the setup and extra cutter
plugs
> >seemed rich. The basic set was mid 300 and additional cutters *may* give
> >you chump change out of a hundred.
> >
> >So who else makes 'em Sears? Freud makes shaper cutters, but nothing as
> >far as I can tell, for a TS. Is this something worth pursuing, or is it
a
> >power tool version of a snicky Stanley 55?
>
> Delta makes a set, too. I've got one and it's quite well made. I don't use
it
> often--it will scare the bean soup out of you with its voice. It does work
> well, and it's really unlikely to lose a cutter with the safety bolt
inserts,
> but it is loud (louder with some cutters than others). I don't see it
giving
> any more control than a router in a table does, though. You need a special
> insert...probably best to make one.
>
> Charlie Self
> "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the
> exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
>
>
>