craftsman table saw decent?

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"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:48:44 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >...when the new Binford 5000 GT Megasaw arrives.
>
> I swear I must be the only one who noticed this, but nearly all of the
> tools used on that show were model 6100. There were only two or three
> exceptions that I noticed and I think I saw all of the shows.
>
> I figured it must have been an inside joke.
>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net

"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for the info :)
>
> I stopped by sears to take a look at it and it looks like a fairly
> solid saw. The fence and guage don't wobble and it seems generally
> well put together. The problem I've found, however, is that this thing
> is pretty big. I could probably clear enough room to put it in the
> back of the garage and maybe fit a car in, however that would mean
> lugging a 215 lb saw out to use it, which isn't quite easy.
>
Car in the Garage? Heresey. Garages are for our tools.

D. Mo

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> back or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new
> Binford 5000 GT Megasaw arrives.

I miss that show so much. I saw Jill the other day on Law and Order,
covering for her murdering teenage daughter or something. Tim is of course
busy playing Santa Claus.

> My first saw was even cheaper, but I learned a lot and made some good
> looking projects on it. I do not regret having owned it. Good luck wth
> your new hobby. Please report back with the results of your first project.

I'm making due with a "$200" saw that I got for $50. Whatever the OP is
looking at, I'll bet it's something I'd love to have myself.

One thing about starting with a crappy saw, it teaches you to appreciate a
good one when you get it. It's hard to get much crappier than a Skil 3400.
You can do it, but you have to get a saw at Big Lots or something.

Whether or not I would consider the OP's saw in question a "crappy" one I
can't say. I know everybody hates Crapsman, and I sure hate my Crapsman
POS 2000 router. Buying a Crapsman as my trade-up saw would probably be a
mistake.

It's not off the table though. I might get a Crapsman. One thing about
Sears, they're *there*. Most of this other stuff is mail order or drive to
Big City USA. Lowe's stocks three table saws. HD has the BT3100 and the
Skil 3400; maybe a Makita or Hitachi benchtop. Reed's has a few benchtops
from Delta and Makita and such. Nobody stocks JET, nobody carries a full
line of Delta... Motor freight isn't cheap, and it's an added PITA. I
like to just buy the damn thing and take it home.

I looked at Delta and I looked at Crapsman when I had $300 to spend on a DP.
I got the Crapsman.

I got the Crapsman when I needed a drill too.

Circular saw...

I guess 1/3 of my power tools are from there, and I use them all the time.
No, I'm not above buying Crapsman again. I won't buy another one of these
horrible routers though.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Ed/Chad -

Every EXPERIENCED woodworker knows that the Binford 5000 GT Megasaw isn't
as NEARLY as GOOD as the Binford 6000 GT-Z Ultra Megasaw.... Like MINE!

Ed is right tho' use the craftsman safely until you learn your way around,
and then move up to a better saw. A good blade (Forrest WWII) would also go
a long way... Until YOU can step UP to the ULTIMATE QUALITY of BINFORD!

Either way enjoy yourself, learn and work safely...

Cheers,

John "Proud Binford Owner" Moorhead
Lakeport, CA

PS: I ordered MY BINFORD with snarklesnipe trangfallers for truer cuts and
MORE POWER..... Think about it!

Silvan wrote:

>> Why would you want a car in your shop? Automobiles are waterproof;
>> leave it outside where it belongs.
>
> Absolutely. My grandpa has had a Chevy Caprice outside since 1972,
> and it's still fine. The paint looks a little rough, mind you, but
> who cares what a car looks like? :)

I'm VERY happily married, but I've had females come up to me and my 1995
Viagra^H^H^H^H^HFirebird and comment how nice it looks. <g> There wasn't
the slightest doubt I could have gone for a ride, then gone for a ride. <g>
Two friends of mine with Corvettes reported similar experiences.

-- Mark

In rec.woodworking
[email protected] (Chad Cunningham) wrote:

>I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
>are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
>saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
>doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
>and see where it takes me.
>
>Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
>have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
>a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
>saw on sale for $399
>(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00922839000).
>This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
>would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
>gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
>HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
>desireable things.
>

My only recommmendation is to find $59 more and buy the version with the
cast iron router wing and fence. I have that saw and I'm happy with it
but....

It didn't run true and is a ROYAL pain in the ass to adjust if the blade
isn't square to the mitre slots.

It really isn't powerful enough to do long rips on 8/4 hardwood, even with
a Forrest WWII blade.

The fence is nice but, as one guy mentioned, the fact that the rail is in
two pieces makes is a pain in the ass. I had to fiddle and fuss with mine,
including filing on it to get the fence to slide over the joint smoothly.

In rec.woodworking
[email protected] (Chad Cunningham) wrote:

>I stopped by sears to take a look at it and it looks like a fairly
>solid saw. The fence and guage don't wobble and it seems generally
>well put together. The problem I've found, however, is that this thing
>is pretty big. I could probably clear enough room to put it in the
>back of the garage and maybe fit a car in, however that would mean
>lugging a 215 lb saw out to use it, which isn't quite easy.

If you get the one I suggested, it comes with the roller base.

>I'm debating instead getting a crappy bench top saw.

Don't do it. You won't be happy with it.

When I was TS shopping, I also had about a $400 limit. And I came very close
to getting that one. But, this one
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00924830000&bidsite=null) was on sale for the exact same price (now $60
more). It's the exact same saw plus an accessory kit.

But that $60 gets you alot of extras:
- mobile base (alone worth the extra dough)
- dust collection cover (plate on bottom with 4" hole)
- router mounting kit (kind a sucky tho)
- micro-adjusting feature on the fence (nice)

The mobile base is worth the $60. That suckers gonna be a PITA to move
without one. If you're like me (working in your garage), it is a necessity.
Making one will prolly cost $60 for the casters and materials or a new
ready-made one will cost more.

As for the rest of the items, well, after the mobile base they are basically
free.

If this saw (with the accessories) is out, the saw that you are looking at
does have the mountings for the micro-adjuster, you could probably get it
separately from Sears Parts and install it yourself.

Actually, in the end, I got a used Craftsman contractor saw (2HP [15A/110V
or 7.5A/220V], cast iron top and wings, Jet Xacta fence, mobile base, dust
collection plate, link belt with machined pulleys, Freud combo blade, and
more for about $325). Then I used the extra $75 towards a Incra V27 with the
fence/stop combo.

[sorry for the drive-by gloat, but with a little time you can get a great
deal on a used]

Anyhoo, just throwing that out there. Don't you hate it when you say you
have a budget and someone knucklehead tells you to spend more anyway?



Scott





"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

In rec.woodworking
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> back or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new
>> Binford 5000 GT Megasaw arrives.
>
>I miss that show so much.

i just heard that the actor that played Wilson died of lung cancer.

[email protected] (Chad Cunningham) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399

I used that saw last week at a friend's house. It's just fine. You
will be able to do a lot of nice work on it.

Don't buy a benchtop saw. I used a Delta benchtop saw for a few years
and it was totally frustrating. I now have a Jet contractor's saw and
don't find it to be any more accurate than my friend's Craftsman.

Go for it.

Dick Durbin

Thanks for the info :)

I stopped by sears to take a look at it and it looks like a fairly
solid saw. The fence and guage don't wobble and it seems generally
well put together. The problem I've found, however, is that this thing
is pretty big. I could probably clear enough room to put it in the
back of the garage and maybe fit a car in, however that would mean
lugging a 215 lb saw out to use it, which isn't quite easy.

I'm debating instead getting a crappy bench top saw... Until we move
in 3-5 years and get a deeper garage, it would certainly be more
convenient, and would also give me time to keep my eyes out for a
great garage sale deal on a quality used saw. I have a nice 12" miter
saw which will crosscut most of what I need without problems, so I
primarily just need something to rip. Granted a cheapy benchtop saw
isn't the best for that, but I'm thinking it'll get close enough to
finish and straigten it up with a plane.

Then again I'm having a hard time passing up a halfway decent saw for
$300 off.

Decisions decisions.

>
> I say go for it. Can you get better saws? Of course, but they would be in
> the $700 and up range.
> You will buy this saw and one of two things will happen.
>
> 1. You find that woodworking is not your idea of a fun time. You keep the
> saw for the occasional birdhouse your wife wants or to trim a board for a
> closet shelf. For $200, it works well.
>
> 2. You love woodworking. With this saw you learn all the basics. You learn
> what is important to you so you can buy the next saw that will last the rest
> of your life. It will have the fence yu dream about, the solid table, the
> smooth sound of power when you hit the switch on the 5 hp motor.
>
> Either way, you can sell the saw and get most, if not all of your $200 back
> or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new Binford 5000
> GT Megasaw arrives.
>
> My first saw was even cheaper, but I learned a lot and made some good
> looking projects on it. I do not regret having owned it. Good luck wth
> your new hobby. Please report back with the results of your first project.
> Ed

> >I'm debating instead getting a crappy bench top saw.
>
> Don't do it. You won't be happy with it.

Nope, probably not :) But it would serve as a throwaway introduction.

Of course I'm thinking I'm not in a hurry and there is quite a bit i
can do for now to practice with some hand tools and circular saw. I'm
thinking I'll just take my time and keep an eye on yard sales and
classifieds. Only problem is knowing what is decent. This thing is not
far from me:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369178729&category=20789

But lord knows what it actually is.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:54:20 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>http://www.hiarchive.co.uk/binford_tools.php

Cool site.
>
>
>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:48:44 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>> >...when the new Binford 5000 GT Megasaw arrives.
>>
>> I swear I must be the only one who noticed this, but nearly all of the
>> tools used on that show were model 6100. There were only two or three
>> exceptions that I noticed and I think I saw all of the shows.
>>
>> I figured it must have been an inside joke.

I was partially correct. There are 19 different model numbers that
were used. Of the 18 other than 6100, most were only assigned once,
with the net result of about 24 or so tools with model numbers other
than 6100. There were 38 tools with the model number 6100.

Thanks for the link.

LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Anybody else notice the scene in "Gone In 60 Seconds" in Robert Duvall's
shop with the Binford sign on the wall behind them?

I'll post it on abpw in case anyone is interested.

Lionel
..............
Take the dog out before sending email.

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > I'd like to start
> > doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> > and see where it takes me.
> >
> > Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> > have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> > a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> > saw on sale for $399
>
> I say go for it. Can you get better saws? Of course, but they would be
in
> the $700 and up range.
> You will buy this saw and one of two things will happen.
>
> 1. You find that woodworking is not your idea of a fun time. You keep the
> saw for the occasional birdhouse your wife wants or to trim a board for a
> closet shelf. For $200, it works well.
>
> 2. You love woodworking. With this saw you learn all the basics. You
learn
> what is important to you so you can buy the next saw that will last the
rest
> of your life. It will have the fence yu dream about, the solid table, the
> smooth sound of power when you hit the switch on the 5 hp motor.
>
> Either way, you can sell the saw and get most, if not all of your $200
back
> or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new Binford
5000
> GT Megasaw arrives.
>
> My first saw was even cheaper, but I learned a lot and made some good
> looking projects on it. I do not regret having owned it. Good luck wth
> your new hobby. Please report back with the results of your first project.
> Ed
>
>

I have a Delta Contr. saw-that I made a mobile base for
'cause it's a heavy sucker! I work outside (when I can)
here in Montana and need to move it over rough surfaces
(dirt and gravel) to use it. I made a frame across the
bottom of the sheet metal stand it's on, mounted 8"
lawnmower wheels on the frame so that they're approx. 1/8"
off the ground. Simply tilt the saw forward a bit and
drive it like a wheelbarrow. It sits outside (tarped, of course)
as we speak with about 8" of snow on the tabletop. Seems the
garage is too full of other crap to take it inside...hmmm....
maybe I make some room in there come Spring. Sure am
glad I made up that ultra-durable hard wax last summer--
everything on the saw that's metal is coated with it.

Roger




<[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When I was TS shopping, I also had about a $400 limit. And I came very close
> to getting that one. But, this one
> (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
> pid=00924830000&bidsite=null) was on sale for the exact same price (now $60
> more). It's the exact same saw plus an accessory kit.
>
> But that $60 gets you alot of extras:
> - mobile base (alone worth the extra dough)
> - dust collection cover (plate on bottom with 4" hole)
> - router mounting kit (kind a sucky tho)
> - micro-adjusting feature on the fence (nice)
>
> The mobile base is worth the $60. That suckers gonna be a PITA to move
> without one. If you're like me (working in your garage), it is a necessity.
> Making one will prolly cost $60 for the casters and materials or a new
> ready-made one will cost more.
>
> As for the rest of the items, well, after the mobile base they are basically
> free.
>
> If this saw (with the accessories) is out, the saw that you are looking at
> does have the mountings for the micro-adjuster, you could probably get it
> separately from Sears Parts and install it yourself.
>
> Actually, in the end, I got a used Craftsman contractor saw (2HP [15A/110V
> or 7.5A/220V], cast iron top and wings, Jet Xacta fence, mobile base, dust
> collection plate, link belt with machined pulleys, Freud combo blade, and
> more for about $325). Then I used the extra $75 towards a Incra V27 with the
> fence/stop combo.
>
> [sorry for the drive-by gloat, but with a little time you can get a great
> deal on a used]
>
> Anyhoo, just throwing that out there. Don't you hate it when you say you
> have a budget and someone knucklehead tells you to spend more anyway?
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> "Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> > are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> > saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> > doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> > and see where it takes me.
> >
> > Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> > have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> > a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> > saw on sale for $399
> >
> (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
> pid=00922839000).
> > This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> > would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> > gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> > HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> > desireable things.
> >
> > Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> > respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> > would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> > $200 to me?

Mark Jerde wrote:

>> who cares what a car looks like? :)
>
> I'm VERY happily married, but I've had females come up to me and my 1995
> Viagra^H^H^H^H^HFirebird and comment how nice it looks. <g> There wasn't
> the slightest doubt I could have gone for a ride, then gone for a ride.
> <g> Two friends of mine with Corvettes reported similar experiences.

I can't even go there without launching into a long prattle about how much
my sex life sucks. I really don't need that kind of temptation.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Bruce wrote:

>>I miss that show so much.
>
> i just heard that the actor that played Wilson died of lung cancer.

Bummer. :(

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

The saw is fine, and a decent buy for $400. However...

1) You can get a slightly used saw that is just as good for $200. Moving it
is a real pain, but you avoid the pain of assembling it!
2) I would not recommend a saw with less then a 27" deep table, but if you
are truly going to just do light stuff, they make serviceable 20" deep saws
for rather less money.

If you have some time, you can probably get something better second hand.
TS rarely wear out. I've seen nice Deltas for $150. I have two Craftsmen
that are about 25 years old! They work very well, but the fences are not so
hot.
Wilson
"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

As long as it uses the belt drive it should be okay, for a couple hundred
you can't go wrong, and if you don't enjoy it someone will snap it up from
you quick.

Dave

"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > >I'm debating instead getting a crappy bench top saw.
>>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369178729&category=20789
You should go look at it if your close, It don't look like a bad saw,

Its the full 27" depth table too.
tony D.

Chad,

Bought the one with the router table wing a few years ago. Not the
greatest saw out there but certainly worth you $200 out-of-pocket cost!

Good luck and happy New Year!
Bill

--

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."
-Theodore Roosevelt


"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=T
OOL&pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

\> I stopped by sears to take a look at it and it looks like a fairly
> I'm debating instead getting a crappy bench top saw... Until we move
> in 3-5 years and get a deeper garage, it would certainly be more
> convenient, and would also give me time to keep my eyes out for a
> great garage sale deal on a quality used saw. I have a nice 12" miter
> saw which will crosscut most of what I need without problems, so I
> primarily just need something to rip. Granted a cheapy benchtop saw
> isn't the best for that, but I'm thinking it'll get close enough to
> finish and straigten it up with a plane.
>
> Then again I'm having a hard time passing up a halfway decent saw for
> $300 off.
>
> Decisions decisions.

I'd go with the full size contractor saw...you won't be sorry. I have
the same saw, except I got the one with the router wing and mobile
base, and I am quite happy with it. Once I trued everything up right,
it cuts perfectly square, and it's still true almost a year later.
It's real easy to move around the garage on the mobile base too. I did
have to do a little filing where the two-piece rail fits together, but
the fence isn't bad. Once set, it locks down square every time, and is
much better than you'd get on a benchtop saw. The router table works
great also (although it's drilled for only Craftsman or Ryobi
routers), and it will save you that much more shop space. I think the
router wing model would serve you better...even if you don't use the
router table, you get the cast iron wing plus the mobile base for
nearly the same price. I got mine for $449 (Craftsman Club days), and
it went on sale a couple months later for $399. The manager went ahead
and credited me the $50, which was pretty nice of them.

Tom

I assembled one of them for a friend and it wasn't all that bad. He
loves it. Personally I like my old Rockwell better. Go buy that
baby it's going to be the best TS you have ever owned.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:42:17 GMT, "David Babcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>As long as it uses the belt drive it should be okay, for a couple hundred
>you can't go wrong, and if you don't enjoy it someone will snap it up from
>you quick.
>
>Dave
>
>"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
>> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
>> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
>> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
>> and see where it takes me.
>>
>> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
>> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
>> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
>> saw on sale for $399
>>
>(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
>pid=00922839000).
>> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
>> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
>> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
>> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
>> desireable things.
>>
>> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
>> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
>> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
>> $200 to me?
>

On 30 Dec 2003 12:05:01 -0800, [email protected] (Chad Cunningham)
wrote:


>I could probably clear enough room to put it in the
>back of the garage and maybe fit a car in, however that would mean
>lugging a 215 lb saw out to use it, which isn't quite easy.

Why would you want a car in your shop? Automobiles are waterproof;
leave it outside where it belongs.

LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:48:44 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:


>...when the new Binford 5000 GT Megasaw arrives.

I swear I must be the only one who noticed this, but nearly all of the
tools used on that show were model 6100. There were only two or three
exceptions that I noticed and I think I saw all of the shows.

I figured it must have been an inside joke.

LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

note that the aluminum front rail is joined from two pieces. I have no
idea why they did that, but it's a pain. a buddy of mine has that saw
and I found the discontinuity aggravating. other than that it runs OK,
has adequate power for what it is and seems to adjust easily. I
haven't gotten into the works of it to be able to tell you if or how
easily it can be tuned up, nor have I tried to do any precise or heavy
work with it.
Bridger




On 30 Dec 2003 07:28:10 -0800, [email protected] (Chad Cunningham)
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
>are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
>saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
>doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
>and see where it takes me.
>
>Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
>have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
>a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
>saw on sale for $399
>(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00922839000).
>This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
>would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
>gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
>HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
>desireable things.
>
>Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
>respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
>would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
>$200 to me?

LRod wrote:

> Why would you want a car in your shop? Automobiles are waterproof;
> leave it outside where it belongs.

Absolutely. My grandpa has had a Chevy Caprice outside since 1972, and it's
still fine. The paint looks a little rough, mind you, but who cares what a
car looks like? :)

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:14:38 -0500, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Speaking of Binford tools, I read this morning where "Wilson" died! Now
>who will counsel Tim?

Ohmigosh! I somehow missed that in the paper; had to look it up on the
net to verify (sorry).

I was surprised to learn he had been a long time soap opera player.

I knew of him from one of my favorite movies, Silverado, which was
where I always sent Tool Time fans who needed to know what he looked
like.

How am I ever going to be inspired to go to any festival honoring the
Punic Wars, now?

LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:28:30 GMT, "john moorhead"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Every EXPERIENCED woodworker knows that the Binford 5000 GT Megasaw isn't
>as NEARLY as GOOD as the Binford 6000 GT-Z Ultra Megasaw.... Like MINE!

As I pointed out in the other post, almost all Binford tools are model
6100. There were only a handful of exceptions.

>John "Proud Binford Owner" Moorhead
>Lakeport, CA
>
>PS: I ordered MY BINFORD with snarklesnipe trangfallers for truer cuts and
>MORE POWER..... Think about it!

Dual dipsticks and high speed hubcaps; de rigeur for any high power
tool.


LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Decent is a relative thing Chad. With a direct comparison to my Jet Cabinet
saw probably not, with a direct comparison to a lot of the bench top saws,
probably much more so.

The question is will it do the basic job you want done in, at least, a
workman like manner and fit into the budget. The obvious answer is yes it
will as long as you understand and compensate for it's limitations. You
aren't going to be able to feed stock through the way I do with a three
horse power motor saw and you may have to check your alignments a bit more
often but we all have to start somewhere and if the saw will spin the blade
somewhere over 3K rpm it will do the basic job of cutting wood. .

Good luck

--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

I'm right in the middle of putting that very saw together thanks to my
lovely bride responding to two years of less and less subtle hints. I'll be
using it this weekend and will let you know what I think.

It was a tool time Xmas this year. Not only was there a table saw under the
tree (well, actually wrapped up on the garage floor) but also a stocking
full of cool gadgets (magnetic pick-up, flexible drill shaft thingie, etc)
but also a big fat gift card from the father in law to Home Depot so I have
him to thank for my brand new three base Ryobi router kit. Don't know if
this means the wife wants me out of the house and in the garage or what . .
.



"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > I'd like to start
> > doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> > and see where it takes me.
> >
> > Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> > have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> > a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> > saw on sale for $399
>
> I say go for it. Can you get better saws? Of course, but they would be
in
> the $700 and up range.
> You will buy this saw and one of two things will happen.
>
> 1. You find that woodworking is not your idea of a fun time. You keep the
> saw for the occasional birdhouse your wife wants or to trim a board for a
> closet shelf. For $200, it works well.
>
> 2. You love woodworking. With this saw you learn all the basics. You
learn
> what is important to you so you can buy the next saw that will last the
rest
> of your life. It will have the fence yu dream about, the solid table, the
> smooth sound of power when you hit the switch on the 5 hp motor.
>
> Either way, you can sell the saw and get most, if not all of your $200
back
> or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new Binford
5000
> GT Megasaw arrives.
>
> My first saw was even cheaper, but I learned a lot and made some good
> looking projects on it. I do not regret having owned it. Good luck wth
> your new hobby. Please report back with the results of your first project.
> Ed
>
>

Check around Sears (catalog & store), you may do better. My saw is a
Craftsman that delivers 2.7 hp. I got it for less than $200 (if I remember
correctly).
Good luck and Happy New Year.
Joe

Be sure to check-out our webpages...
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/kb8qlrjoe/index.html

Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to get a table saw for introductory woodworking usage. We
> are going to be doing some trim work and wood flooring where a table
> saw might be slighly useful, but more importantly I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399
>
(http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&
pid=00922839000).
> This looks to be a good notch above the el cheapo benchtop models that
> would normally be in my budget and would only run me $200 with the
> gift certificates. It uses a belt driven induction drive motor at 1.5
> HP with a decent sized cast iron table, all of which I've read are
> desireable things.
>
> Now, granted, for slightly more money I could probably get a more
> respected saw, but given that I get $200 off thanks to gift cards,
> would this be a good investment for a first table saw at a net cost of
> $200 to me?

Speaking of Binford tools, I read this morning where "Wilson" died! Now
who will counsel Tim?

--
In golf, it's not the score that counts--it's the company!

"Chad Cunningham" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> I'd like to start
> doing some introductory projects with woodworking to gain some skill
> and see where it takes me.
>
> Here's the kicker, I've got about $200 to spend right now. But, I also
> have $200 in mall gift certificates, and where there's a mall, there's
> a sears. I was looking around and saw a craftsman 10" stationary table
> saw on sale for $399

I say go for it. Can you get better saws? Of course, but they would be in
the $700 and up range.
You will buy this saw and one of two things will happen.

1. You find that woodworking is not your idea of a fun time. You keep the
saw for the occasional birdhouse your wife wants or to trim a board for a
closet shelf. For $200, it works well.

2. You love woodworking. With this saw you learn all the basics. You learn
what is important to you so you can buy the next saw that will last the rest
of your life. It will have the fence yu dream about, the solid table, the
smooth sound of power when you hit the switch on the 5 hp motor.

Either way, you can sell the saw and get most, if not all of your $200 back
or three years from now you pass it on to someone when the new Binford 5000
GT Megasaw arrives.

My first saw was even cheaper, but I learned a lot and made some good
looking projects on it. I do not regret having owned it. Good luck wth
your new hobby. Please report back with the results of your first project.
Ed

"kb8qlr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check around Sears (catalog & store), you may do better. My saw is a
> Craftsman that delivers 2.7 hp. I got it for less than $200 (if I remember
> correctly).
> Good luck and Happy New Year.
> Joe

Maybe 2.7hp developed. That is about 1hp in normal terms.