Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
Any other thoughts about this from someone who
has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
forever.
MJ Wallace
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:42:54 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Just Allan wrote:
>
>> "MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
>>> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
>>> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
>>> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
>>> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
>>> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
>>> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
>>> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>>
>> Why not instead spend that money on a sheet-fed scanner? Neatly
>> guillotine (or just cut with scissors) the spines off the
>> magazines/books, scan them on the sheet-fed scanner into OCR software
>> and put onto CD-R. Not only are they then searchable for keywords,
>> but you can share them online with other folks as well.
>
>Much bigger task than you might think. Trust me on this--I used to get paid
>to do that sort of thing. And OCR still doesn't work that well.
Oh, I know - believe me. I've scanned lots of books - mainly
electronics/education related. That's why I suggested cutting off the
spines and a sheet-fed scanner. : )
>As for as "share them online with other folks as well", that is called
>"copyright violation" and if you do it without permission of the copyright
>holder it is a crime in most countries.
Shh.....!
Mon, Jul 12, 2004, 11:18am (EDT-3) [email protected] (MJ=A0Wallace)
Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking magazines
have grown to a volume that has to be dealt with. <snip>
Keep them off the floor, make sure they don't get wet if you roof
leaks, hope mice don't get to them.
If you've got that many, I'd go thru them, and get rid of all you
absolutely can't stand to part with. I did that awhile back with my
Fine Woodworking. Don't regret it for a minute, and plan on doing the
same soon with the rest of my old woodworking magazines. However, my
WoodenBoat magazines will be staying.
Making a success of the job at hand is the best step toward the kind you
want.
- Bernard M. Baruch
More likely, your boss gets a raise and/or promotion, from getting
credit for your work.
- JOAT
On 12 Jul 2004 11:18:27 -0700, [email protected] (MJ Wallace)
wrote:
>Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
>magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
>with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
>is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
>and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
>last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
>putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
>in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>
>Any other thoughts about this from someone who
>has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
>so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
>25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
>paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>
>I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
>I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
>to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
>forever.
>
>MJ Wallace
Store them in air-tight containers off the ground at least a foot and
they will last longer. Ask a librarian for more ideas.
MJ Wallace wrote:
>
> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>
> Any other thoughts about this from someone who
> has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
> so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
> 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
> paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>
Might check with a pet store that sells reptiles. There
are roll up electric strip heaters that might work.
They're made to stick on the bottom of a vivarium.
Keeps my outdoor caged iguana comfy during the winter
without turning him into "tastes just like chicken"
horse duvers (apologies to French speaking members
and those English speaking members who can spell.
Is there a French word in which NONE of the letters
are pronounced? Was there some kind of treaty
where the French got almost all the vowels and just
some of the consenants and the Slavic countries got
one or two vowels and almost all of the consenants?)
charlie b
charlie b
In article <[email protected]>,
MJ Wallace <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
>magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
>with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
>is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
>and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
>last there without getting attached by mold, etc?
Unless you have a persistant moisture accumulation problem in
the garage, _mold_ is not likely to be much of an issue. Insects
of various forms are a more likely concern.
> I will be
>putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
>in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
Note: silica gel is 'useful' *only* in TIGHTLY-CLOSED containers.
>Any other thoughts about this from someone who
>has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
>so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
>25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
>paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>
>I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
>I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
>to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
>forever.
I would consider getting some of the plastic storage tubs that have
tight-fitting lids. Ones that are _deep_ enough to hold magazines
'standing up'. depending on the size of the tub, you should get two,
or three 'columns' of magazines in it. from a weight perspective,
one that neatly holds two rows is preferable.
Load each row only about 90% full -- this leaves enough room to 'thumb
through' the issues to see what's what, _without_ having them sagging
excessively.
Add a couple of 'freshly baked' silica gel packets to each tub, and
you should be good.
Thanks all to responding to this rather unusual request
from this group. I think the best is to put them into
plastic see-thru tubs and drop the silicia packets into
there. At least they will be protected from mice/bugs
and moisture. All I could ask.
I would cull them (as suggested), but you know,
everyone now and thenI rummage through them
and find something I like to build or discuss a topic
that I need to know more about.
Scanning them would be the best, but the amount of
time and effort would be tremendous. Perhaps, I could
see that for a couple of them, but not all.
Well, thanks to you all again.
MJ Wallace
"NoOne N Particular" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Try going to a marine supply store. Humidity is a constant threat to boats
> and they will usually have several ways of controlling (or attempting to
> control) humidity.
>
> Wayne
>
> By the way, the north side like San Quentin?? :-) I am out in the
> Antioch/Brentwood area so our temps are more like 30-115.
Good ideas. I'm in Sebastopol, out towards Bodega and Bodega
Bay. We get fog most of the summer it seems, (this is
our first year in our new home). So I'm a little concerned
about moisture. I also like the space bag idea as well.
MJ Wallace
From about 60 miles north of LA, CA my collection of FWW and other
rages are in a cabinet in the garage and the only thing I've done for
protection is silverfish bait. No damage noted. For convenience
they're stored in plastic magazine cases to avoid flopping around,
much easier.
On 14 Jul 2004 11:09:45 -0700, [email protected] (MJ Wallace)
wrote:
>Thanks all to responding to this rather unusual request
>from this group. I think the best is to put them into
>plastic see-thru tubs and drop the silicia packets into
>there. At least they will be protected from mice/bugs
>and moisture. All I could ask.
>
>I would cull them (as suggested), but you know,
>everyone now and thenI rummage through them
> and find something I like to build or discuss a topic
> that I need to know more about.
>
>Scanning them would be the best, but the amount of
>time and effort would be tremendous. Perhaps, I could
>see that for a couple of them, but not all.
>
>Well, thanks to you all again.
>
>MJ Wallace
Try going to a marine supply store. Humidity is a constant threat to boats
and they will usually have several ways of controlling (or attempting to
control) humidity.
Wayne
By the way, the north side like San Quentin?? :-) I am out in the
Antioch/Brentwood area so our temps are more like 30-115.
"rj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:v9HIc.77362$Oq2.33311@attbi_s52...
> Think about some sort of heat source in the cabinet (that won't set fire
to
> the magazines). I put a "Goldenrod" gun safe heater in the cabinet where
I
> store planes & chisels. South Alabama has a rust problem too.
> RJ
> "MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> > magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> > with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> > is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> > and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> > last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
> > putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
> > in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
> >
> > Any other thoughts about this from someone who
> > has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
> > so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
> > 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
> > paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
> >
> > I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
> > I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
> > to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
> > forever.
> >
> > MJ Wallace
>
>
[email protected] (MJ Wallace) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> last there without getting attached by mold, etc?
1 - If the humidity is high enough to mold paper, I'd worry more about
your *tools*. Ever considered getting a dehumidifier?
2 - If you keep them packed or stacked, then you can almost think of
it as a stack of lumber with no stickers in between (ie, not much
moisture exchange, except for the ends). So, you might want to stack
them and put som phone books on top or something.
3 - Those silica gel things are pretty cheap on ebay. I got a big
zip-loc bag of the stuff for about $10. The cool part is that it is
the *indicating* kind, where it turns pink when it's "full". Then, you
toss it in the oven for a while and it turns purple again.
- Joe
MJ Wallace wrote:
> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>
> Any other thoughts about this from someone who
> has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
> so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
> 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
> paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>
> I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
> I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
> to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
> forever.
FWIW, most of my dad's boating magazines from the '40s and '50s, stored in a
similar shop in Florida, were still readable in the early '90s--insect
damage was more of a problem than mold or the like. IMO keeping the bugs
out of them would be the main issue.
>
> MJ Wallace
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
MJ Wallace wrote:
> Thanks all to responding to this rather unusual request
> from this group. I think the best is to put them into
> plastic see-thru tubs and drop the silicia packets into
> there. At least they will be protected from mice/bugs
> and moisture. All I could ask.
Dont count on them for mouse protection, use the little poison cubes, or
traps. DAMHIKT
Joe
Just Allan wrote:
> "MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
>> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
>> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
>> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
>> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
>> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
>> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
>> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>
> Why not instead spend that money on a sheet-fed scanner? Neatly
> guillotine (or just cut with scissors) the spines off the
> magazines/books, scan them on the sheet-fed scanner into OCR software
> and put onto CD-R. Not only are they then searchable for keywords,
> but you can share them online with other folks as well.
Much bigger task than you might think. Trust me on this--I used to get paid
to do that sort of thing. And OCR still doesn't work that well.
As for as "share them online with other folks as well", that is called
"copyright violation" and if you do it without permission of the copyright
holder it is a crime in most countries.
> Allan.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Try space bags. (Search froogle for best price.) They actually work. And,
will help keep any pages from yellowing, etc.
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:46:03 GMT, "rj" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Think about some sort of heat source in the cabinet (that won't set fire to
>the magazines). I put a "Goldenrod" gun safe heater in the cabinet where I
>store planes & chisels. South Alabama has a rust problem too.
>RJ
>"MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
>> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
>> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
>> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
>> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
>> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
>> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
>> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>>
>> Any other thoughts about this from someone who
>> has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
>> so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
>> 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
>> paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>>
>> I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
>> I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
>> to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
>> forever.
>>
>> MJ Wallace
>
When we lived in the Philippines there was a light bulb in the closet
that was on all of the time to protect our clothes from the mold etc.
that was a problem over there. Seens to me that it was a 25watt bulb
for a 6X6 closet.
Bilbo
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:46:03 GMT, "rj" <[email protected]> wrote:
:)Think about some sort of heat source in the cabinet (that won't set fire to
:)the magazines). I put a "Goldenrod" gun safe heater in the cabinet where I
:)store planes & chisels. South Alabama has a rust problem too.
:)RJ
:)"MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
:)news:[email protected]...
:)> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
:)> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
:)> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
:)> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
:)> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
:)> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
:)> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
:)> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
:)>
:)> Any other thoughts about this from someone who
:)> has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
:)> so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
:)> 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
:)> paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
:)>
:)> I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
:)> I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
:)> to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
:)> forever.
:)>
:)> MJ Wallace
:)
"MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
Why not instead spend that money on a sheet-fed scanner? Neatly
guillotine (or just cut with scissors) the spines off the
magazines/books, scan them on the sheet-fed scanner into OCR software
and put onto CD-R. Not only are they then searchable for keywords,
but you can share them online with other folks as well.
Allan.
Think about some sort of heat source in the cabinet (that won't set fire to
the magazines). I put a "Goldenrod" gun safe heater in the cabinet where I
store planes & chisels. South Alabama has a rust problem too.
RJ
"MJ Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, I know it's not woodworking topic, but my woodworking
> magazines have grown to a volume that has to be dealt
> with. I am planning to move them into the workshop which
> is attached to the garage and is insulated, not heated
> and on a slab. Question I wonder about is: how long will they
> last there without getting attached by mold, etc? I will be
> putting them in a storage cabinet. I was thinking of putting
> in those silicia gel packets to keep the humidity down.
>
> Any other thoughts about this from someone who
> has done it? I live in No. Calif (above the Golden Gate),
> so the temps throughout the year will be in the:
> 25 - 100 range. We are also kinda "dry" humidity wise, but
> paper I know will soak up almost any moisture.
>
> I searched in Google for archiving, etc. and found that
> I could use glassine envelopes to protect them, but that seems
> to be a bit overkill. I want them to last a while but not
> forever.
>
> MJ Wallace