Hey gang,
I'm a Landscape Architect currently hip deep in a unique comission for a
residential client in northern Virginia.
The design of this landscape calls for several 'specialized' outdoor
structures, gates, fences, and doors. By specialized, I mean a blending of
Japanese architectural elements and classic timberframing joinery. At least
one exterior door will have to be completely custom made.
I doubt a single contractor could service all of these elements, but if you
know of a woodworker/carpenter capable and interested in work, please feel
free to let me know. Thanks,
Dave
Tom,
any photos of that project? sounds very cool!
Dave
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:10:51 GMT, "David J Bockman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The design of this landscape calls for several 'specialized' outdoor
> >structures, gates, fences, and doors. By specialized, I mean a blending
of
> >Japanese architectural elements and classic timberframing joinery. At
least
> >one exterior door will have to be completely custom made.
>
> Any decent joiner should be able to turn this out for you.
>
> If you can draw it well enough for the builder to understand the
> design, you should have no problem.
>
> I would beware of going for Traditional Japanese Carpentry, as it is
> based on the use of fish glue, which makes them go to extremes to
> create interfaces in the joinery, owing to the poor holding qualities
> of the adhesive, which is not necessary with modern adhesives.
>
> I once made a Kyoto Temple Gate that looked just like the original but
> used the Gougeon Brothers epoxy system to create laminations that made
> sure that it would look just as good twenty years later (which it
> does) as it did the day I made it.
>
> I like traditional japanese joinery as much as the next guy, but it is
> overly complicated for modern applications.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
1. Thanks for the tips, they're appreciated.
2. In fact I'd like to stick with american joinery as much as possible--
even though there are strong Japanese elements to the architecture (the
concept is that of an abandoned monastic retreat), I'd still like to pay my
homage to the site itself being, well, here.
Dave
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:11:57 -0800, Dave Fleming <> wrote:
>
> >I was under the impression the a lot of Japanese arch. elements were a
> >type of timber framery. ( ? )
>
> Japanese framing though. It's more different from American framing
> than either English or European framing is. You really need someone
> who works in the Japanese tradition, not only for the design, but even
> for the carpentry itself. An English framer can build American
> framing under an American architect or master carpenter (the carpentry
> of the joints is much the same, even if the design of the frames
> isn't), but they can't do Japanese unless they learn how to layout the
> joints and cut them.
>
> I'd love to get involved in this job. Most of what I do myself is
> cabinetry, often with Japanese influences, but I also work with some
> local framers. Biggest piece of traditional Japanese framing I've yet
> got to work on was an aquarium stand, but I'd love to do a real
> outdoor piece. Sadly I'm in the UK, not VA.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:10:51 GMT, "David J Bockman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The design of this landscape calls for several 'specialized' outdoor
>structures, gates, fences, and doors. By specialized, I mean a blending of
>Japanese architectural elements and classic timberframing joinery. At least
>one exterior door will have to be completely custom made.
Any decent joiner should be able to turn this out for you.
If you can draw it well enough for the builder to understand the
design, you should have no problem.
I would beware of going for Traditional Japanese Carpentry, as it is
based on the use of fish glue, which makes them go to extremes to
create interfaces in the joinery, owing to the poor holding qualities
of the adhesive, which is not necessary with modern adhesives.
I once made a Kyoto Temple Gate that looked just like the original but
used the Gougeon Brothers epoxy system to create laminations that made
sure that it would look just as good twenty years later (which it
does) as it did the day I made it.
I like traditional japanese joinery as much as the next guy, but it is
overly complicated for modern applications.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:11:57 -0800, Dave Fleming <> wrote:
>I was under the impression the a lot of Japanese arch. elements were a
>type of timber framery. ( ? )
Japanese framing though. It's more different from American framing
than either English or European framing is. You really need someone
who works in the Japanese tradition, not only for the design, but even
for the carpentry itself. An English framer can build American
framing under an American architect or master carpenter (the carpentry
of the joints is much the same, even if the design of the frames
isn't), but they can't do Japanese unless they learn how to layout the
joints and cut them.
I'd love to get involved in this job. Most of what I do myself is
cabinetry, often with Japanese influences, but I also work with some
local framers. Biggest piece of traditional Japanese framing I've yet
got to work on was an aquarium stand, but I'd love to do a real
outdoor piece. Sadly I'm in the UK, not VA.
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
>On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:11:57 -0800, Dave Fleming <> wrote:
>
>>I was under the impression the a lot of Japanese arch. elements were a
>>type of timber framery. ( ? )
>
>Japanese framing though. It's more different from American framing
>than either English or European framing is. You really need someone
>who works in the Japanese tradition, not only for the design, but even
>for the carpentry itself. An English framer can build American
>framing under an American architect or master carpenter (the carpentry
>of the joints is much the same, even if the design of the frames
>isn't), but they can't do Japanese unless they learn how to layout the
>joints and cut them.
Pssst, that is why I suggested the Timberframers Guild. They have
folks in that organization that to the best of my recollection have
studied Japanese Techniques either here in the USA or over in Japan.
Folla?
>
<sniperoo>
Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd/
>Hey gang,
>
>I'm a Landscape Architect currently hip deep in a unique comission for a
>residential client in northern Virginia.
As in 'hip deep in the doo-doo'. Just funnin' ye lad.
>
>The design of this landscape calls for several 'specialized' outdoor
>structures, gates, fences, and doors. By specialized, I mean a blending of
>Japanese architectural elements and classic timberframing joinery. At least
>one exterior door will have to be completely custom made.
I was under the impression the a lot of Japanese arch. elements were a
type of timber framery. ( ? )
>
>I doubt a single contractor could service all of these elements, but if you
>know of a woodworker/carpenter capable and interested in work, please feel
>free to let me know. Thanks,
I think I would contact the Timberframers Guild for some folks in that
area. IIRC they, The Timberframers Guild have a web site.
>
>Dave
>
Tales of a Boatbuilder Apprentice
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd/
Might suggest talking to Colonial Hardwoods in Springfield (have to look it
up in the phonebook).
Montyhp
"David J Bockman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hey gang,
>
> I'm a Landscape Architect currently hip deep in a unique comission for a
> residential client in northern Virginia.
>
> The design of this landscape calls for several 'specialized' outdoor
> structures, gates, fences, and doors. By specialized, I mean a blending of
> Japanese architectural elements and classic timberframing joinery. At
least
> one exterior door will have to be completely custom made.
>
> I doubt a single contractor could service all of these elements, but if
you
> know of a woodworker/carpenter capable and interested in work, please feel
> free to let me know. Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>