TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES TO
BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
https://ssl.dizum.com
In article <408E6595.31591.53AAD1E@localhost>, https://ssl.dizum.com
<[email protected]> wrote:
> TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
>
> DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
> BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
> THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
> RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES TO
> BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
>
> Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
> https://ssl.dizum.com
Yeah, right...
--
Formosa's Law: "The truly insane have enough on their plates without us adding
to it."
In article <[email protected]>, Bob
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Where did you get this post? That's a real address and the "Problem
> Provider" is on their site but like you, I doubt if it's really from them.
> I can't locate the original post that you responded to.
It got caught by my filters, but I saw it when I turned them off to
harvest the messages from dizum.
Here's the full post with headers:
------
Path:
sn-us!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.
com!news.bananasplit.info!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news
From: "https://ssl.dizum.com" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:52:21 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: BLOCKING OF REC.WOODWORKING
Message-ID: <408E6595.31591.53AAD1E@localhost>
Priority: normal
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body
Mail-To-News-Contact: [email protected]
Organization: [email protected]
Xref: sn-us rec.woodworking:1036924
TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES
TO
BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
https://ssl.dizum.com
------
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> on my news server. as you can see, I quoted it. I can't
> easily copy header info into a text file. someone with a
> different program can, however.
Already done and posted.
Hopefully this is real and we can all get back to pissing each other
off again real soon...
<d&r>
djb
--
"We have been looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the billing record from the Rose Law firm.
-And they were in the same building with her." - <http://wizbangblog.com/>
In article <[email protected]>, Bob
<[email protected]> wrote:
> What shows up on the last line from one of the trolls post when you read the
> header info?
It varies by host...
On my shaw.ca account, the last line of the initial post in this thread
is:
Xref: pd7hu0no rec.woodworking:92179
Compare that to the headers I posted (which came from my supernews
account):
Xref: sn-us rec.woodworking:1036924
On supernews, your post shows:
Xref: sn-us rec.woodworking:1037076
On shaw.ca, it shows:
Xref: pd7hu0no rec.woodworking:92331
djb
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
Bob wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Are you saying that the last line from the trolls header is added by
> RoadRunner when I access the rec to read the posts? If so, then the
> last line would be different for everyone that reads the posts from a
> different ISP - is that correct?
>
> What shows up on the last line from one of the trolls post when you
> read the header info?
>
> Bob S.
Paul is correct. From my RoadRunner account in SoCal, the original post
from Dizum is:
Xref: cyclone.socal.rr.com rec.woodworking:808588
It identifies the post on your own ISP's news server, not the server of the
sender.
immediately after I posted to Bob, I saw your post with
header info...
what are friends for?? :)
dave
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area
> Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>on my news server. as you can see, I quoted it. I can't
>>easily copy header info into a text file. someone with a
>>different program can, however.
>
>
> Already done and posted.
>
> Hopefully this is real and we can all get back to pissing each other
> off again real soon...
>
> <d&r>
>
> djb
>
Bob, my head is spinning from all this talk about headers,
ISP's and other net stuff. No wonder I got burned out
working on, and with, pc's over the past 18 years...
Are trolls gonna take full control of the internet one day
soon? sigh... why can't we just hunt them down and remove
their hands and feet so they can't use a keyboard? and rip
out their vocal cords in case they try using speech
recognition software to harass us? I bet those idiots are
so determined, they'd figure a way onto the net even with
those limitations. After reflecting on my idea, I think
euthanasia would be the more humane (and effective) solution!
dave
Bob wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Are you saying that the last line from the trolls header is added by
> RoadRunner when I access the rec to read the posts? If so, then the last
> line would be different for everyone that reads the posts from a different
> ISP - is that correct?
>
> What shows up on the last line from one of the trolls post when you read the
> header info?
>
> Bob S.
>
>
Take a look at these headers. The top one is "supposedly" from Dizum and
the second one is the header taken from one of the posts the troll made
using my name. The interesting part is the last line of the trolls header
and the last line from one of my posts to the rec for comparison.
I think the first header is real but (and I know better than to argue with
Doug...;-) could be from another troll. But look and compare the last line
of the bottom two headers. Tell me that the troll isn't posting from NY,
using RoadRunner service. C'mon Doug (and any others tell me we've narrowed
this pervert down and then read the next line.....
Guess who has a brother-in-law that works in Rochester, NY and does contract
work for Time Warner, RoadRunner? This little pervert is about to be nailed
to the barn wall if this is true...
Bob S.
From the supposedly Dizum message that stated the wreck would be blocked:
> Path:
> sn-us!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.
> com!news.bananasplit.info!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news
> From: "https://ssl.dizum.com" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:52:21 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Subject: BLOCKING OF REC.WOODWORKING
> Message-ID: <408E6595.31591.53AAD1E@localhost>
> Priority: normal
> Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a)
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
> Content-description: Mail message body
> Mail-To-News-Contact: [email protected]
> Organization: [email protected]
> Xref: sn-us rec.woodworking:1036924
Header from the troll:
------------------------
Path:
twister.nyroc.rr.com!news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net
!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news
From: "Bob S." <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:28:59 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=DCCK_my_GRE=C4SY_C=D6CK_and_B=C4LLS..?=
Message-ID: <408CBA3B.16562.F6C0140@localhost>
Priority: normal
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable
Content-description: Mail message body
Mail-To-News-Contact: [email protected]
Organization: [email protected]
Lines: 2
Xref: news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com rec.woodworking:2025370
------------------------------------------------------------
My header - last line of a post sent by me to rec.woodworking........Compare
to last line above from the troll
Xref: news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com rec.woodworking:2025387
The sob is on RoadRunner in NY - most likely, Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse
area. Fact is, he's in the US, he's in NY and the NYS Attorney Generals
office will have jurisdiction.... I will press charges.
Bob S.
Dave,
Where did you get this post? That's a real address and the "Problem
Provider" is on their site but like you, I doubt if it's really from them.
I can't locate the original post that you responded to.
Bob S.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> if true, it's PARTY TIME!!
>
> dave
>
> https://ssl.dizum.com wrote:
>
> > TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
> >
> > DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
> > BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
> > THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
> > RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES
TO
> > BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
> >
> > Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
> > https://ssl.dizum.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Paul,
Are you saying that the last line from the trolls header is added by
RoadRunner when I access the rec to read the posts? If so, then the last
line would be different for everyone that reads the posts from a different
ISP - is that correct?
What shows up on the last line from one of the trolls post when you read the
header info?
Bob S.
Would they put a post in all caps??? Also, is Dizum from across the
pond? Look at the spelling of apologise, that's proper English.
https://ssl.dizum.com wrote:
> TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
>
> DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
> BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
> THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
> RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES TO
> BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
>
> Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
> https://ssl.dizum.com
>
>
>
>
Mark wrote:>Would they put a post in all caps??? Also, is Dizum from across
the
>pond? Look at the spelling of apologise, that's proper English.
Wondered about the spelling of "apologize", myself... Right now, it's hard to
believe anything that originates from a dizum.com address. Tom
Someday, it'll all be over....
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tom) wrote:
>Mark wrote:>Would they put a post in all caps??? Also, is Dizum from across
>the
>>pond? Look at the spelling of apologise, that's proper English.
>
>Wondered about the spelling of "apologize", myself... Right now, it's hard to
>believe anything that originates from a dizum.com address. Tom
It's completely bogus. Look at the headers on the post: it did NOT come FROM
dizum, it came THROUGH dizum, specifically through their mail-to-news gateway
just like all the other recent troll posts.
Conclusion: it's the troll again.
DON'T do as one poster suggested, and try a couple of posts to see if they'll
get through. They will. And that will add to the level of useless posts here.
Which is probably *exactly* what the troll intended.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark L. <[email protected]> wrote:
>Would they put a post in all caps??? Also, is Dizum from across the
>pond? Look at the spelling of apologise, that's proper English.
DIZUM operates out of the Netherlands.
whether that's 'across the pond' depends on where _you_ are. <grin>
In article <[email protected]>,
"Mark L." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Would they put a post in all caps??? Also, is Dizum from across the
> pond? Look at the spelling of apologise, that's proper English.
"They" is probably an exaggeration; AFAIK Alex De Joode is the sole
proprietor.
It would be interesting to know if dizum blocks impersonating
dizum...there are a lot of possible variations, so they could have
missed one.
I expect they received a *lot* of complaints.
There is currently a call for a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty, where
basically he would be blocked at all usenet servers) on dizum.com.
However, allowing assholes to post anonymously is not sufficient grounds
for a UDP and it looks like -- to me -- that the allegations that dizum
is allowing excessive spam (which is grounds for a UDP) are "trumped
up", i.e. people are basically trying an end-run. As such, I doubt the
UDP will succeed, but you never know.
Anyway, if you don't believe it is blocked, then try it a couple of
times. It should become obvious enough in due time whether or not it is
blocked.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Xref: news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com rec.woodworking:2025370
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My header - last line of a post sent by me to rec.woodworking........Compare
> to last line above from the troll
>
> Xref: news-rtr.nyroc.rr.com rec.woodworking:2025387
>
> The sob is on RoadRunner in NY - most likely, Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse
> area. Fact is, he's in the US, he's in NY and the NYS Attorney Generals
> office will have jurisdiction.... I will press charges.
LOL The SOB would be you then....Xref is a reference on your news
server. I am not sure where you got the first header (not quoted by me)
from and why it has a sn-us server reference.
Alas, tracking someone through a remailer/newsgateway is not nearly so
easy. Dizum.com could trace it to an IP anyway, *if* they do not
auto-destroy records. I would expect them to only give it up on a
warrant if they are running a good shop (anonymous remailer). If they
are sensible, they hold the records only for a short time before
destruction. I know of corporations who destroy email backups very
quickly to duck warrants.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Are you saying that the last line from the trolls header is added by
> RoadRunner when I access the rec to read the posts? If so, then the last
> line would be different for everyone that reads the posts from a different
> ISP - is that correct?
>
> What shows up on the last line from one of the trolls post when you read the
> header info?
Sheesh, I answered this hours ago but the server ate my homework
apparently. Anyway, some other people have spoke up with their headers.
A sample Xref from idiot boy:
> Xref: cyclone01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com rec.woodworking:356174
I am on rogers high-speed; this set is for the servers in Ontario,
eastern ontario being my guess (bloor being a hint here).
A properly set-up anonymizer will make sure none of the *posters* data
leaks through in the headers. Naturally the poster may be dumb enough to
identify himself in other ways. Or simply be on a very short list of
possible people.
Dizum could almost certainly identify the IP address of the twit (and
hence, through ISP records, the douche bag could be id'd) but if they
have any ethics (from an anonymous service provider point of view) they
would not do so without a warrant. Dizum probably destroys their records
quite promptly. Hell, I know corporations which destroy their backups
quickly to duck warrants. Since the law moves very slowly, they are
usually gone before anything gets really on the move.
Anyway, here is not the place for a lesson on running anonymizers, just
be assured that a good one does not leak header info and Dizum seems
well run (from that point of view).
Paul K
I wonder with todays wide spread internet access from public points, ie
libraries. Maybe anonymizers have outlived their usefullness. Kind of like
the fire call boxes in NYC. Pay phones and cell phones have made them
obsolite.
Just a thought.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:23:18 GMT, Paul Kierstead
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >However, allowing assholes to post anonymously is not sufficient grounds
> >for a UDP
>
> There actually are valid uses for anonymizers.
>
> Political statements in certain countries, whistle blowers, etc...
>
> Of course, I've never actually seen one used for that, but it's a
> thought. <G>
>
> Barry
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:23:18 GMT, Paul Kierstead
<[email protected]> wrote:
>However, allowing assholes to post anonymously is not sufficient grounds
>for a UDP
There actually are valid uses for anonymizers.
Political statements in certain countries, whistle blowers, etc...
Of course, I've never actually seen one used for that, but it's a
thought. <G>
Barry
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:07:34 GMT, "Bernie Hunt" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I wonder with todays wide spread internet access from public points, ie
>libraries. Maybe anonymizers have outlived their usefullness.
Many libraries and similar public points keep usage logs and require
ID to use the 'net. Most universities have moved to individual
logins. It's harder to trace than your own machine, but still very
traceable.
Barry
on my news server. as you can see, I quoted it. I can't
easily copy header info into a text file. someone with a
different program can, however.
dave
Bob wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Where did you get this post? That's a real address and the "Problem
> Provider" is on their site but like you, I doubt if it's really from them.
> I can't locate the original post that you responded to.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>if true, it's PARTY TIME!!
>>
>>dave
>>
>>https://ssl.dizum.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
>>>
>>>DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
>>>BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
>>>THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
>>>RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES
>
> TO
>
>>>BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
>>>
>>>Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
>>>https://ssl.dizum.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
if true, it's PARTY TIME!!
dave
https://ssl.dizum.com wrote:
> TO THE COMMUNITY OF REC.WOODWORKING:
>
> DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND
> BLOCKED REC.WOODWORKING FROM OUR LIST OF AVAILABLE POSTING NEWSGROUPS.
> THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. THIS SERVICE WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
> RESTORED IN 90 DAYS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS. WE APOLOGISE IF THIS PROVES TO
> BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO ANYONE.
>
> Dizum Internet Services: Your Internet Problem Provider
> https://ssl.dizum.com
>
>
>
>