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[email protected] (David Hall)

01/01/2004 11:32 PM

Are these blades worth sharpening?

I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early 1980's
that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is, I
don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of sharpening. I
am about to send my WWII to Forrest and was considering adding these Kromedge,
but with shipping (both ways) they will cost about $25 each ( more for the 80
tooth plywood blade). If once sharpened they will be approximately as good as a
$40 Frued it should be worthwhile. Otherwise I guess I would be better off
buying new. What do you folks think - did Craftsman put out a quality blade in
the early 80's or has the technology advanced to where fairly cheap current
blades are better?

Dave Hall


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[email protected] (woodcrafter)

in reply to [email protected] (David Hall) on 01/01/2004 11:32 PM

01/01/2004 8:20 PM

[email protected] (David Hall) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early 1980's
> that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
> sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is, I
> don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of sharpening. I
> am about to send my WWII to Forrest and was considering adding these Kromedge,
> but with shipping (both ways) they will cost about $25 each ( more for the 80
> tooth plywood blade). If once sharpened they will be approximately as good as a
> $40 Frued it should be worthwhile. Otherwise I guess I would be better off
> buying new. What do you folks think - did Craftsman put out a quality blade in
> the early 80's or has the technology advanced to where fairly cheap current
> blades are better?
>
> Dave Hall

I have some 20 year old steel craftsman and hanson 10" saw blades I
use all
the time and get sharpened regularly,,,,but i don't pay that much to
sharpen them
I have a local guy tht only charges around 6.00-12.00,,you"ll have to
decide if it's worth it for you and will you get your money back from
using them

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to [email protected] (David Hall) on 01/01/2004 11:32 PM

02/01/2004 1:41 AM

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:32:18 +0000, David Hall wrote:

> I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early 1980's
> that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
> sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is, I
> don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of sharpening. I
> am about to send my WWII to Forrest and was considering adding these Kromedge,
> but with shipping (both ways) they will cost about $25 each ( more for the 80
> tooth plywood blade). If once sharpened they will be approximately as good as a
> $40 Frued it should be worthwhile. Otherwise I guess I would be better off
> buying new. What do you folks think - did Craftsman put out a quality blade in
> the early 80's or has the technology advanced to where fairly cheap current
> blades are better?

I have a pretty good collection, and yes they can be resharpened (and
often if you use them much). As good as they were, they can't hold a
candle to almost any carbide tipped blade for durability, especially when
cutting the sheet goods we use so much of. The resins in MDF and the like
will dull a chrome edge in one cut. DAMHIKT. Also, almost any carbide
tipped blade will give at least as good a cut as the old hollow ground
planer or ply blade if it has 40 or more teeth and is in good shape. I
used to spend a lot of time changing blades, but now with carbide tipped
blades, I keep a 60 tooth Freud on the RAS and a 40 tooth on the TS and
resharpening and splintering is almost a thing of the past.

dD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to Doug Winterburn on 02/01/2004 1:41 AM

02/01/2004 3:43 AM

>I have a pretty good collection, and yes they can be resharpened (and
>often if you use them much). As good as they were, they can't hold a
>candle to almost any carbide tipped blade for durability, especially when
>cutting the sheet goods we use so much of. The resins in MDF and the like
>will dull a chrome edge in one cut. DAMHIKT. Also, almost any carbide
>tipped blade will give at least as good a cut as the old hollow ground
>planer or ply blade if it has 40 or more teeth and is in good shape. I
>used to spend a lot of time changing blades, but now with carbide tipped
>blades, I keep a 60 tooth Freud on the RAS and a 40 tooth on the TS and
>resharpening and splintering is almost a thing of the past.

These are carbide blades - Kromedge is just Craftsman's brand name. They are a
30 tooth rip, a 80 tooth plywood and a cut-off blade (I don't remember the
tooth count). They are from the 1980's. I have some steel blades and I sharpen
them myself for rough utility work.

Dave Hall

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Nova

in reply to Doug Winterburn on 02/01/2004 1:41 AM

02/01/2004 3:03 PM

David Hall wrote:

> These are carbide blades - Kromedge is just Craftsman's brand name. They are a
> 30 tooth rip, a 80 tooth plywood and a cut-off blade (I don't remember the
> tooth count). They are from the 1980's. I have some steel blades and I sharpen
> them myself for rough utility work.

The Kromedge blades are chrome-nickel-molybdenum steel. they are not carbide.

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[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to Nova on 02/01/2004 3:03 PM

02/01/2004 7:31 PM

>David Hall wrote:
>
>> These are carbide blades - Kromedge is just Craftsman's brand name. They
>are a
>> 30 tooth rip, a 80 tooth plywood and a cut-off blade (I don't remember the
>> tooth count). They are from the 1980's. I have some steel blades and I
>sharpen
>> them myself for rough utility work.
>
>The Kromedge blades are chrome-nickel-molybdenum steel. they are not
>carbide.
>
>--
>Jack Novak

So that's why the tips look like carbide and the baldes say that they are
carbide tipped and the packaging (which is still with them) says that they are
carbide tipped. Like I said, I have some steel blades and I do know the
difference. In fact, I just went to the garage and looked and my steel dado
set is a Kromedge - I wish it was carbide tipped ;)

David Hall

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Nova

in reply to Nova on 02/01/2004 3:03 PM

02/01/2004 10:32 PM

David Hall wrote:

> >The Kromedge blades are chrome-nickel-molybdenum steel. they are not
> >carbide.
> >
> >--
> >Jack Novak
>
> So that's why the tips look like carbide and the baldes say that they are
> carbide tipped and the packaging (which is still with them) says that they are
> carbide tipped. Like I said, I have some steel blades and I do know the
> difference. In fact, I just went to the garage and looked and my steel dado
> set is a Kromedge - I wish it was carbide tipped ;)

I have over 15 different Craftsman "Kromedge" blades, with the silk screened logo
still intact, stored in the original packaging. None have carbide tips and the
packaging states "Made of the highest quality chrome-nickel-molybdenum steel".
Nowhere is there any mention of carbide.

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Nova

in reply to Nova on 02/01/2004 3:03 PM

03/01/2004 2:54 AM

Mike Iglesias wrote:

> I had one carbide-tipped Craftsman Kromedge blade that I got back
> around 1980. The packaging said it was carbide tipped too. I tossed
> it a couple of months ago because I got a new Freud as a present.
>
> I also had a couple of non-carbide Kromedge blades (plywood, combination
> blade) bought around the same time as the carbide blade.

From the from of the Craftsman "Kromedge" blade package:

"Alloy steel blade surface impregnated with
WEAR AND RUST RESISTANT HARD CHROME
greatly increasing life of the cutting edge."

Chrome/edge, hence the name.

The steel makes decent knife blades and scrapers.

By the way the 10" x 80 tooth cut-off blade has the original price sticker of $3.98.

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[email protected] (Mike Iglesias)

in reply to Nova on 02/01/2004 3:03 PM

03/01/2004 2:12 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have over 15 different Craftsman "Kromedge" blades, with the silk screened logo
>still intact, stored in the original packaging. None have carbide tips and the
>packaging states "Made of the highest quality chrome-nickel-molybdenum steel".
>Nowhere is there any mention of carbide.

I had one carbide-tipped Craftsman Kromedge blade that I got back
around 1980. The packaging said it was carbide tipped too. I tossed
it a couple of months ago because I got a new Freud as a present.

I also had a couple of non-carbide Kromedge blades (plywood, combination
blade) bought around the same time as the carbide blade.


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"Bob Davis"

in reply to Nova on 02/01/2004 3:03 PM

09/01/2004 7:34 PM

Stop the pissing contest. You each obviously have different blades and keep
reading your own package as if its what the Dave has.

"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Iglesias wrote:
>
> > I had one carbide-tipped Craftsman Kromedge blade that I got back
> > around 1980. The packaging said it was carbide tipped too. I tossed
> > it a couple of months ago because I got a new Freud as a present.
> >
> > I also had a couple of non-carbide Kromedge blades (plywood, combination
> > blade) bought around the same time as the carbide blade.
>
> From the from of the Craftsman "Kromedge" blade package:
>
> "Alloy steel blade surface impregnated with
> WEAR AND RUST RESISTANT HARD CHROME
> greatly increasing life of the cutting edge."
>
> Chrome/edge, hence the name.
>
> The steel makes decent knife blades and scrapers.
>
> By the way the 10" x 80 tooth cut-off blade has the original price sticker
of $3.98.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>

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"Lawrence L'Hote"

in reply to [email protected] (David Hall) on 01/01/2004 11:32 PM

02/01/2004 12:33 AM


"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early
1980's
> that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
> sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is,
I
> don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of
sharpening.

I sent two 'low end' carbide tooth blades to Forrest to be sharpened. I had
a $10 coupon left from when I bought a Forrest dado. FWIW here is a
comparison I made
http://home.mchsi.com/%7Elarrylhote/sharp/sharp.htm

There is one thing you should watch out for and I encountered it with one of
the blades I had sharpened. The arbor hole may be a little loose and cause
some vibration.

Larry

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Columbia, MO
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http://home.mchsi.com/~llhote

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[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to "Lawrence L'Hote" on 02/01/2004 12:33 AM

02/01/2004 3:58 AM

>I sent two 'low end' carbide tooth blades to Forrest to be sharpened. I had
>a $10 coupon left from when I bought a Forrest dado. FWIW here is a
>comparison I made
>http://home.mchsi.com/%7Elarrylhote/sharp/sharp.htm
>
>There is one thing you should watch out for and I encountered it with one of
>the blades I had sharpened. The arbor hole may be a little loose and cause
>some vibration.
>
>Larry
I've heard that Forrest can sometimes make a cheaper blade perform better than
new. I don't know if these worked well new though. They seem to run with no
more vibration than my WWII so I thnk they are half decent blades. I do know
that the industry has advanced in the last 20 years though with laser cut
blades, better relief cuts and I assume some improvement in carbide. Oh well,
I'll give a little thought and decide in the next few days before I send out
the WWII.

Thanks for your thoughts and the informative page.

Dave Hall

DP

"Dan Parrell"

in reply to [email protected] (David Hall) on 01/01/2004 11:32 PM

01/01/2004 8:34 PM

It may be cheaper to buy new then to try and get them sharpened.Even if they
aren't worth sharpening they make great clocks.I'd hang on to them just for
posterity.Some of my tools are 100 yrs old.I don't use them but love'm just
the same
"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early
1980's
> that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
> sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is,
I
> don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of
sharpening. I
> am about to send my WWII to Forrest and was considering adding these
Kromedge,
> but with shipping (both ways) they will cost about $25 each ( more for the
80
> tooth plywood blade). If once sharpened they will be approximately as good
as a
> $40 Frued it should be worthwhile. Otherwise I guess I would be better off
> buying new. What do you folks think - did Craftsman put out a quality
blade in
> the early 80's or has the technology advanced to where fairly cheap
current
> blades are better?
>
> Dave Hall

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[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

02/01/2004 3:50 AM

>It may be cheaper to buy new then to try and get them sharpened.Even if they
>aren't worth sharpening they make great clocks.I'd hang on to them just for
>posterity.Some of my tools are 100 yrs old.I don't use them but love'm just
>the same

I can see keeping 100 year old tools and even somewhat newer speciality tools
(like old planes, etc.) that have some attachment, but 20 year old saw blades?
Naw, I will either get them sharpened, use them for utility work or lose 'em.
I've got other junk filling the nooks & crannys as it is ;)

Thanks.

Dave Hall

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

02/01/2004 12:54 PM

On 02 Jan 2004 03:50:01 GMT, [email protected] (David Hall) wrote:

>but 20 year old saw blades?

Take up smithing. Saw blades are useful steel (L6 for many, but I
don't know about Craftsman)

d

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

02/01/2004 1:56 PM

David Hall wrote:
> I can see keeping 100 year old tools and even somewhat newer speciality tools
> (like old planes, etc.) that have some attachment, but 20 year old saw blades?
> Naw, I will either get them sharpened, use them for utility work or lose 'em.
> I've got other junk filling the nooks & crannys as it is ;)

Use them for electrolysis sacrificial steel. They're good qua;ity steel
and that wide surface gives good coverage to the tool being de-rusted.

Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

03/01/2004 12:45 AM

Andy Dingley wrote:

> Take up smithing. Saw blades are useful steel (L6 for many, but I
> don't know about Craftsman)

Oh how I wish I could! I really want to learn how to make swords, but I'm
fearful. So much to get wrong, and so much whacking with a heavy hammer.
I fear it would do my carpal tunnel no good at all.

Plus you don't exactly go to Lowe's and buy a forge. :(

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[email protected] (Jerry McCaffrey)

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

03/01/2004 5:40 PM

Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Plus you don't exactly go to Lowe's and buy a forge. :(


Just saw a Sears Forge recently, that you could have gotten in the 1930's (?) mailorder :)

Jerry

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--Shiva--

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

04/01/2004 4:46 AM

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 00:45:09 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Plus you don't exactly go to Lowe's and buy a forge. :(
need a hand cranked or power blower?
hand 'used' to be made in upper NY state.
try Cumberland General Store, or Lehmans

--Shiva--

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Silvan

in reply to "Dan Parrell" on 01/01/2004 8:34 PM

04/01/2004 12:58 AM

--Shiva-- wrote:

>>Plus you don't exactly go to Lowe's and buy a forge. :(

> need a hand cranked or power blower?
> hand 'used' to be made in upper NY state.
> try Cumberland General Store, or Lehmans

Nah, it's not the indidual components so much as the motivation required to
put everything together. Some kind of thing for a fire pot, some kind of
thing for heat, some kind of blower, some kind of fuel source...

Brake drums I got in spades (bigass heavy truck sized brake drums), but then
it gets complicated. Hafta pay a fortune for coal, or else rig up a nozzle
and pay a fortune for propane. Hafta rig up the blower, or make a
bellows...

Then once I have a forge, there's learning what the various temperatures
look like, learning how to work the steel, learning how to harden and
temper it.

I'd need a real anvil. I'd need some place to *put* all of this stuff other
than inside a wooden shed filled with wood. Oops, I dropped a white hot
sword blank. Where's the fire extinguisher? Oh. Nevermind. Where's my
insurance policy? What, it doesn't cover my smithy? Oops.

On top of it all, working the metal involves beating the hell out of it
repeatedly with a big hammer. Cathartic, mayhap, but my wrists ain't what
they used to be. I fear getting into whacking things for extended periods
of time would surely put me in line for that surgery I'm trying to avoid.
I prefer to keep the ligament holding my wrists together in one piece if at
all possible.

All in all, when everything's said and done, one of these days I should buy
some real swords from some place that sells quality weapons and be done
with it. $400 for a sword is pretty cheap considering what I have to get
through before I can make one myself.

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"Bob Davis"

in reply to [email protected] (David Hall) on 01/01/2004 11:32 PM

02/01/2004 2:23 AM

You need to find a more cost effective sharpening service. I get excellent
service locally for about $15 for 10 inch 50 tooth Freud blade. I swear it
was a better blade after the first sharpening than what came from the
factory.

Bob


"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Craftsman Kromedge carbide 10" saw blades from the early
1980's
> that used to belong to my dad. They are in great shape, but are due for a
> sharpening if they are to be used for other than utility work. Trouble is,
I
> don't know whether these are good enough to be worth the cost of
sharpening. I
> am about to send my WWII to Forrest and was considering adding these
Kromedge,
> but with shipping (both ways) they will cost about $25 each ( more for the
80
> tooth plywood blade). If once sharpened they will be approximately as good
as a
> $40 Frued it should be worthwhile. Otherwise I guess I would be better off
> buying new. What do you folks think - did Craftsman put out a quality
blade in
> the early 80's or has the technology advanced to where fairly cheap
current
> blades are better?
>
> Dave Hall


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