Okay I have no money but this is what I can and want to do

gee, Leon, he could have picked up MY name brand TS for $225, had my
neighbor not snatched it up--albeit for $225.

dave

Leon wrote:

> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message > I have been through
> several projects finally reducing them all to not having
>
>>enough money to I just don't have any interest.
>>
>>All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
>
> hardwood.
>
>>I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
>
>
> I suggest you buy a chopping block if that is really all you want to make.
>
>
>>All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
>>Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
>>for.
>>
>
>
> $100-$125 will buy a good hand held circle saw. I would NOT wast money on
> a $100-125 Table Saw unless you find a used name brand one at a garage sale.
>
>
>
>
>

Mon, Sep 1, 2003, 12:34am (EDT+4) [email protected] (jm) asks:
<snip> I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block
using these cheap table saws or are they unsafe? <snip>

Well, if you can make the chopping block in the first place, don't
see why you couldn't use one. I have a $79 HF saw, and it takes a bit
of fiddling with the fence, but with a good blade, cuts fine.

Unsafe? I obviously don't understand this as stated. Like it's
gonna fall apart, or what?

JOAT
No sense in being pessimistic - it wouldn't work anyway.

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 30 Aug 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

>All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good hardwood.
>I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
>
>All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
>Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
>for.
>
>I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using these
>cheap table saws or are they unsafe?

One of the nicest pieces I've ever seen (a china cabinet made of Jatoba) was
made by a guy who's only power tool was a circular saw. As others have
replied, anything is possible. Less powerful tools just require more time and
care to produce quality results.

Those saws you looked at will work. If at all possible, set aside another $25
to $50 for a decent blade (the Freud Diablo is about $30 at Home Depot), which
will increase the capability of your budget tablesaw.

Plan your work carefully. Pay particular attention to thinking through how you
will feed the wood into the blade and support it coming out the other side. It
can be done. It can be done by you.

Rich S.

A so-called "Cheap Saw" wil not cut your fngers off. That you will have
to do yourself. Ithink it is a verygod thing when a person lives with
and learns on very basic equipment, as long as he takethe time to adjust
and trueit up t its highest potental. Then asyou learn and ain
experience, you will KNOW WHAT FEATURES AND CAPABILITIESYOU need, SHOULD
YOU DECIDE TO MAKE ANOTHER PURCHASE. in THIS GROUP i SEE A BUNCHOF
cATALOG rATS WHO HAVE BOUGHT EVERY DAMN THING IN THE WORLD AND hAVE NOT
SPENT A FULL HOUR ON ANY JOB AT ALL. uSE WHAT YA BRUNG.

jm wrote:
> Thank you. I don't want to buy one. I can buy a lot of things premade and
> I don't understand why some of the folks said to buy one. It looked like I
> could make one and something that might be used. I should probably make a
> bunch of them and give them as Christmas presents. Yes, I am that guy who
> gives you the "homeade" stuff for Christmas.

Jim, I think that you're missing the pointthat people are trying to make
here. I've never met a woodworker who didn't make presents for friends
and family. Comparing the amount of work that it takes to make one, a
butcher block is harder than a dovetail box, and much cheaper to buy
pre-made. the point being, that butcher blocks take ALOT of work and
nobody will see the work, a nicely made box will be turned over and
around and examined to a much higher degree. More "WOW" factor. A box
is also easier to make with limited tools.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

snip
jm wrote:
> Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a box
> before. What would its function be?

There are several types available and a couple of basic methods to use.
One way to make boxes is to turn them, if you have a lathe. Since you
don't you are restricted to rectangular , or something along that line,
boxes. The corners can be joined by dovetails, finger joints, half-laps
or but joints. I put them in that order because I see that as the
decreasing order of WOW factor when people look at the box. The boxes
could be for jewelry or cigars or anything else that you can think of.
The reality is that its function of the boxes would be to cause pleasure
in the people you preset them to.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

snip
jm wrote:
> Alright, I changed my mind. Thanks. Now, where do you start?
> I found this:
> http://www.fine-boxes.com/pages/books/bbx.html
> http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/shallowbox/shallowbox.htm

If you don't have any practice with woodworking and have limited tools,
you need to start simple and work up. Do a search on Wood box +plans
+free and see where that gets you. Try to make boxes with simple joints
and work up to dovetails as your skills progress. When they start
looking pretty you'll know that you are ready to start giving them
away. You'll also have learned the basic skills necessary to be a
better than the average TV woodworker. The good news is that making
boxes can all be done with relatively inexpensive hand tools. Practice
with inexpensive woods, not pine, poplar would be better and not much
more expensive.

I hope that helps,
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

I find outfeed roller stand is very useful for a small shop.
Sometimes I use them for infeed as well as outfeed.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:35:35 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>A second person ('helper') and/or 'supplemental
>support'(infeed and/or outfeed tables) is a near necessity for larger
>pieces.

jm wrote:

> Tell me how you got started. I have never heard of boxmaking.

That basically _is_ how I got started. I had never made a complete box
before.

It's nothing the slightest bit fancy. I used scrap plywood, which is quite
ugly, but functional and free. I made four pieces the height I wanted the
box to be, then cut off about a third of the width to make the lid pieces.
Cut a couple of pieces to fit the top and bottom, and I had the makings of
a box.

I'd like to say I did something fancy in the way of joinery, but the truth
is that I marked hole locations and then drilled pilot holes through the
pieces with my drill press, then nailed it all together. (Yes, *nails*...
I'm so ashamed...) I didn't even use glue. I cut the mortises for the
hinges with my table saw, then screwed one of those little flip down catch
thingies to the front. I cut a piece of scrap pine and fiddled with it
until it was a perfect fit for the inside. I used a Forstner bit to make
places to stick my dies, and I drilled appropriately sized holes to fit the
taps.

Voila. An ugly but very functional little armored case so I quit losing my
taps and dies.

I'm working on a finger joint jig now. I plan to make something out of
scrap oak with finger joints and glue instead of screws, which I will
actually make in a fashion that permits sanding and finishing. I might
make a fancy box to replace my Dremel case, which never wants to stay open,
and which is always flipping over and spilling all my stuff all over the
place.

Beyond that, maybe a fancy jewelry box for SWMBO or for Mom or something.
Limitless possibilities with boxes, and they're cheap because they don't
use much in the way of materials. I think these will be good practice for
joinery too. I can do dovetails, through tennons, finger joints, pegs,
half laps, splined miters... Seems like a good way to learn about joinery,
so the next time I try to build myself a set of doors for a hutch, they
don't come out looking so awful.

I think it will be more fun than bird houses and shadow boxes. I have too
many damn bird houses, and shadow boxes just encourage SWMBO to collect
more little piddly crap that has to be dusted. :)

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<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> snip
> jm wrote:
> > Alright, I changed my mind. Thanks. Now, where do you start?
> > I found this:
> > http://www.fine-boxes.com/pages/books/bbx.html
> > http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/shallowbox/shallowbox.htm
>
> If you don't have any practice with woodworking and have limited tools,
> you need to start simple and work up. Do a search on Wood box +plans
> +free and see where that gets you. Try to make boxes with simple joints
> and work up to dovetails as your skills progress. When they start
> looking pretty you'll know that you are ready to start giving them
> away. You'll also have learned the basic skills necessary to be a
> better than the average TV woodworker. The good news is that making
> boxes can all be done with relatively inexpensive hand tools. Practice
> with inexpensive woods, not pine, poplar would be better and not much
> more expensive.
>
> I hope that helps,
> Dave in Fairfax
> --
Thanks! I found them. Much more interesting than cutting board.

jm wrote:

> Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a box
> before. What would its function be?

Go to a bookstore or a library, find the boxmaking books and flip through
them for ideas.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> snip
> jm wrote:
> > Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a
box
> > before. What would its function be?
>
> There are several types available and a couple of basic methods to use.
> One way to make boxes is to turn them, if you have a lathe. Since you
> don't you are restricted to rectangular , or something along that line,
> boxes. The corners can be joined by dovetails, finger joints, half-laps
> or but joints. I put them in that order because I see that as the
> decreasing order of WOW factor when people look at the box. The boxes
> could be for jewelry or cigars or anything else that you can think of.
> The reality is that its function of the boxes would be to cause pleasure
> in the people you preset them to.
>

I bought this book (don't know if this link will work here):

Box-Making Basic: Design, Technique, Projects
by David M. Freedman

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561581232/ref=pd_pym_rvi_1/104-0755905-9333525

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jm wrote:
>
> > bunch of them and give them as Christmas presents. Yes, I am that guy
who
> > gives you the "homeade" stuff for Christmas.
>
> You're supposed to give cheap, imported crap that nobody wants. If you
give
> them stuff you made, they'll think you're a tightwad. :)
>
> (Tongue in cheek here, but I actually have in-laws like that. They have
> this whole crazy "if you don't buy comercially produced things for me, no
> matter how much they suck, then you don't care about me" culture. Glad I
> live 100 miles away from them, but it's really not far enough. Mars
> wouldn't be far enough. Maybe somewhere on the far side of the Andromeda
> galaxy would be getting into the ballpark.)
>
Almost no one I know of appreciates homemade stuff. I have grown to like it
more, as I age.

Thank you. I don't want to buy one. I can buy a lot of things premade and
I don't understand why some of the folks said to buy one. It looked like I
could make one and something that might be used. I should probably make a
bunch of them and give them as Christmas presents. Yes, I am that guy who
gives you the "homeade" stuff for Christmas.


"Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jm,
>
> I have read all the replies so far. If it were me and it were between not
> woodworking and using a $79 skilsaw, I would buy the skilsaw. Once you
get
> to the point where you have more money, you will realize the limitations
of
> your current saw, sell it to a beginner, and buy a unisaw, PM66, Griz, or
> whatever you want.
>
> As far as butcher blocks go, yes, you can buy them. However, I built one
in
> a custom shape to fit my kitchen. I used the best kind of wood for the
> project (free). It was hickory that I got as cutoffs from a cabinet shop.
> If you can get wood with S2S (sanded 2 sides?) then just rip into strips,
> glue together, then crosscut off sections and glue together on the end
> grain. Once you are done gluing, sand until flat (a belt sander is real
> nice for that job if you can get one).
>
> Good luck. Every bit of woodworking you do will teach you something.
Enjoy
> it.
>
> Montyhp
>
>
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_tw4b.317217$o%2.144093@sccrnsc02...
> > I have been through several projects finally reducing them all to not
> having
> > enough money to I just don't have any interest.
> >
> > All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
> hardwood.
> > I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
> >
> > All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I
saw
> > Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they
pay
> > for.
> >
> > I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using
these
> > cheap table saws or are they unsafe?
> >
> > I was going to use the table saw to rip (think thats it) the big
hardwood
> > board and then cut it up into the smaller pieces, glue them, etc. I
> already
> > own a router and a table that I don't know how to use and thought I
could
> > learn how now.
> >
> > I am through feeling sorry for myself now.
> >
> > Thanks. Comments?
> >
> >
>
>

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > nobody will see the work, a nicely made box will be turned over and
> > around and examined to a much higher degree. More "WOW" factor. A box
> > is also easier to make with limited tools.
>
> Second that one. I'm getting into boxmaking, though I'm sort of limited
> because I don't have any decent way to sharpen anything, and I'm coming up
> against a brick wall there. I really need to take a timeout and learn how
> to sharpen things properly, before I ruin more chisels.
>
> Anyway, the point I'm getting at is that I just made a box to contain the
> contents of the broken plastic thingie that used to hold my tap and die
> set. The box is nothing spectacular to look at, but it was very
rewarding,
> and fairly simple to make. I've gotten more of a wow out of SWMBO over
> this stupid little ugly plywood box than anything I've made in the last
> four years. I'm going to start making them out of good wood, with better
> looking joinery. Good thing to do with my piddly little shop.
>

Tell me how you got started. I have never heard of boxmaking.

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> snip
> jm wrote:
> > Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a
box
> > before. What would its function be?
>
> There are several types available and a couple of basic methods to use.
> One way to make boxes is to turn them, if you have a lathe. Since you
> don't you are restricted to rectangular , or something along that line,
> boxes. The corners can be joined by dovetails, finger joints, half-laps
> or but joints. I put them in that order because I see that as the
> decreasing order of WOW factor when people look at the box. The boxes
> could be for jewelry or cigars or anything else that you can think of.
> The reality is that its function of the boxes would be to cause pleasure
> in the people you preset them to.
>
> Dave in Fairfax

Actually, I couldn't find more than a few on the Intenet, but Amazon has
some books.

No, I guess, since I have never used one I worry about some unknown defect
that cheap saws will have that will get my fingers cut off or something.


"Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mon, Sep 1, 2003, 12:34am (EDT+4) [email protected] (jm) asks:
> <snip> I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block
> using these cheap table saws or are they unsafe? <snip>
>
> Well, if you can make the chopping block in the first place, don't
> see why you couldn't use one. I have a $79 HF saw, and it takes a bit
> of fiddling with the fence, but with a good blade, cuts fine.
>
> Unsafe? I obviously don't understand this as stated. Like it's
> gonna fall apart, or what?
>
> JOAT
> No sense in being pessimistic - it wouldn't work anyway.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 30 Aug 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>

"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a box
> before. What would its function be?
>
>
I have several friends on the crafts circuit that make boxes. Most of them
use exotic woods for decorator boxes. Some functions include stationary,
jewelry, trinkets, and some are just for collectors. Yes, there are
collectors of small wooden boxes. One makes Bible boxes with carved tops.
Another makes just cigar boxes of Spanish cedar. Another makes fancy $300
to $1000 boxes for crematory ashes. Some are turned. Some are inlaid. And
one of the most promising young cabinetmakers I have known now makes
specialized plywood boxes for shipping aviation instruments -- a waste of
talent, but very profitable. harrym

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> jm wrote:
> > Thank you. I don't want to buy one. I can buy a lot of things premade
and
> > I don't understand why some of the folks said to buy one. It looked
like I
> > could make one and something that might be used. I should probably make
a
> > bunch of them and give them as Christmas presents. Yes, I am that guy
who
> > gives you the "homeade" stuff for Christmas.
>
> Jim, I think that you're missing the pointthat people are trying to make
> here. I've never met a woodworker who didn't make presents for friends
> and family. Comparing the amount of work that it takes to make one, a
> butcher block is harder than a dovetail box, and much cheaper to buy
> pre-made. the point being, that butcher blocks take ALOT of work and
> nobody will see the work, a nicely made box will be turned over and
> around and examined to a much higher degree. More "WOW" factor. A box
> is also easier to make with limited tools.
> Dave in Fairfax

Alright, what kind of box should I make. I never thought of making a box
before. What would its function be?

Hey... I think your cap lock key is on..


"RM MS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A so-called "Cheap Saw" wil not cut your fngers off. That you will have
> to do yourself. Ithink it is a verygod thing when a person lives with
> and learns on very basic equipment, as long as he takethe time to adjust
> and trueit up t its highest potental. Then asyou learn and ain
> experience, you will KNOW WHAT FEATURES AND CAPABILITIESYOU need, SHOULD
> YOU DECIDE TO MAKE ANOTHER PURCHASE. in THIS GROUP i SEE A BUNCHOF
> cATALOG rATS WHO HAVE BOUGHT EVERY DAMN THING IN THE WORLD AND hAVE NOT
> SPENT A FULL HOUR ON ANY JOB AT ALL. uSE WHAT YA BRUNG.
>

Yes, one of those saws will do the job. You will have to cut slowly, pay
careful attention to set up, and probably invest another couple of bucks for
a better blade (I'd suggest a Freud. for a good balance between price and
quality of cut).

It is absolute BS you are being showered with when anyone tell you you HAVE
to have something better. If it has a motor that runs, a minimum of run out
(which, the brands you name should have), a reasonably sharp blade, it will
cut wood. Cutting wood is what you want to do.

A fellow woodworker of my acquaintance uses an ancient 8 1/2" Craftsman
direct drive table top saw and I've seen him build an extension to his house
with it along with some very credible mission style furniture and his forte,
clocks. That pretty well covers the gamut between rough carpentry to
precision work.

It isn't as effortless as it could be with a more expensive saw but with
attention to saw set up, cut setup, a sharp blade, and a slow feed it does
do the job.

If you want to work with wood you don't have to quit buying groceries to do
it. perseverance, patience, attention to detail and, practice with the tools
you do have or can afford, is all you really need.

There is a whole community of woodworkers out there that think electricity
is a tool of the devil and verge on considering electric lights in their
workshop is heresy. All they use are hand tools, most, probably bought at
garage sales, to turn out work equal to or better then that of many of those
insisting on propagating the myth that you NEED such and such a power tool
or quality of power tool.

Yes, you get what you pay for but, inexpensive does not mean an inability to
perform a basic function. A $100.00 table top saw will perform it's basic
function of cutting wood. How well it does that means you have to put a bit
more sweat equity into the job then someone who has a $1500.00 cabinet saw
does to get the same results.

.
--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_tw4b.317217$o%2.144093@sccrnsc02...
> I have been through several projects finally reducing them all to not
having
> enough money to I just don't have any interest.
>
> All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
hardwood.
> I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
>
> All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
> Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
> for.
>
> I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using these
> cheap table saws or are they unsafe?
>
> I was going to use the table saw to rip (think thats it) the big hardwood
> board and then cut it up into the smaller pieces, glue them, etc. I
already
> own a router and a table that I don't know how to use and thought I could
> learn how now.
>
> I am through feeling sorry for myself now.
>
> Thanks. Comments?
>
>

In article <_tw4b.317217$o%2.144093@sccrnsc02>,
jm <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have been through several projects finally reducing them all to not having
>enough money to I just don't have any interest.
>
>All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good hardwood.
>I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
>
>All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
>Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
>for.

In a 'decent quality' *BUDGET*PRICED* saw, the Ryobi BT3100 is the hands-down
choice. gotta spend more than twice the money to get something 'appreciably'
better. Oh yeah. I'm _not_ fond of Ryobi tools, in general. :)

Be warned, it's about $300.

>I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using these
>cheap table saws or are they unsafe?

None of them are any more 'unsafe' than any other saw. differences are
in 'quality of cut', ease of use, the difficulty (or lack thereof) to re-set
to the same measure later, to make a matching cut, etc.


You _can_ do 'almost anything' with _any_ of the saws. The 'little' ones
(those 99$ 'benchtop specials' you've been looking at) are 'awkward' (at
_best_) for dealing with large pieces of wood. where large is anything more
than 3, maybe 4, foot long. A second person ('helper') and/or 'supplemental
support'(infeed and/or outfeed tables) is a near necessity for larger
pieces.

If your hardwood source can supply 'shorts' or cut-to-length, one of those
budget benchtop saws should let you 'get the job done'. I don't know where
you plan to go 'after this project', which makes it hard to comment on the
"longer term" advisability of the postulated purchase. For limited "carpentry",
they're an "o.k." device, as long as you understand and respect their limits.
For cabinetmaking, or other "fine woodworking" they are *very* limiting, and
a source (until replaced) of unending frustration.

>I was going to use the table saw to rip (think thats it) the big hardwood
>board and then cut it up into the smaller pieces, glue them, etc. I already
>own a router and a table that I don't know how to use and thought I could
>learn how now.
>
>I am through feeling sorry for myself now.
>
>Thanks. Comments?
>
Comment: You "know what you _don't_ know", and that puts you ahead of a _lot_
of people.

If you think of one of those little benchtop saws as a lifetime acquisition
that you'll never need to replace, you're bound to be disappointed.

If you view it as an "experiment" to see if this is something you'd like to
do more of, and are willing to 'write off' most of the cost whether you
do not (and try to unload it on the 'used' market), or do (and need a quality
tool) decide to continue with the hobby, then I'd say 'go for it'. Keep in
mind, however, that you may well spend considerable time 'fighting with' the
tool -- 'fighting' that you would *not* be doing with a better tool.

Good luck in your endeavors!

[email protected] wrote:

> nobody will see the work, a nicely made box will be turned over and
> around and examined to a much higher degree. More "WOW" factor. A box
> is also easier to make with limited tools.

Second that one. I'm getting into boxmaking, though I'm sort of limited
because I don't have any decent way to sharpen anything, and I'm coming up
against a brick wall there. I really need to take a timeout and learn how
to sharpen things properly, before I ruin more chisels.

Anyway, the point I'm getting at is that I just made a box to contain the
contents of the broken plastic thingie that used to hold my tap and die
set. The box is nothing spectacular to look at, but it was very rewarding,
and fairly simple to make. I've gotten more of a wow out of SWMBO over
this stupid little ugly plywood box than anything I've made in the last
four years. I'm going to start making them out of good wood, with better
looking joinery. Good thing to do with my piddly little shop.

--
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:34:02 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Thanks. Comments?

Don't make chopping blocks - they're easily bought ready-made.

If you can't afford / store a good range of tools (no shame in that),
then make stuff that doesn't need them. One of the good things about
woodworking is that there's plenty you can still do - you just have to
choose your projects.

Try green woodworking. You can make a superb Windsor chair with basic
handtools and a very simple lathe - if you have the space, you can
even go completely rustic and use a pole lathe (but that does go a bit
beardie).

S/H old hand tools and doing your own sharpening is the best route to
good, cheap tools. Handsaws too.

My first usable table saw cost £200, so that's probably $250 in the
US. That's still pretty affordable, with some saving, and I'd not want
to use one of the cheaper models. There's also S/H - I saw an
eminently restorable Wadkin (as good as a Unisaw) for £160 lately.

Thanks. I thought that's what I needed the table saw for mostly - the
ripping.


"Sweet Sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> First of all I take it that you are serious and not just trolling with
this
> message. You can't make a butcher block cutting board with just a table
> saw. Well you could but it would be a lot of trouble if you didn't know
> what you were doing. You will need to rip the boards, cut them to length,
> edge the boards along the glue joints, glue up the boards, flatten the
whole
> construct when you are finished. This all could be done with a TS and
> router and table if you know how. I would suggest that you look around and
> find someone with a home shop in your area and ask them for help. You
would
> gain knowledge, make a friend, save money on tools until you can find out
> what you want to do and buy.
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_tw4b.317217$o%2.144093@sccrnsc02...
> > I have been through several projects finally reducing them all to not
> having
> > enough money to I just don't have any interest.
> >
> > All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
> hardwood.
> > I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
> >
> > All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I
saw
> > Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they
pay
> > for.
> >
> > I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using
these
> > cheap table saws or are they unsafe?
> >
> > I was going to use the table saw to rip (think thats it) the big
hardwood
> > board and then cut it up into the smaller pieces, glue them, etc. I
> already
> > own a router and a table that I don't know how to use and thought I
could
> > learn how now.
> >
> > I am through feeling sorry for myself now.
> >
> > Thanks. Comments?
> >
> >
>
>

I appreciate the comment he made, but it looked a little more like a ransom
note than a usenet post about table saws.


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hey... I think your cap lock key is on..
>
>
> "RM MS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A so-called "Cheap Saw" wil not cut your fngers off. That you will have
> > to do yourself. Ithink it is a verygod thing when a person lives with
> > and learns on very basic equipment, as long as he takethe time to adjust
> > and trueit up t its highest potental. Then asyou learn and ain
> > experience, you will KNOW WHAT FEATURES AND CAPABILITIESYOU need, SHOULD
> > YOU DECIDE TO MAKE ANOTHER PURCHASE. in THIS GROUP i SEE A BUNCHOF
> > cATALOG rATS WHO HAVE BOUGHT EVERY DAMN THING IN THE WORLD AND hAVE NOT
> > SPENT A FULL HOUR ON ANY JOB AT ALL. uSE WHAT YA BRUNG.
> >
>
>

"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message > I have been through
several projects finally reducing them all to not having
> enough money to I just don't have any interest.
>
> All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
hardwood.
> I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).

I suggest you buy a chopping block if that is really all you want to make.

>
> All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
> Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
> for.
>

$100-$125 will buy a good hand held circle saw. I would NOT wast money on
a $100-125 Table Saw unless you find a used name brand one at a garage sale.

First of all I take it that you are serious and not just trolling with this
message. You can't make a butcher block cutting board with just a table
saw. Well you could but it would be a lot of trouble if you didn't know
what you were doing. You will need to rip the boards, cut them to length,
edge the boards along the glue joints, glue up the boards, flatten the whole
construct when you are finished. This all could be done with a TS and
router and table if you know how. I would suggest that you look around and
find someone with a home shop in your area and ask them for help. You would
gain knowledge, make a friend, save money on tools until you can find out
what you want to do and buy.
"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_tw4b.317217$o%2.144093@sccrnsc02...
> I have been through several projects finally reducing them all to not
having
> enough money to I just don't have any interest.
>
> All I really want to do is make a chopping block out of some good
hardwood.
> I have a good supplier locally (not HD or Lowes they don't sell it).
>
> All I can afford without debt is one of those $99 saws maybe $125. I saw
> Delta, Ryobi, Craftsman, and a few others. I know one gets what they pay
> for.
>
> I wanted to know if it was possible to build a chopping block using these
> cheap table saws or are they unsafe?
>
> I was going to use the table saw to rip (think thats it) the big hardwood
> board and then cut it up into the smaller pieces, glue them, etc. I
already
> own a router and a table that I don't know how to use and thought I could
> learn how now.
>
> I am through feeling sorry for myself now.
>
> Thanks. Comments?
>
>