I get these nonsensical email messages a few times a week and was
wondering if anyone can fill me in on their purpose:
> Hi there,
>
> capitol defraud etiology abusable lorinda dod bellicose crochet hopkinsian
> brighten coriolanus bitch laotian amplitude gertrude demarcate exhaustion
> argumentation gaff fled quonset amadeus simplectic sprocket edwards
> resurrect juneau barn
> speckle berwick middleweight stan sagittarius urgency effloresce basemen
> obedient %.
>
> Are you tired of seeing pr~ice tags of $100 to $900 for sof>tware titles?
>
> Are you tired of getting infec.ted when you try to down/load soft-ware
> online?
SNIP
> Here are a few examples of specials we offer, or combo packs:
>
> powers winnipeg aching alexandre schenectady back neuroses blissful barstow
> clannish reimbursable bowel disquietude affix buxom dickey lovelorn
> marguerite christiana discrete histogram sober attainder inviolable automat
> camellia anhydrite curlicue
> miranda rhodolite hurdle thenceforth dote tropic scandium succeed brady
> cassette cityscape pentecostal bitnet maledict indorse imprecision
> administer swarthout alike cauldron spectrogram three atlas cauldron
> expelling cynthia levee spatterdock
What's with the list of words?
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"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> What's with the list of words?
Terrorist coded messages.
On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:28 GMT, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> What's with the list of words?
>
> Terrorist coded messages.
Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually.
What bettter way to mask who your recipient is than by sending it to millions
who can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard drive?
Hey, Hey. Not everyone has successfully finished
"Hooked on Phonics" (tm) yet.
;-)
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 16:14:41 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> posted:
>I get these nonsensical email messages a few times a week and was
>wondering if anyone can fill me in on their purpose:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> capitol defraud etiology abusable lorinda dod bellicose crochet hopkinsian
>> brighten coriolanus bitch laotian amplitude gertrude demarcate exhaustion
>> argumentation gaff fled quonset amadeus simplectic sprocket edwards
>> resurrect juneau barn
>> speckle berwick middleweight stan sagittarius urgency effloresce basemen
>> obedient %.
>>
>> Are you tired of seeing pr~ice tags of $100 to $900 for sof>tware titles?
>>
>> Are you tired of getting infec.ted when you try to down/load soft-ware
>> online?
>SNIP
>> Here are a few examples of specials we offer, or combo packs:
>>
>> powers winnipeg aching alexandre schenectady back neuroses blissful barstow
>> clannish reimbursable bowel disquietude affix buxom dickey lovelorn
>> marguerite christiana discrete histogram sober attainder inviolable automat
>> camellia anhydrite curlicue
>> miranda rhodolite hurdle thenceforth dote tropic scandium succeed brady
>> cassette cityscape pentecostal bitnet maledict indorse imprecision
>> administer swarthout alike cauldron spectrogram three atlas cauldron
>> expelling cynthia levee spatterdock
>
>What's with the list of words?
I guess they are a list of random words, but every so often, there
will be a word in the subject that hooks my attention as it will be a
word I've recently been involved with or a name of someone I've
mentioned.
Perhaps this is just coincidence working on my paranoia :)
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually.
> What bettter way to mask who your recipient is than by sending it to
millions
> who can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard drive?
I have been thinking this for quite some time now.
Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip
>
> What's with the list of words?
>
My best guess is that they're just filler words.
With some anti-spam programs and filters, one of the criteria for spam is
the number of common "spam" words as compared to the number of "regular"
words. The filler words simply lessen the chance the message will be caught
by a filter.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:28 GMT, Leon
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> What's with the list of words?
>>
>> Terrorist coded messages.
>
> Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually. What bettter way to
> mask who your recipient is than by sending it to millions who
> can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard
> drive?
Probably making the cryptography types pull their hair. With the
volume and number of spams zooming around, it should be possible
to distribute complete cipher tables faster and more frequently
than really good analysis software can even get started on the
old ones.
And even if spam could be magically eliminated, there'd be
nothing to stop an unfriendly community of non-terrorist users
from including random word lists in their normal e-mails to
provide camouflage so that sympathetic activists (which group
/could/ include terrorists) could communicate freely without
needing to worry about snoops.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
The spammers insert those words to make each email unique. In other words,
they put a different set of dictionary words in the spam they send to you
than the one they send to me. If we both subscribe to an anti-spam service,
it will not know the spam is really the same message being sent to us both.
Dave
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I get these nonsensical email messages a few times a week and was
> wondering if anyone can fill me in on their purpose:
Mike Patterson <[email protected]> writes:
> I think using Usenet groups would be the easiest way to pass coded
> messages with rousing suspicion.
One way that was used was encoding information in images on web pages.
See steganography.
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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
>>trained pigeons.
>
> Rather unreliable and slow.
See the Internet standard RFC1149. It doesn't make it faster, but it
solves the reliability problem.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
>>See the Internet standard RFC1149. It doesn't make it faster, but it
>>solves the [pigeon] reliability problem.
>>
>>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
>
> Thanks, that one goes in the "FunStuff" references! :-)
>
Notice the date it was released. April 1st. Other "standards" have
been released on this date. It used to be a USENET tradition. For
instance, we used to announce when new sites got connected to USENET
for the purposes of exchanging news. (Not all sites had a IP
connection. Some used dialup protocols.) In fact, the only way to get
a direct connection to the ARPAnet was to be a vendor to the US
government. So in 1984, we saw this announcement:
http://www.2meta.com/april-fools/1984/kremvax.html
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 03:04:58 -0600, "xrongor" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> > Terrorist coded messages.
>>
>> Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually.
>> What bettter way to mask who your recipient is than by sending it to
>millions
>> who can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard drive?
>
>trained pigeons.
>
>randy
>
Rather unreliable and slow.
On 24 May 2004 00:55:35 GMT, Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>>trained pigeons.
>>
>> Rather unreliable and slow.
>
>
>See the Internet standard RFC1149. It doesn't make it faster, but it
>solves the reliability problem.
>
>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
Thanks, that one goes in the "FunStuff" references! :-)
On Fri, 21 May 2004 16:14:41 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I get these nonsensical email messages a few times a week and was
>wondering if anyone can fill me in on their purpose:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> capitol defraud etiology abusable lorinda dod bellicose crochet hopkinsian
>> brighten coriolanus bitch laotian amplitude gertrude demarcate exhaustion
>> argumentation gaff fled quonset amadeus simplectic sprocket edwards
>> resurrect juneau barn
>> speckle berwick middleweight stan sagittarius urgency effloresce basemen
>> obedient %.
>>
>> Are you tired of seeing pr~ice tags of $100 to $900 for sof>tware titles?
>>
>> Are you tired of getting infec.ted when you try to down/load soft-ware
>> online?
>SNIP
>> Here are a few examples of specials we offer, or combo packs:
>>
>> powers winnipeg aching alexandre schenectady back neuroses blissful barstow
>> clannish reimbursable bowel disquietude affix buxom dickey lovelorn
>> marguerite christiana discrete histogram sober attainder inviolable automat
>> camellia anhydrite curlicue
>> miranda rhodolite hurdle thenceforth dote tropic scandium succeed brady
>> cassette cityscape pentecostal bitnet maledict indorse imprecision
>> administer swarthout alike cauldron spectrogram three atlas cauldron
>> expelling cynthia levee spatterdock
>
>What's with the list of words?
to beat the spam filters. server side filtering is becoming more
common and more intelligent. it looks for key words, so the spammers
disguise them with random spaces inserted or special characters that
resemble standard characters. the intelligent filters may also use the
percentage of keywords in a message as a factor, so the spammers pad
out the message with random nonsense. frankly I can't imagine buying
anything from such an email, but apparently someons does or they
wouldn't keep it up.
On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:46:58 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> yeah... or it could be some clueless geeks trying to sell
>> viagara and xanax....
>
>Yuppers - I'm sure that this was how the wordlists (and silly
>short stories) started. I would hope it's true for /all/ such
>spam; but the crypto folks can't assume so.
remember that crypto is one of those fields where there are plenty if
introverted geeks with immense brainpower and no social skills itching
to make a name for themselves... it's not something that starts and
ends with the fbi. those cypher kids will probably be the ones to show
this up if it's so.
I think using Usenet groups would be the easiest way to pass coded
messages with rousing suspicion.
Make a simple code where phrases or short sentences have a different
meaning and post the coded messages to any number of the off-the-wall
groups.
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:07:36 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:28 GMT, Leon
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> What's with the list of words?
>>>
>>> Terrorist coded messages.
>>
>> Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually. What bettter way to
>> mask who your recipient is than by sending it to millions who
>> can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard
>> drive?
>
>Probably making the cryptography types pull their hair. With the
>volume and number of spams zooming around, it should be possible
>to distribute complete cipher tables faster and more frequently
>than really good analysis software can even get started on the
>old ones.
>
>And even if spam could be magically eliminated, there'd be
>nothing to stop an unfriendly community of non-terrorist users
>from including random word lists in their normal e-mails to
>provide camouflage so that sympathetic activists (which group
>/could/ include terrorists) could communicate freely without
>needing to worry about snoops.
Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."
On Fri, 21 May 2004 23:24:21 -0000, kodiakman <[email protected]> posted:
>Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>snip
>>
>> What's with the list of words?
>>
>
>My best guess is that they're just filler words.
>
>With some anti-spam programs and filters, one of the criteria for spam is
>the number of common "spam" words as compared to the number of "regular"
>words. The filler words simply lessen the chance the message will be caught
>by a filter.
>
>
That sounds reasonable.
I sometimes wonder about the mentality of some spammers. Do they think
that deliberately misspelling V1AGRA to evade your filters will endear
you to them and you will buy their wares? Sure!
Owen,
Their purpose is to defeat the Bayesian filters that attempt to detect spam.
As of late, most of the messages I've received like that also had a
virus/worm/Trojan horse attached which got knocked out either by my ISP or
by NAV.
You'll notice that none of those words "sell anything" and those that look
like typical sales words have been altered (pr~ice) so they're not picked up
by the filters.
Bob S.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I get these nonsensical email messages a few times a week and was
> wondering if anyone can fill me in on their purpose:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > capitol defraud etiology abusable lorinda dod bellicose crochet
hopkinsian
> > brighten coriolanus bitch laotian amplitude gertrude demarcate
exhaustion
> > argumentation gaff fled quonset amadeus simplectic sprocket edwards
> > resurrect juneau barn
> > speckle berwick middleweight stan sagittarius urgency effloresce basemen
> > obedient %.
> >
> > Are you tired of seeing pr~ice tags of $100 to $900 for sof>tware
titles?
> >
> > Are you tired of getting infec.ted when you try to down/load soft-ware
> > online?
> SNIP
> > Here are a few examples of specials we offer, or combo packs:
> >
> > powers winnipeg aching alexandre schenectady back neuroses blissful
barstow
> > clannish reimbursable bowel disquietude affix buxom dickey lovelorn
> > marguerite christiana discrete histogram sober attainder inviolable
automat
> > camellia anhydrite curlicue
> > miranda rhodolite hurdle thenceforth dote tropic scandium succeed brady
> > cassette cityscape pentecostal bitnet maledict indorse imprecision
> > administer swarthout alike cauldron spectrogram three atlas cauldron
> > expelling cynthia levee spatterdock
>
> What's with the list of words?
>
> --
> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
> Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
> <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
> <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
[email protected] wrote:
> yeah... or it could be some clueless geeks trying to sell
> viagara and xanax....
Yuppers - I'm sure that this was how the wordlists (and silly
short stories) started. I would hope it's true for /all/ such
spam; but the crypto folks can't assume so.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
In article <[email protected]>,
Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote:
> What's with the list of words?
Thanks for the explanation - it makes more sense now and I agree with
Sandy:
> I sometimes wonder about the mentality of some spammers. Do they think
> that deliberately misspelling V1AGRA to evade your filters will endear
> you to them and you will buy their wares? Sure!
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:07:36 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:28 GMT, Leon
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> What's with the list of words?
>>>
>>> Terrorist coded messages.
>>
>> Not an unreasonable suggestion, actually. What bettter way to
>> mask who your recipient is than by sending it to millions who
>> can rightfully claim to have no idea why it's on their hard
>> drive?
>
>Probably making the cryptography types pull their hair. With the
>volume and number of spams zooming around, it should be possible
>to distribute complete cipher tables faster and more frequently
>than really good analysis software can even get started on the
>old ones.
>
>And even if spam could be magically eliminated, there'd be
>nothing to stop an unfriendly community of non-terrorist users
>from including random word lists in their normal e-mails to
>provide camouflage so that sympathetic activists (which group
>/could/ include terrorists) could communicate freely without
>needing to worry about snoops.
yeah... or it could be some clueless geeks trying to sell viagara and
xanax....
Mike Patterson wrote:
> I think using Usenet groups would be the easiest way to pass
> coded messages with rousing suspicion.
>
> Make a simple code where phrases or short sentences have a
> different meaning and post the coded messages to any number of
> the off-the-wall groups.
Mike...
I don't know. The server I use (MSN) knows which groups I read (I
became aware of that when it asked for a userid and password for
each group monitored). There's a greater degree of anonymity if
the desired recipients are included in a spam mailing list along
with a million "noise" recipients.
It'd even be fairly easy to provide a filter target so that the
recipients wouldn't have to dig through a ton of normal spam to
find their messages.
This isn't the right forum (and I'm not a crypto expert) for this
discussion. Let's go back to making sawdust (-:
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA