On 10/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michael wrote:
> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz has other ideas.
>
> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/reconsidering-chipbreakers-as-not-totally-evil
>
That goes along with an Englishman (can't remember his name) preached
the same years ago at a ww show.
I have not had luck getting them that tight. I still tear out.. I have a
bench that the boards are glued up in opposite orientation. Even across
the grain the maple is tearing out. I tried it, and it did not resolve
the problem. Nasty, since even a scraper tears out the grain.
--
Jeff
On 10/11/2013 10:09 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 10/8/2013 5:03 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 10/8/2013 3:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz
>>> has other ideas.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> That basically follows my earlier empirical observations plus learned
>> early on
>> that fitting it to the blade so there was no catching area was essential.
>>
>> The reason to have to set it back so far to avoid clogging is that
>> typically
>> they don't fit precisely against the blade so there is a big (in
>> relative terms
>> compared to a shaving) gap there...
>
> And that's kinda the problem, isn't it? I mean with respect to
> clogging. The author goes on about hating chip breakers because they
> always clog, but if you mate them properly to the blade (absolutely NO
> gap!) they won't do that, and you can put them as close to the tip of
> the blade as you want to address the problem for which they were
> designed, which is minimizing tear-out. I spend as much time flattening
> and honing the mating surface of my chip breakers as I do flattening the
> backs of my plane blades, and I've never had a problem with clogging as
> long as the mating surfaces are correct.
>
Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was excellent at
explaining the chip breaker being the absolute way to solve tearout.. of
course I can't get it to work the way he did, and I next bought a bevel
up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some very , very tough figured
maple and no tearout during the show. so I think the guy is clearly a
good guy to learn from.
--
Jeff
On 10/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michael wrote:
> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz has other ideas.
>
> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/reconsidering-chipbreakers-as-not-totally-evil
>
That goes along with an Englishman (can't remember his name) preached
the same years ago at a ww show.
I have not had luck getting them that tight. I still tear out.. I have a
bench that the boards are glued up in opposite orientation. Even across
the grain the maple is tearing out. I tried it, and it did not resolve
the problem. Nasty, since even a scraper tears out the grain.
--
Jeff
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was excellent at explaining the chip
> > breaker being the absolute way to solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did,
> > and I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some very , very tough figured
> > maple and no tearout during the show. so I think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from.
> >
> > --
> > Jeff
>
> 2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
> Aren't you special.
> Art
The post never made it here...
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> On 10/14/2013 10:29 PM, phorbin wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>> Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was excellent at explaining the chip
> >>> breaker being the absolute way to solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did,
> >>> and I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some very , very tough figured
> >>> maple and no tearout during the show. so I think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff
> >>
> >> 2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
> >> Aren't you special.
> >> Art
> >
> > The post never made it here...
>
> It happens.
'just a terse indication that posts don't necessarily propagate everywhere.
"Artemus" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz has
>>> other ideas.
>>>
>>> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/reconsidering-chipbreakers-as->not-totally-evil
>>>
>> That goes along with an Englishman (can't remember his name) preached the
>> same years ago at a ww show.
>>
>Graham Blackburn?
"Englishman?" Geez... I think of him as a "Woodstocker." This as he lives
near there... which is near here! Michael Puryear is in Shokan and Rob Hare
is on Ulster Park... they're all over the place! ;~)
BTW, if anyone is looking for something to do in November Doug Stowe will be
coming to my club for a couple events as follows below... join the club and
join with Doug!
Instructor: Doug Stowe
Doug is from Arkansas and is the Fiske Lecturer for NWA
on Thursday November 14, 2013, and author of the book
"Basic Box Making" from Taunton Press. He's written
many articles for FWW and done several DVDs also. In
the past he was also here on the rec.
Experience Level for this Class:
Beginner to Expert
Description:
There are two days of instruction and demonstration. As an attendee you
may attend either or both of the days.
Friday, November 15, 2013 Doug will teach a design course on box making
and will cover jigs and fixtures for making a mitered corner box. This would
include fitting a top and bottom panel and assembly of a first box.
Saturday, November 16, 2013 Doug will make a couple of boxes using the
jigs and fixtures made on Friday, and finish them with hinge installation
using his story stick technique, fitting a pull or lift tab. Also on
Saturday Doug will demonstrate making a dedicated finger joint jig and a
finger jointed box using a router and base.
Class Date:
Friday November 15, 2013
Saturday November 16, 2013
Class Time is:
9:00 am to 4:00 pm with a break for lunch (on your own)
Location:
Herman Finkbeiner Educational Center, 15 Solar Drive, Clifton Park, NY
12065
Parking:
There is ample parking directly in front of the building.
The handicap parking places near the shop door are always available to
those who have the proper handicap signs/plates.
Cost of Course:
$65.00 for Friday
$65.00 for Saturday
Materials and Supplies Needed:
NONE
Registration:
There are 15 seats available in this course for Friday and for Saturday.
To reserve a spot in this course Email: [email protected].
After you receive a registration confirmation Email,
Make your checks payable to "NWA" and send them to:
NWA
PO Box 246
Rexford, NY 12148
"Artemus" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz has
>>> other ideas.
>>>
>>> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/reconsidering-chipbreakers-as->not-totally-evil
>>>
>> That goes along with an Englishman (can't remember his name) preached the
>> same years ago at a ww show.
>>
>Graham Blackburn?
"Englishman?" Geez... I think of him as a "Woodstocker." This as he lives
near there... which is near here! Michael Puryear is in Shokan and Rob Hare
is on Ulster Park... they're all over the place! ;~)
BTW, if anyone is looking for something to do in November Doug Stowe will be
coming to my club for a couple events as follows below... join the club and
join with Doug!
Instructor: Doug Stowe
Doug is from Arkansas and is the Fiske Lecturer for NWA
on Thursday November 14, 2013, and author of the book
"Basic Box Making" from Taunton Press. He's written
many articles for FWW and done several DVDs also. In
the past he was also here on the rec.
Experience Level for this Class:
Beginner to Expert
Description:
There are two days of instruction and demonstration. As an attendee you
may attend either or both of the days.
Friday, November 15, 2013 Doug will teach a design course on box making
and will cover jigs and fixtures for making a mitered corner box. This would
include fitting a top and bottom panel and assembly of a first box.
Saturday, November 16, 2013 Doug will make a couple of boxes using the
jigs and fixtures made on Friday, and finish them with hinge installation
using his story stick technique, fitting a pull or lift tab. Also on
Saturday Doug will demonstrate making a dedicated finger joint jig and a
finger jointed box using a router and base.
Class Date:
Friday November 15, 2013
Saturday November 16, 2013
Class Time is:
9:00 am to 4:00 pm with a break for lunch (on your own)
Location:
Herman Finkbeiner Educational Center, 15 Solar Drive, Clifton Park, NY
12065
Parking:
There is ample parking directly in front of the building.
The handicap parking places near the shop door are always available to
those who have the proper handicap signs/plates.
Cost of Course:
$65.00 for Friday
$65.00 for Saturday
Materials and Supplies Needed:
NONE
Registration:
There are 15 seats available in this course for Friday and for Saturday.
To reserve a spot in this course Email: [email protected].
After you receive a registration confirmation Email,
Make your checks payable to "NWA" and send them to:
NWA
PO Box 246
Rexford, NY 12148
On 10/8/2013 3:09 PM, Michael wrote:
> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz
> has other ideas.
...
That basically follows my earlier empirical observations plus learned
early on that fitting it to the blade so there was no catching area was
essential.
The reason to have to set it back so far to avoid clogging is that
typically they don't fit precisely against the blade so there is a big
(in relative terms compared to a shaving) gap there...
--
"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 10/8/2013 4:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz has other ideas.
>>
>> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/reconsidering-chipbreakers-as-not-totally-evil
>>
> That goes along with an Englishman (can't remember his name) preached the same years ago at a ww
> show.
>
Graham Blackburn?
Art
On 10/8/2013 5:03 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/8/2013 3:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>> I was taught to set it at 1/16 for a finish plane, but Chris Schwarz
>> has other ideas.
>
> ...
>
> That basically follows my earlier empirical observations plus learned early on
> that fitting it to the blade so there was no catching area was essential.
>
> The reason to have to set it back so far to avoid clogging is that typically
> they don't fit precisely against the blade so there is a big (in relative terms
> compared to a shaving) gap there...
And that's kinda the problem, isn't it? I mean with respect to clogging. The
author goes on about hating chip breakers because they always clog, but if you
mate them properly to the blade (absolutely NO gap!) they won't do that, and
you can put them as close to the tip of the blade as you want to address the
problem for which they were designed, which is minimizing tear-out. I spend as
much time flattening and honing the mating surface of my chip breakers as I do
flattening the backs of my plane blades, and I've never had a problem with
clogging as long as the mating surfaces are correct.
--
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On 10/11/2013 9:09 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
...
> And that's kinda the problem, isn't it? I mean with respect to clogging.
> The author goes on about hating chip breakers because they always clog,
> but if you mate them properly to the blade (absolutely NO gap!) they
> won't do that, and you can put them as close to the tip of the blade as
> you want to address the problem for which they were designed, which is
> minimizing tear-out. I spend as much time flattening and honing the
> mating surface of my chip breakers as I do flattening the backs of my
> plane blades, and I've never had a problem with clogging as long as the
> mating surfaces are correct.
Well, yes; I was taught from the git-go that fitting the breaker to the
blade was part of tuning up a plane...
--
"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was excellent at explaining the chip
> breaker being the absolute way to solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did,
> and I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some very , very tough figured
> maple and no tearout during the show. so I think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from.
>
> --
> Jeff
2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
Aren't you special.
Art
Artemus wrote:
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was
>> excellent at explaining the chip breaker being the absolute way to
>> solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did, and
>> I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some
>> very , very tough figured maple and no tearout during the show. so I
>> think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from. --
>> Jeff
>
> 2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
> Aren't you special.
> Art
And you actually believe everything you post is instantly read by everyone -
or by anyone in usenet? Aren't you special. Idiot.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Artemus wrote:
>> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was
>>> excellent at explaining the chip breaker being the absolute way to
>>> solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did, and
>>> I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some
>>> very , very tough figured maple and no tearout during the show. so I
>>> think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from. --
>>> Jeff
>>
>> 2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
>> Aren't you special.
>> Art
>
> And you actually believe everything you post is instantly read by everyone - or by anyone in
> usenet? Aren't you special. Idiot.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
As an expert on what I believe, and someone who doesn't differentiate
between 2 days and instantly, and who resorts to a DH0 level of argument,
you're in a fine position to be calling others an idiot.
Art
On 10/14/2013 10:29 PM, phorbin wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Ahhhh finally remember the guys name, Graham Blackburn. Was excellent at explaining the chip
>>> breaker being the absolute way to solve tearout.. of course I can't get it to work the way he did,
>>> and I next bought a bevel up Lee Valley jack... but he did work some very , very tough figured
>>> maple and no tearout during the show. so I think the guy is clearly a good guy to learn from.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff
>>
>> 2 days after I post Blackburn's name you "remember" it?
>> Aren't you special.
>> Art
>
> The post never made it here...
It happens.
--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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