Rick Stein wrote:
> An expanded question regarding Oneida . . .?
>
> I've have been using a conventional dust collector (Delta 1.5hp,
> 1100cfm system) for several years. I am starting to build a new
> shop however, and am seriously considering replacing the Delta with
> an Oneida system - probably the 2hp commercial system. For those of
> you who have upgraded similarly, is there a noticeable improvement in
> the systems? Did you find the upgrade worth the investment and time
> required?
> Rick
Huge difference in capacity. The 1.5 Delta was ok but limited in it's
capability for entire shop dust collection especially with the lengths of
flexible duct I had to run using the Delta. The Oneida is much easier to
dump, clean, and with the cartridge filter, allows less dust back into the
air. It's real important to check the 55 gallon drum a lot more often than
you'd think especially when using the planer (it's a real pain to clean the
cartridge filter after inadvertently over filling the drum.....DAMHIKT^3)
I have a small one man commercial shop and I felt it was worth the $4K
investment (2hp commercial plus all the ductwork to 8 machines, 2 floor
sweeps plus room to add on). If I ever hire anybody to help in the shop I
know the system is suffiently big enough to allow two machines to be run and
dust collected at the same time.
The ducting was as much or more than the collector. The upgrade should
include the proper ductwork if you don't already have it. I almost didn't
get the system because of the initial sticker shock from Oneida. I wasn't
expecting to have to go to the 2 hp system (which is nealy twice that of the
1.5 hp) and didn't consider all of the fittings needed to do what I wanted
to do.
Having Oneida design the ductwork made the process of installation soooo
much easier. I managed to do it myself but wouldn't recommend doing that.
An extra set of hands would have taken off 2/3 of the time I spent trying to
hold, measure and screw together the stuff!
Gary
Hi Andy,
You can save money by buying locally in most cases particularly if you count
your time as worth nothing. However, their pieces fit together with minimum
fuss and certain components like their " wyes" are difficult to find. When I
got my system it became apparent to me that none of the local tin bashers
understood things like "losses" due to poor design. IMHO if I were buying a
lot of duct, etc. I would look locally for the more common pieces. For a few
pieces I would not bother. JG
Andrew Barss wrote:
> I've ordered an Oneida DC system, and will be getting their ductwork plan
> in a few days. Question: has anyone bought one, and done a price
> comparison of their metal ducting vs. a local supplier? If so, how much
> did you save by going locally?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy Barss
An expanded question regarding Oneida . . .?
I've have been using a conventional dust collector (Delta 1.5hp, 1100cfm
system) for several years. I am starting to build a new shop however,
and am seriously considering replacing the Delta with an Oneida system -
probably the 2hp commercial system. For those of you who have upgraded
similarly, is there a noticeable improvement in the systems? Did you
find the upgrade worth the investment and time required?
Rick
keith wrote:
> I just went through the same thing. I installed a Oneida 2hp
> commercial system and had them design the ductwork. The quote they
> sent was more expensive than I expected, but the only thing that I
> could find locally was the pipe (6 and 7" snap lock) and that is the
> cheapest part of the whole system. The long radius 90s and shallow
> angle wyes would have to be purchased from them or a similar place
> anyway. I ended up buying everything from Oneida and did not have to
> make any hardware store runs. The design was pretty good with minimal
> left overs. I ended up spending just over 1K on the ductwork for a 24
> x24 shop with 5 machines. all the pipe is 6 or 7" to the machine and
> reduced to 5 at the machine if needed. I am pretty pleased with whole
> setup, and feel like i did the right thing in regards to my and my
> sons health. Keith
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:41:09 -0700, Rick Stein wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> An expanded question regarding Oneida . . .?
>
> I've have been using a conventional dust collector (Delta 1.5hp, 1100cfm
> system) for several years. I am starting to build a new shop however,
> and am seriously considering replacing the Delta with an Oneida system -
> probably the 2hp commercial system. For those of you who have upgraded
> similarly, is there a noticeable improvement in the systems? Did you
> find the upgrade worth the investment and time required?
>
> Rick
>
I recently upgraded to a woodsucker 2hp unit and really like the boost in
airflow. Before I had just dragged a hose around to each machine as I used
it, now I am installing ducting. Currently I have a run of metal 6" ducting
up to my ceiling (9 feet) and 25' of flex hose hanging off of that until I
can finish my layout plan and get some 6" PVC. Woodsucker and Oneida are
close in price when you figure in the included parts. I like the woodsuckers
filter idea of using a canister filter with dusty air flowing from outside
in, versus inside out like many others. Another bonus was Woodsucker saved me
some shipping since they are closer (still $116 of UPS)
Check out the woodsucker site, good information and compaisons.
-Bruce
I just went through the same thing. I installed a Oneida 2hp
commercial system and had them design the ductwork. The quote they
sent was more expensive than I expected, but the only thing that I
could find locally was the pipe (6 and 7" snap lock) and that is the
cheapest part of the whole system. The long radius 90s and shallow
angle wyes would have to be purchased from them or a similar place
anyway. I ended up buying everything from Oneida and did not have to
make any hardware store runs. The design was pretty good with minimal
left overs. I ended up spending just over 1K on the ductwork for a 24
x24 shop with 5 machines. all the pipe is 6 or 7" to the machine and
reduced to 5 at the machine if needed. I am pretty pleased with whole
setup, and feel like i did the right thing in regards to my and my
sons health. Keith
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've ordered an Oneida DC system, and will be getting their ductwork plan
>in a few days. Question: has anyone bought one, and done a price
>comparison of their metal ducting vs. a local supplier? If so, how much
>did you save by going locally?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andy Barss
Andy,
I did the comparison last year. Buying locally was significantly
cheaper. Since you are in Tucson, try Metal Manufacturing Co at 4795
Julian Ave. 748-1117.
Some example prices from them:
10' 4" Spiral metal pipe $10.13
10' 5" Spiral metal pipe $ 9.16
5" 5" 5" Lateral Y $16.22
At the time, Oneida and Penn State were $16.70 and $13.50, respectively
for the pipe. Similar Y's were $22.80 and $49.50. Those prices were
before factoring in shipping.
The only caveat to go with the above: If you use Metal Mfg Co, order
everything you need all at once. They make the parts to order and if you
go back later for one or two parts at a time, the price goes *way* up; I
made an "engineering change" during assembly that resulted in the need for
a couple more elbows. I can't find the receipt, but for just a handful of
addtional parts, the cost was almost 1/4 of the cost of the majority of the
system.
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
: Andy,
: I did the comparison last year. Buying locally was significantly
: cheaper. Since you are in Tucson, try Metal Manufacturing Co at 4795
: Julian Ave. 748-1117.
: Some example prices from them:
: 10' 4" Spiral metal pipe $10.13
: 10' 5" Spiral metal pipe $ 9.16
: 5" 5" 5" Lateral Y $16.22
: At the time, Oneida and Penn State were $16.70 and $13.50, respectively
: for the pipe. Similar Y's were $22.80 and $49.50. Those prices were
: before factoring in shipping.
: The only caveat to go with the above: If you use Metal Mfg Co, order
: everything you need all at once. They make the parts to order and if you
: go back later for one or two parts at a time, the price goes *way* up; I
: made an "engineering change" during assembly that resulted in the need for
: a couple more elbows. I can't find the receipt, but for just a handful of
: addtional parts, the cost was almost 1/4 of the cost of the majority of the
: system.
Thanks for the tip --
Andy