Ok, at our local HS, we have an open woodshop
class - tho no instruction is ever given unless
asked for.
I need to rip some boards down to 2" and others
to 3". Each set of boards will vary in length
from 24 - 60" inches.
The school shop has an old Delta TS. Last
week and and other student checked the
splitter. The thing was NOT centered on
the blade and was leaning intowards the
fence. We somehow got it aligned by working
it up and down. But I still didn't trust
it that night.
I was wondering if there was a good way
I could safely rip my boards on this saw
if the splitter is still "out of whack".
We do have some hold downs and featherboards.
I could see fashioning a hold down that would
keep the boards down on the table. Then pushing
(with push sticks) the stock thru the cut.
Also, I could also see just ripping on the
bandsaw as well.
Anyother good ideas? I searched my books
and without a doubt a splitter is the way
to go and would be if the machine is mine but
I'm looking for an equally safe alternative.
MJ Wallace
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Ok, at our local HS, we have an open woodshop
> class - tho no instruction is ever given unless
> asked for.
>
> I need to rip some boards down to 2" and others
> to 3". Each set of boards will vary in length
> from 24 - 60" inches.
>
> The school shop has an old Delta TS. Last
> week and and other student checked the
> splitter. The thing was NOT centered on
> the blade and was leaning intowards the
> fence. We somehow got it aligned by working
> it up and down. But I still didn't trust
> it that night.
>
> I was wondering if there was a good way
> I could safely rip my boards on this saw
> if the splitter is still "out of whack".
>
> We do have some hold downs and featherboards.
> I could see fashioning a hold down that would
> keep the boards down on the table. Then pushing
> (with push sticks) the stock thru the cut.
>
> Also, I could also see just ripping on the
> bandsaw as well.
>
> Anyother good ideas? I searched my books
> and without a doubt a splitter is the way
> to go and would be if the machine is mine but
> I'm looking for an equally safe alternative.
>
Are you a student in this class I gather?
If so, I would suggest it's time to ask for some help--first to get the
machine set up properly and second to get some (hopefully) competent
instruction/demonstration on the use of the saw itself.
2" is really not that bad a width for ripping w/ a push stick and 5' or
less is short enough that it can be handled reasonably well although an
outfeed support would be useful.
I would <not> use the saw with the splitter until the splitter is set
properly and is not loose where it could be moved manually. I'd rather
rip w/o it than in that condition.
Andy wrote:
>
> Personally, I'd use the bandsaw unless I could get reliable help in
> setting up the splitter correctly.
Personally, I'd take the splitter off--I've never found need for one for
anything other than really sorry stuff like wet construction lumber that
moves like crazy...
I just didn't want to make that particular recommendation to what
appeared to be a shop student...
It sounds like a very poorly run shop/program, however. :(
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> Ok, at our local HS, we have an open woodshop
> class - tho no instruction is ever given unless
> asked for.
>
> I need to rip some boards down to 2" and others
> to 3". Each set of boards will vary in length
> from 24 - 60" inches.
>
> The school shop has an old Delta TS. Last
> week and and other student checked the
> splitter. The thing was NOT centered on
> the blade and was leaning intowards the
> fence. We somehow got it aligned by working
> it up and down. But I still didn't trust
> it that night.
>
> I was wondering if there was a good way
> I could safely rip my boards on this saw
> if the splitter is still "out of whack".
>
> We do have some hold downs and featherboards.
> I could see fashioning a hold down that would
> keep the boards down on the table. Then pushing
> (with push sticks) the stock thru the cut.
>
Handsome is as does. It might just be a visual flaw. Run something you
have good control of and see what happens.
Are you saying that this shop is not part of an IA program during the day?
If there's day work going on, the splitter's probably OK. If not, time to
get with the instructor and tune the machine. The folks at the wood hobby
shop on base used to love it when the co-pilot and I would bring in a mess
of wood to prepare, because we left the planer, jointer and bandsaw in
adjustment and with sharp blades.
At school the "advanced" woods class performed most standard maintenance. I
checked their work. Rather imagine that's the case where you are.
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>
>> If not, he should get one or fix his.
>>
> That is kinda the point of the thread. He can't.
Then he should not make the cut. Period. There is no safe way if you KNOW
the fence or splitter is out of whack. You fix it, remove it, or go
elsewhere.
My tablesaw kicks back every time I use it. Should I get a face guard?
How about a chest protector?
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "NorthIdahoWWer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In 20+ years of woodwerkin, I can't remember a cut I've ever made using a
>> splitter. I would think no splitter would be safer than one that's not
>> aligned right.
>>
> You probably have a nice square fence and flat stock. He might not.
If not, he should get one or fix his.
"NorthIdahoWWer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In 20+ years of woodwerkin, I can't remember a cut I've ever made using a
> splitter. I would think no splitter would be safer than one that's not
> aligned right.
>
You probably have a nice square fence and flat stock. He might not.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6v%[email protected]...
>>
>> "NorthIdahoWWer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In 20+ years of woodwerkin, I can't remember a cut I've ever made using
>>> a
>>> splitter. I would think no splitter would be safer than one that's not
>>> aligned right.
>>>
>> You probably have a nice square fence and flat stock. He might not.
>
> If not, he should get one or fix his.
>
That is kinda the point of the thread. He can't.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:13:53 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>
>>> If not, he should get one or fix his.
>>>
>> That is kinda the point of the thread. He can't.
>
>Then he should not make the cut. Period. There is no safe way if you KNOW
>the fence or splitter is out of whack. You fix it, remove it, or go
>elsewhere.
>
>My tablesaw kicks back every time I use it. Should I get a face guard?
>How about a chest protector?
>
a cup.
My splitter is adjusted to lean closer to the fence. Sometimes it is a
little tight and I have trouble getting the wood started but I NEVER have a
kick back and seldom have blade marks on the cut.
max
> Ok, at our local HS, we have an open woodshop
> class - tho no instruction is ever given unless
> asked for.
>
> I need to rip some boards down to 2" and others
> to 3". Each set of boards will vary in length
> from 24 - 60" inches.
>
> The school shop has an old Delta TS. Last
> week and and other student checked the
> splitter. The thing was NOT centered on
> the blade and was leaning intowards the
> fence. We somehow got it aligned by working
> it up and down. But I still didn't trust
> it that night.
>
> I was wondering if there was a good way
> I could safely rip my boards on this saw
> if the splitter is still "out of whack".
>
> We do have some hold downs and featherboards.
> I could see fashioning a hold down that would
> keep the boards down on the table. Then pushing
> (with push sticks) the stock thru the cut.
>
> Also, I could also see just ripping on the
> bandsaw as well.
>
> Anyother good ideas? I searched my books
> and without a doubt a splitter is the way
> to go and would be if the machine is mine but
> I'm looking for an equally safe alternative.
>
> MJ Wallace
>
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> My tablesaw kicks back every time I use it. Should I get a face guard?
>> How about a chest protector?
> I hope that is a joke. It should not kick back at all.
That is my point. The op is wondering how to best make a cut on a saw that
is way out of tune. Answer: You don't make the cut, you fix the saw first.
Australopithecus scobis wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:28:25 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>
>> Blocks are even cheaper when you make them in the shop,
>> with mouse pads glued to the bottom.
>
> I don't know table saws. This is just curiosity:
> Do you apply two strips of neoprene, either side of the blade
> path? Would the blade snatch at neoprene if one wide piece were used?
>
I start with a solid strip, which is soon slit all over the place.
There is no "snatching" or other resistance to the blade. The blade
chews at the bottom of the grip. When the grip wears off, sand or
scrape the remnants off and attach a new grip with contact cement.
See:
<http://www.bburke.com/wood/jigsandtools.html>
I don't even bother to add the rear "hook" any more, the rubber does a
fine job providing traction. My latest batch of shop made blocks are
about the 3"x6" on the bottom, about 1/3 the length of the one in the
photo, with similar handles. I rout a quick dado in the base, as Murphy
specifies that nails or screws would definitely find the blade.
You could also buy commercially available G-RRIPPERs, or use standard
"jointer" style push blocks rather than making them.
Using the blocks allows the operator to safely keep pressure on the work
to hold it against the fence. One block should always be against the
work. Whenever possible, I still use an MJ or shop-made splitter, which
are low enough to allow blocks to pass over. When ripping very thin
strips, I'll often stand to the side of the saw, jointer-style.
Work safe!
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:19:26 -0700, "NorthIdahoWWer"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In 20+ years of woodwerkin, I can't remember a cut I've ever made using a
>splitter. I would think no splitter would be safer than one that's not
>aligned right.
>
>
after 20= years of woodworking with no splitter I went ahead and added
one to my saw. it's not on for every cut, but I have come to
appreciate it being there when it is.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> The school shop has an old Delta TS. Last
> week and and other student checked the
> splitter. The thing was NOT centered on
> the blade and was leaning intowards the
> fence. We somehow got it aligned by working
> it up and down. But I still didn't trust
> it that night.
First remove the insert and make sure that the splitter is properly attached
to the saw and tightened down. Other than that, splitters have been known to
get bent out of alignment and it should not be a big thing to
bend/shape/push it back to where it properly belongs.Generally speaking, if
you can accomplish the cut with the splitter in place and with normal
pressure, and it is not loose, it is more than likely performing its
function.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/17/05
"Australopithecus scobis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:28:25 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>
> > Blocks are even cheaper when you make them in the shop,
> > with mouse pads glued to the bottom.
>
> I don't know table saws. This is just curiosity:
> Do you apply two strips of neoprene, either side of the blade
> path? Would the blade snatch at neoprene if one wide piece were used?
A tablesaw blade rips through neoprene foam pretty easily. You would hardly
notice it.
-j
Can't you just adjust the splitter?
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:28:25 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
> Blocks are even cheaper when you make them in the shop,
> with mouse pads glued to the bottom.
I don't know table saws. This is just curiosity:
Do you apply two strips of neoprene, either side of the blade
path? Would the blade snatch at neoprene if one wide piece were used?
Duane Bozarth wrote:
> 2" is really not that bad a width for ripping w/ a push stick and 5' or
> less is short enough that it can be handled reasonably well although an
> outfeed support would be useful.
The task is even easier with the blade set slightly taller than the
work, and swapping the push sticks for push BLOCKS, jointer style.
Yes, the blade will chew up the bottom of the push block, but that's why
they're cheap. Blocks are even cheaper when you make them in the shop,
with mouse pads glued to the bottom.
While I prefer a splitter to be in place, I've used this method very
comfortably without a splitter many times. The thinnest I've ripped
this way was 1/8" wide (with a zero clearance insert).
Barry
> My tablesaw kicks back every time I use it. Should I get a face guard?
> How about a chest protector?
I hope that is a joke. It should not kick back at all.
Mine did occasionally (it shot a piece of wood through the wall, onto a
couch 8 feet on the other side of the wall) until I got a microsplitter (or
whatever they call it) Haven't had a kickback since.
Once in a while the wood will pull the splitter out, but that probably means
I would have had nasty kickback without the splitter.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:13:53 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message >>
>>>> If not, he should get one or fix his.
>>>>
>>> That is kinda the point of the thread. He can't.
>>
>>Then he should not make the cut. Period. There is no safe way if you
>>KNOW
>>the fence or splitter is out of whack. You fix it, remove it, or go
>>elsewhere.
>>
>>My tablesaw kicks back every time I use it. Should I get a face guard?
>>How about a chest protector?
>>
>
> a cup.
Maybe a modern day version of a suit of armor will do.
http://www.fist-inc.com/tg/Default.htm