On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
tackle joinery with that approach.
Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is bad?
Thanks,
Hank
In article <[email protected]>,
Hank Kingwood <[email protected]> wrote:
>On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
>carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
>grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
>tackle joinery with that approach.
>
>Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is bad?
>
>Thanks,
>Hank
>
Well sure it is weaker than most alternatives but it is quick & easy
and often is adequate for a specific purpose. like, say firestops or
blocking in walls or floors
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Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:28:14 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
Wasserman) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Hank Kingwood <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
>>carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
>>grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
>>tackle joinery with that approach.
>>
>>Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is bad?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Hank
>>
>
>Well sure it is weaker than most alternatives but it is quick & easy
>and often is adequate for a specific purpose. like, say firestops or
>blocking in walls or floors
stick framing is designed to put nails in end grain under shear loads.
what you're not allowed to do in stick framing is use nails in end
grain in situations where it will see tension loads. that's where the
simpson hardware comes in.
I am making the Woodsmith cherry bed and they have an excellent solution to
end grain joining for the bed rails. about 1/2" from the end of the board
you will be screwing into, drill a hole into the wood with a forstner bit to
a depth about 1" from the other end of the board. That is, lock the board
into a vise and drill through the board parallel to the width. I hope that
makes sense. Then glue in a dowel that matches the size of the hole
drilled. This provides the extra holding power required because when you
drill into the endgrain the screw has some tangential grain to bite into.
Used this on a test bed ,made out of pine and works excellent. Details are
in the woodsmith issue 108 I believe.
John V
"Hank Kingwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
> carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
> grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
> tackle joinery with that approach.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is
bad?
>
> Thanks,
> Hank
>
Well, fastening into endgrain has LESS holding power than any other
way of fastening.
Howerver, depending on WHAT the load and stresses are, it may be
satisfactory, especially if used with glue
John
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:52:44 GMT, Hank Kingwood
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
>carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
>grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
>tackle joinery with that approach.
>
>Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is bad?
>
>Thanks,
>Hank
Don't know about nails but srews all the time,
Never a problem and the right screw into end grain in very strong
Why would it be bad ?????
"Hank Kingwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
> carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
> grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
> tackle joinery with that approach.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is
bad?
>
> Thanks,
> Hank
>
it depends on the application. a fastener in end grail will have less
pull out resistance. if the fastener will load in shear it isn't a
problem. if the fastener is a screw adequate pull out resistance can
often be achieved with a longer screw.
Bridger
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:52:44 GMT, Hank Kingwood
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On a number of low budget "Home Shows" like "Trading Spaces" the
>carpenter/woodworker seems to like putting screws or nails into end
>grain. I always thought that people who don't know what they are doing
>tackle joinery with that approach.
>
>Can anyone confirm or deny that putting screws/nails into end grain is bad?
>
>Thanks,
>Hank