Dave, sigh......
John, I have 4 link belts on various machines for the past year or so. None
have changed length that I can measure.
Rick
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> sigh... I forgot you are a mind reader too! :)
>
> dave
I can run may table saw 20 minutes before the belt even starts to warm up.
True, it does lessen after a few minutes. It's still very convenient to be
able to start and cut.
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You are correct, I have the bad habit of thinking everyone live here in
> So.Cal. Would not just running your machine for a few minutes to warm-up
> the belt serve the same purpose?
> Dave
>
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > VS. belts hold shape when not used often enough or the belt is cold.
> Hence,
> > vibration in the blade\machine. A Link-Belt ends that vibration.
> >
> >
> > "TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
> understand
> > > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
> expectancy
> > to
> > > operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
> measurably.
> > > Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine
industries
> > can
> > > rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
> saw.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> > > > I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago.
I've
> > > > noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
> > thick
> > > > stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring
the
> > > > removal of some links periodically?
> > > >
> > > >
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John Graser asks:
>
>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting thick
>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
>removal of some links periodically?
That stretchiness is what makes them so smooth. I''d pull a link or 2 to see if
that helps, if you've checked your blade for suitability and sharpness.
Charlie Self
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sigh... I forgot you are a mind reader too! :)
dave
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>so, couldn't he conclude that by looking at his belt? If it was
>>stretched, he could safely conclude that link belts stretch over
>>time...sigh.
>>
>
> No, he could conclude that *his* link belt had stretched over time. I believe
> he wanted to know if that is typical behavior for *all* link belts, or if it's
> peculiar to his.
>
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Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite understand
this fascination of using an product that was originally
designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life expectancy to
operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch measurably.
Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries can
rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator saw.
Dave
"John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting thick
> stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> removal of some links periodically?
>
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You are correct, I have the bad habit of thinking everyone live here in
So.Cal. Would not just running your machine for a few minutes to warm-up
the belt serve the same purpose?
Dave
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> VS. belts hold shape when not used often enough or the belt is cold.
Hence,
> vibration in the blade\machine. A Link-Belt ends that vibration.
>
>
> "TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
understand
> > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
expectancy
> to
> > operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
measurably.
> > Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
> can
> > rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
saw.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> > > I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> > > noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
> thick
> > > stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> > > removal of some links periodically?
> > >
> > >
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Michael, If your belt flaps, fix that!
I don't really want to start a circular debate on this. If you and others
are happy - that's fine with me. I'll stick with quality parts.
Dave
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> TeamCasa wrote:
>
> > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
understand
> > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
expectancy
>
> Try it and find out. Life expectancy isn't really a critical issue when
> it's so easy to put a new one on, and they really *do* dampen vibration
> significantly.
>
> Most of my tools have direct drive universal motors still, but one
exception
> to the rule is my horizontal bandsaw. It used to have so much vibration
> that the belt cover would flop around like a fish out of water. After
> installing a link belt, it barely flutters. It didn't eliminate all of
the
> vibration, but it definitely made a marked difference.
>
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John, I never said serpentine belts were inferiour to V-belts. On the
contrary, I prefer serpentines to any other type.
OTOH, I feel your pain on the aftermarket/port installed A/Cs. I have had
to repair hundreds.
Dave
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> having spent 40 some odd years busting my knuckles on mainly europeon,
> plus a few jap & domestic autos for a living, plus having to endure
> the fiasco of dealer/port installed airconditioning, plus the fiasco
> York 2 cylinder a/c compressors installed on Piper aircraft has taught
> me a few things beltwise. One of the main issues with V belts is the
> lack of control of the placement of the plies in the cross section of
> the belt. Look at a premium automotive belt & you can see as the belt
> passes through the pulley, the reinforcing ply (s) wander all over the
> place. The rubber body wears at a different rate than the ply material
> & lo & behold the width start to vary & things start to shake. The
> serp belts are a huge improvement & a a plus it doesen't have to ride
> up & down in the groove as does a V belt. The link belt links are all
> ply material (fabric) & allows for easy replication (each link) in the
> manufacturing process so chance of defect, uneven wear is reduced.
> Also the link assembly flexes much better especially around a small
> pulley.
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My only complaint about the craftsman is a weak splitter\guard. It was
bought for me last year so I can't complain much. It cuts wood. So it does
it's job.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> can I get back to you on that, Bill??
>
> Hey, I picked up some Craftsman chisels and they seem fine. Took
> forever to get the backs flat and shiny but they seem to hold an edge
> much better than the Marples I had purchased at HD last month (and
> returned).
>
> dave
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > Send me your Powermatic, I'll send you my Craftsman.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>good point. My Powermatic band saw uses a serpentine style belt like
> >>cars made in the past decade and a half. Beats a link belt or a V-belt!
> >> Quiet, smooth power transfer and doesn't stretch as much as V or link.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>TeamCasa wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
> >
> > understand
> >
> >>>this fascination of using an product that was originally
> >>>designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
> >
> > expectancy to
> >
> >>>operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
> >
> > measurably.
> >
> >>>Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine
industries
> >
> > can
> >
> >>>rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
> >
> > saw.
> >
> >>>Dave
> >>>
> >>>"John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> >>>>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
> >
> > thick
> >
> >>>>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> >>>>removal of some links periodically?
> >>>>
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John Graser wrote...
> Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> removal of some links periodically?
They do stretch for the first few hours of use. BTW, so do regular v-
belts, at least the good ones. After twenty to twenty-five hours of use
under load, they should be re-tensioned (and possibly have a link
removed). At hobby-duty levels it can take awhile to put 25 hours on a
machine.
Jim
why don't you bend down by your saw and take a look at the belt??
dave
John Graser wrote:
> I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting thick
> stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> removal of some links periodically?
>
>
Auto spell changed my "V" to a "VS"
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> VS. belts hold shape when not used often enough or the belt is cold.
Hence,
> vibration in the blade\machine. A Link-Belt ends that vibration.
>
>
> "TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
understand
> > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
expectancy
> to
> > operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
measurably.
> > Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
> can
> > rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
saw.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> > > I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> > > noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
> thick
> > > stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> > > removal of some links periodically?
> > >
> > >
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clue me in. I thought the op was asking us if his belt is loose. Harder
to tell from San Jose, than for the operator to make the small amount of
effort to LOOK at the silly thing himself!
dave
Jim Wilson wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>
>>why don't you bend down by your saw and take a look at the belt??
>
>
> Dave, you missed the point.
>
> Jim
so, couldn't he conclude that by looking at his belt? If it was
stretched, he could safely conclude that link belts stretch over
time...sigh.
dave
Jim Wilson wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote...
>
>>clue me in. I thought the op was asking us if his belt is loose.
>
>
> No, he was asking if it was normal for link belts to stretch over time.
>
> Jim
good point. My Powermatic band saw uses a serpentine style belt like
cars made in the past decade and a half. Beats a link belt or a V-belt!
Quiet, smooth power transfer and doesn't stretch as much as V or link.
dave
TeamCasa wrote:
> Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite understand
> this fascination of using an product that was originally
> designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life expectancy to
> operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch measurably.
> Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries can
> rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator saw.
>
> Dave
>
> "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
>
>>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
>>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting thick
>>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
>>removal of some links periodically?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>so, couldn't he conclude that by looking at his belt? If it was
>stretched, he could safely conclude that link belts stretch over
>time...sigh.
>
No, he could conclude that *his* link belt had stretched over time. I believe
he wanted to know if that is typical behavior for *all* link belts, or if it's
peculiar to his.
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Well, thank you Dave! I thought it was just me, but I took a serpentine belt
off my saw to put a link belt on. Had to, obviously, change pulleys too. I
think it, the link belt, made the saw run louder and rougher. I'm going to
pull it off tomorrow and put my old belt back on.
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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> good point. My Powermatic band saw uses a serpentine style belt like
> cars made in the past decade and a half. Beats a link belt or a V-belt!
> Quiet, smooth power transfer and doesn't stretch as much as V or link.
>
> dave
>
> TeamCasa wrote:
>
> > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
understand
> > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
expectancy to
> > operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
measurably.
> > Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
can
> > rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
saw.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> >
> >>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> >>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
thick
> >>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> >>removal of some links periodically?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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having spent 40 some odd years busting my knuckles on mainly europeon,
plus a few jap & domestic autos for a living, plus having to endure
the fiasco of dealer/port installed airconditioning, plus the fiasco
York 2 cylinder a/c compressors installed on Piper aircraft has taught
me a few things beltwise. One of the main issues with V belts is the
lack of control of the placement of the plies in the cross section of
the belt. Look at a premium automotive belt & you can see as the belt
passes through the pulley, the reinforcing ply (s) wander all over the
place. The rubber body wears at a different rate than the ply material
& lo & behold the width start to vary & things start to shake. The
serp belts are a huge improvement & a a plus it doesen't have to ride
up & down in the groove as does a V belt. The link belt links are all
ply material (fabric) & allows for easy replication (each link) in the
manufacturing process so chance of defect, uneven wear is reduced.
Also the link assembly flexes much better especially around a small
pulley.
TeamCasa wrote:
> Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite understand
> this fascination of using an product that was originally
> designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life expectancy
Try it and find out. Life expectancy isn't really a critical issue when
it's so easy to put a new one on, and they really *do* dampen vibration
significantly.
Most of my tools have direct drive universal motors still, but one exception
to the rule is my horizontal bandsaw. It used to have so much vibration
that the belt cover would flop around like a fish out of water. After
installing a link belt, it barely flutters. It didn't eliminate all of the
vibration, but it definitely made a marked difference.
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can I get back to you on that, Bill??
Hey, I picked up some Craftsman chisels and they seem fine. Took
forever to get the backs flat and shiny but they seem to hold an edge
much better than the Marples I had purchased at HD last month (and
returned).
dave
Bill wrote:
> Send me your Powermatic, I'll send you my Craftsman.
>
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>good point. My Powermatic band saw uses a serpentine style belt like
>>cars made in the past decade and a half. Beats a link belt or a V-belt!
>> Quiet, smooth power transfer and doesn't stretch as much as V or link.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>TeamCasa wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
>
> understand
>
>>>this fascination of using an product that was originally
>>>designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
>
> expectancy to
>
>>>operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
>
> measurably.
>
>>>Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
>
> can
>
>>>rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
>
> saw.
>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>"John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
>>>>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
>
> thick
>
>>>>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
>>>>removal of some links periodically?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Send me your Powermatic, I'll send you my Craftsman.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> good point. My Powermatic band saw uses a serpentine style belt like
> cars made in the past decade and a half. Beats a link belt or a V-belt!
> Quiet, smooth power transfer and doesn't stretch as much as V or link.
>
> dave
>
> TeamCasa wrote:
>
> > Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite
understand
> > this fascination of using an product that was originally
> > designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life
expectancy to
> > operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch
measurably.
> > Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
can
> > rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator
saw.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> >
> >>I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> >>noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
thick
> >>stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> >>removal of some links periodically?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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VS. belts hold shape when not used often enough or the belt is cold. Hence,
vibration in the blade\machine. A Link-Belt ends that vibration.
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Why don't you just put on a good quality V-belt. I don't quite understand
> this fascination of using an product that was originally
> designed to be used as an emergency fan belt with limited life expectancy
to
> operate machinery. As an aside, quality belts do not stretch measurably.
> Sorry John. If the automotive and most other serious machine industries
can
> rely on them I think the would be the best choice for your contrator saw.
>
> Dave
>
> "John Graser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0hrZb.24013$4o.42531@attbi_s52...
> > I put a link belt on my Delta Contractor's saw about a year ago. I've
> > noticed that the saw now tends to bog down more easily when cutting
thick
> > stock than it used to. Do link belts stretch over time, requiring the
> > removal of some links periodically?
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Jerry, my serp belt-run band saw is incredibly smooth running. I wish
that Powermatic had outfitted the 54a planer with the same style belt.
dave
Jerry Gilreath wrote:
> Well, thank you Dave! I thought it was just me, but I took a serpentine belt
> off my saw to put a link belt on. Had to, obviously, change pulleys too. I
> think it, the link belt, made the saw run louder and rougher. I'm going to
> pull it off tomorrow and put my old belt back on.
>