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24/05/2004 3:25 PM

sunproof polyurethane?

Hi,

The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?

Thanks


This topic has 6 replies

SI

"Slowhand"

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

25/05/2004 9:50 AM

Try Hydrocote Exterior. It's a water based poly. Excellent stuff.
Highland hardware carries it. I've had it on for about 2 years on some fir
exterior doors and they still look like the day it was put on. Until now,
it was my best kept secret.
SH

"topdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
> over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
> better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
>
> Thanks

dd

"ddinc"

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

24/05/2004 8:14 PM

I have used Bristol Finish on a dark southern door with good results.\

"topdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
> over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
> better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
>
> Thanks

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

25/05/2004 12:42 PM


"topdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
> over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
> better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
>
> Thanks

Even the best varnishes need to be "redone" every 2 or 3 years. Can you
shade the door from direct sunlight in any way? Maybe an awning?

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

25/05/2004 8:53 AM

I should add that if you have been doing it every year part of the problem
may be insufficient surface preparation prior to adding a new coat.

Putting a finish over a failing finish with out good preparation can weaken
the new coat's ability to adhere. It will only be as good as the grip the
coat underneath it has on the wood.

Further varnish doesn't stick well to already cured varnish. Some sanding of
the whole surface has to be done to provide some tooth to the under coat so
a good mechanical bond can be made.

Just some further thoughts

--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Mike G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> A different brand of spar/marine varnish may last longer but, given enough
> time and/or exposure, UV is going to break down anything you put on.
>
> --
> Mike G.
> [email protected]
> Heirloom Woods
> www.heirloom-woods.net
> "topdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
> > over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
> > better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

PP

Philip Procter

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

04/06/2004 1:41 AM

Sorry, polyurethane (the chemical) is broken down by UV. It's a one
way decomposition. The manufacturer can add chemicals to the urethane
to delay the decomposition, but they won't stop it. The UV inhibitors
work by sacrificially absorbing the UV. Once all the inhibitor has
been broken down, the UV will start to work on the polymer.

Recoating works by laying down a new layer of inhibitor. You
definitely need to sand before recoating, both to give the old varnish
some scratches for physical bonding and to remove the surface oxidized
polymer.

If you want a true outdoor finish, use marine spar varnish without
polyurethane. It'll yellow (heck, it starts reddish!) like crazy and
will still need recoating, but it should last longer than any PU.
So-called outdoor polyurethanes are not good. Most, if not all, water
based PU are actually emulsions of polymer in water. The solvent is
different but the polymer is essentially the same. If it's PU, it's UV
sensitive!

Philip

On 24 May 2004 15:25:57 -0700, [email protected] (topdog) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
>over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
>better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
>
>Thanks

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to [email protected] (topdog) on 24/05/2004 3:25 PM

24/05/2004 7:25 PM

A different brand of spar/marine varnish may last longer but, given enough
time and/or exposure, UV is going to break down anything you put on.

--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"topdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> The front door of my house has valspar polyurethane with UV protectant
> over stain and every year the sun flakes it off. Is there something
> better so I don't have to waste all this time dinking with it?
>
> Thanks


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