Hello all,
Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin
to tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked
its buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have
trouble feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or
narrow stock, dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I
always keep the table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then
pulling, each board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where
each board would have to be almost entirely hand fed.
We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of
feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
itself over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of
this disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the
machine is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought
the feed rolls I really want to keep the planer.
Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
Mark
I had one from the mid '90s, had a similar problem, and as I recall I
took it all apart and cleaned it, which you likely did already, and
then did the cutter head adjustment thing with the wooden jig they tell
you how to make in the instruction manual. The heads were too low
vis-a-vis the feed rollers. Worked for me. Good luck.
Mutt
Mark wrote:
> Hello all,
> Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even
begin
> to tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has
worked
> its buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have
> trouble feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or
> narrow stock, dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid.
I
> always keep the table waxed up but it would still require shoving,
then
> pulling, each board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where
> each board would have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
> They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
> thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
> feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set
of
> feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
> Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
> Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
>
> What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I
was
> thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
> itself over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of
> this disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that
the
> machine is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have
bought
> the feed rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>
> Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws,
and
> other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> Mark
The 12" delta I had (22-540) would have trouble feeding if the knives were
dull. The feed rollers can't push the material through if the blades aren't
cutting well.
Mark
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all,
> Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin
> to tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked
> its buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have
> trouble feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or
> narrow stock, dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I
> always keep the table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then
> pulling, each board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where
> each board would have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
> They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
> thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
> feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of
> feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
> Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
> Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
>
> What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
> thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
> itself over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of
> this disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the
> machine is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought
> the feed rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>
> Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
> other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> Mark
>
Mark,
Thanks for the reply. I have changed the knives several times since this
has been an issue. I have tried new Delta knives as well as knives I
have sharpened myself (I think mine are sharper than replacement
knives). It still doesnt seem to help.
Thanks again,
Mark
Mark Jacobs wrote:
> The 12" delta I had (22-540) would have trouble feeding if the knives were
> dull. The feed rollers can't push the material through if the blades aren't
> cutting well.
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hello all,
>>Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin
>>to tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked
>>its buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have
>>trouble feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or
>>narrow stock, dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I
>>always keep the table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then
>>pulling, each board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where
>>each board would have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>>
>>We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
>>They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
>>thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
>>feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of
>>feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
>>Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
>>Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
>>
>>What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
>>thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
>>itself over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of
>>this disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the
>>machine is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought
>>the feed rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>>
>>Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
>>other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
>>Mark
>>
>
>
>
Mark wrote:
>
...
> ... an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic)... began to have
> trouble feeding material through. ...
Probably the knives are worn to be above the pressure bar slightly...
First, sharpen the knives and reset. Then reset the pressure bar to
just above the bottom clearance of the knives...the manual should have
specific dimensions. If you don't have it, call the Delta technical
support 800 number and they'll send a xerox copy. If you're lucky you
may even be able to talk to a tech who'll tell you what you want to know
directly although that's less common than it used to be...
Don't know the 12" models, have (probably even older) Model 13...
George wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > ...
> > > ... an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic)... began to have
> > > trouble feeding material through. ...
> >
> > Probably the knives are worn to be above the pressure bar slightly...
> >
> >
> > Don't know the 12" models, have (probably even older) Model 13...
>
> Sounds like you have iron, not a lunchbox type. They don't have the
> chipbreaker/pressure bar setup like the iron ones.
OK, his description fooled me...I thought perhaps there was a 12" model
made similarly before the portables...ah, well...
And, yes, the Model 13 is iron (a lot of it)...weighs about 400 lb, I
think...
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
> They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
> thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
> feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of
> feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
> Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
> Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
http://www.acetoolrepair.com/model_search_engine.asp?keyword=22-540 shows
compression springs (part 69) to register the rollers. How about adding a
washer to each to get a bit more pressure?
If it works, get new springs.
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark wrote:
> >
> ...
> > ... an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic)... began to have
> > trouble feeding material through. ...
>
> Probably the knives are worn to be above the pressure bar slightly...
>
>
> Don't know the 12" models, have (probably even older) Model 13...
Sounds like you have iron, not a lunchbox type. They don't have the
chipbreaker/pressure bar setup like the iron ones.
Matt,
Good pickup, The planer has no bed rolls, work slides on the bottom
side. I have not physically looked to see if the feed rolls are stalling
however I am 90% positive they are as when the planer stalls on a finish
pass I can see a "skid" on the board where the roll spun and burnished
it. I will however run a piece and make sure. I thought of this same
thing upon re-reading my post.
Thanks,
Mark
Matthew wrote:
> Is this a planer with bed rolls as well as feed rolls? The bed rolls need
> to be set slightly higher than the bed of the planer; if not, the work
> slides on the bed as opposed to rolling on the bed rollers.
>
> How are the feed rolls driven? Can you see if they are slipping (but still
> turning) or do they stop turning when the work stops?
>
> Matthew
>
> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hello all,
>>Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin to
>>tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked its
>>buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have trouble
>>feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or narrow stock,
>>dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I always keep the
>>table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then pulling, each
>>board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where each board would
>>have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>>
>>We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc. They
>>never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands of
>>feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
>>be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of feed rolls
>>($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior. Infact, the other
>>day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD Spruce framing) and it
>>wouldnt even pull them through.
>>
>>What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
>>thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for itself
>>over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of this
>>disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the machine
>>is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought the feed
>>rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>>
>>Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
>>other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
>>Mark
>>
>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> >
> > We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc. They
> > never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands of
> > feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
> > be shot/dried out/something?
>
> How can an all steel no plastic planer have dried out feed rollers????
> Perhaps the rollers are not steel???
> Rubber rollers? Cold weather? Rubber rollers get hard in cold weather and
> will not feed properly. See if blowing them with a heated hair dryer helps.
>
>
>
Maybe he's talking about the bearings in the rollers being dried out...
Are there adjustments to set the tension on the feed rollers? There might
be setscrews and/or springs pushing down on their shafts. Anything that
kept them from going down far/hard enough could cause the problem. I expect
you saw all this when you put in the new rollers.
Is it possible the cutterhead has somehow drifted lower, so it bites before
there is enough pressure on the feeders?
Obviously there's no chance the rollers could be in backwards?
Wilson
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Matt,
> Good pickup, The planer has no bed rolls, work slides on the bottom
> side. I have not physically looked to see if the feed rolls are stalling
> however I am 90% positive they are as when the planer stalls on a finish
> pass I can see a "skid" on the board where the roll spun and burnished
> it. I will however run a piece and make sure. I thought of this same
> thing upon re-reading my post.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Matthew wrote:
>
> > Is this a planer with bed rolls as well as feed rolls? The bed rolls
need
> > to be set slightly higher than the bed of the planer; if not, the work
> > slides on the bed as opposed to rolling on the bed rollers.
> >
> > How are the feed rolls driven? Can you see if they are slipping (but
still
> > turning) or do they stop turning when the work stops?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin
to
> >>tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked
its
> >>buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have trouble
> >>feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or narrow stock,
> >>dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I always keep
the
> >>table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then pulling, each
> >>board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where each board would
> >>have to be almost entirely hand fed.
> >>
> >>We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
They
> >>never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands
of
> >>feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
> >>be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of feed rolls
> >>($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior. Infact, the
other
> >>day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD Spruce framing) and
it
> >>wouldnt even pull them through.
> >>
> >>What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
> >>thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
itself
> >>over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of this
> >>disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the
machine
> >>is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought the feed
> >>rolls I really want to keep the planer.
> >>
> >>Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
> >>other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> >>Mark
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Mark wrote:
> Hello all,
> What turns the feed rollers? is a belt slipping or a gear that is worn away and not bitting right? cleaning the rollers
might not help if what ever makes them turn is slipping. Good luck
Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin
> to tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked
> its buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have
> trouble feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or
> narrow stock, dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I
> always keep the table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then
> pulling, each board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where
> each board would have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc.
> They never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the
> thousands of feet that have probably gone through the planer that the
> feed rolls must be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of
> feed rolls ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior.
> Infact, the other day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD
> Spruce framing) and it wouldnt even pull them through.
>
> What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
> thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for
> itself over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of
> this disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the
> machine is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought
> the feed rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>
> Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
> other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> Mark
>
Hey, I have a delta 22-101 13" that did'nt feed I took the pressure bar out
and cleaned it good and filed any knicks and dings and buffed and waxed it.
I also replaced the pads which are a neoprene spring on my unit. They were
hardened from age this is a 1969 model. I bought them from Reidtool.com. I
dont remember if Delta didnt have them or I didnt like the price. I used the
Delta owners manual to make all the adjustments. Taunton press' book Power
Saws and Planers has a good article on this subject. You might also check
your table rollers ellevation I set mine at .007" as I do a lot of rough
sawn lumber. Good luck hope this helps.
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all,
> Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin to
> tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked its
> buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have trouble
> feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or narrow stock,
> dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I always keep the
> table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then pulling, each
> board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where each board would
> have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc. They
> never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands of
> feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
> be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of feed rolls
> ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior. Infact, the other
> day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD Spruce framing) and it
> wouldnt even pull them through.
>
> What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
> thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for itself
> over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of this
> disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the machine
> is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought the feed
> rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>
> Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
> other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> Mark
>
Is this a planer with bed rolls as well as feed rolls? The bed rolls need
to be set slightly higher than the bed of the planer; if not, the work
slides on the bed as opposed to rolling on the bed rollers.
How are the feed rolls driven? Can you see if they are slipping (but still
turning) or do they stop turning when the work stops?
Matthew
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all,
> Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin to
> tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked its
> buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have trouble
> feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or narrow stock,
> dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I always keep the
> table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then pulling, each
> board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where each board would
> have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc. They
> never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands of
> feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
> be shot/dried out/something? So I ordered a new set of feed rolls
> ($110.00US). Installed them, exactly the same behavior. Infact, the other
> day I tried to plane some 1' long pieces of 2x6 (KD Spruce framing) and it
> wouldnt even pull them through.
>
> What gives? Any input appreciated. Prior to buying the feed rolls I was
> thinking of just buying a new planer thinking this one had paid for itself
> over and over however I am always resisting becoming a part of this
> disposable american society, plus I really like the fact that the machine
> is solid metal rather than 80% plastic. Now that I have bought the feed
> rolls I really want to keep the planer.
>
> Thanks, from the guy who has changed the switch in his skill saws, and
> other tools, several times rather than buying new ones,
> Mark
>
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all,
> Have an old delta 12" planer (all steel no plastic). Couldnt even begin to
> tally how much lumber has been run throught his planer, it has worked its
> buns off. Anyway, several months ago the planer began to have trouble
> feeding material through. This could be 8/4, 4/4, wide, or narrow stock,
> dry or green. The feed rolls were seeming to just skid. I always keep the
> table waxed up but it would still require shoving, then pulling, each
> board through. This has gotten worse and worse to where each board would
> have to be almost entirely hand fed.
>
> We tried cleaning the feed rolls several times, thin-x, acetone, etc. They
> never seemed that dirty/gummed up. Finally I figured with the thousands of
> feet that have probably gone through the planer that the feed rolls must
> be shot/dried out/something?
How can an all steel no plastic planer have dried out feed rollers????
Perhaps the rollers are not steel???
Rubber rollers? Cold weather? Rubber rollers get hard in cold weather and
will not feed properly. See if blowing them with a heated hair dryer helps.