As the owner of a G0555, I don't blame him for going with the Delta and wish
I would have. The Griz works, but not as well as the Griz G1019 I had
before. I don't care for the roller bearnings and it just doesn't have a
solid feeling. I use a bandsaw for quite a few things and wish I wouldn't
have gone with the Griz on this one. That is not to say that I don't like
Grizzly, I also have a G1023SL cabinet saw and a 6" jointer G1182Z and like
them fine. In fact, I would put the jointer up against any other brand, but
wish I would have spent a little more and got a Delta TS and BS.
Don
B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:26:18 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
>
> >In rec.woodworking
> >B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
> >>genuine Delta mobile base.
> >
> >So when we cut to the chase, you paid more than twice as much for a saw
> >that does the exact same thing? ie same cut capacity, same HP. Does
that
> >sum it up?
>
> Yup! I would do it again in a heartbeat.
>
> Barry
I basically agree but not when it comes to the jointer. My 1182Z and the
1182 I had before were both the equal in quality as far as I'm concerned to
the old 8" Delta that a friend bought. (Outside of the capacity of course).
The only other advantage to the 8" is the length of bed, but then I can get
that by going with an 8" Griz.
Don
B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:10:34 GMT, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Unlike most people, I
> >actually cut wood on every brand I considered.
>
> As have I.
>
> In some cases, this has removed Grizzly from consideration. If I
> can't touch one, I won't buy one.
>
> In every case where Grizzly was considered in a major power tool
> decision for me, they compared fine with similar Chiwanese stuff that
> sold for 5-10% more locally. For instance, the G0555 and imported
> Delta 14" saws, or your typical 6" $400-500 jointers.
>
> I have yet to see a Grizzly tool that was the equal of anything
> costing twice it's price, but why should it?
>
> Barry
In rec.woodworking
B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
>genuine Delta mobile base.
So when we cut to the chase, you paid more than twice as much for a saw
that does the exact same thing? ie same cut capacity, same HP. Does that
sum it up?
In rec.woodworking
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:26:18 GMT, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In rec.woodworking
>> B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
>>>genuine Delta mobile base.
>>
>> So when we cut to the chase, you paid more than twice as much for a saw
>> that does the exact same thing? ie same cut capacity, same HP. Does that
>> sum it up?
>
>If that's the only thing you measure tools by, it seems he did. There
>may be other factors differentiating the two that he feels are important
>that you may not.
I measure tools by their ability to perform the function for which they
were designed. Is there another way?
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:26:18 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
>In rec.woodworking
>B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
>>genuine Delta mobile base.
>
>So when we cut to the chase, you paid more than twice as much for a saw
>that does the exact same thing? ie same cut capacity, same HP. Does that
>sum it up?
Yup! I would do it again in a heartbeat.
Barry
The Griz would stack up just fine in answer to your questions...and think
about it, you would have $400 to spend on blades & wood! I seriously
believe that those who put down Griz are the ones who have never used them.
My standard for a 14" bandsaw was : cast iron table, good fit & finish,
reputable brand, easy to adjust (all have their own drawbacks...none are
perfect), stable base, quality guides, and price. Most of the leading
sellers had everthing, but the Griz had the price. Unlike most people, I
actually cut wood on every brand I considered. I'm not putting down the
other brands, but THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN OPERATION. It boils down to"my
Ford is better than your Chevy".
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:46:44 GMT, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In rec.woodworking
> > Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>If that's the only thing you measure tools by, it seems he did. There
> >>may be other factors differentiating the two that he feels are important
> >>that you may not.
> >
> > I measure tools by their ability to perform the function for which they
> > were designed. Is there another way?
>
> Of course. How is the fit & finish of the parts? How easy is it to find
> replacement parts on a saturday when you have to have a (blah)? Are there
> ready-made accessories for your brand, or will you have to adapt them?
> How do the wheels track? Does the band adjustment stay where you put it?
> How easy is it to adjust for different width saw bands? Will you be able
> to get replacement parts in 20 years? Will it _last_ 20 years? Are there
> bearings, bushings, or just holes for the shafts? Etc, etc, etc. To
> imply that horsepower and throat distance are the only factors in deciding
> if two bandsaws are equal, well... cheap tools are their own punishment.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
nope
"fsteddie" <epearlatprexardotcom> wrote in message
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> any thoughts re. the grizzly 14" ultimate bandsaw
>
>
Buy 2 and give me 1.
:-)
"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> nope
>
>
> "fsteddie" <epearlatprexardotcom> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > any thoughts re. the grizzly 14" ultimate bandsaw
> >
> >
>
>
On Fri 23 Apr 2004 06:28:45p, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]> wrote
in news:[email protected]:
> c'mon, Jonny, give fsteddie a break. If he's new, he doesn't know how
> often it's been posted! If you see the griz bandsaw in the original
> message, and it bothers you that much, just don't read it. We need to
> welcome the newbies, not send them to Google. Besides, there might be
> someone out there that has a new opinion on a much-discussed topic.
Well, no doubt there's always going to be somebody who's got another
opinion, but what's wrong with pointing out a way to easily get a whole
bunch of opinions? Seems like the right thing to do is point the newbies at
the tools, so they'll know they're there. And google's good tool. :-)
Dan
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:28:45 GMT, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>c'mon, Jonny, give fsteddie a break. If he's new, he doesn't know how often
>it's been posted! If you see the griz bandsaw in the original message, and
>it bothers you that much, just don't read it. We need to welcome the
>newbies, not send them to Google.
A counterpoint for you:
Many experienced people stop responding to FAQs, so the OP is missing
out on a lot of good info by not also checking Google. I vote for
Googling, and posting requests for more specific questions. I can't
count how many times I've done this and gotten much more usable data,
so I can formulate BETTER questions, as opposed to asking "Is the XYZ
Fruraffer any good?"
One can only participate in the same thread so many times. <G>
To the OP:
My investigation of the G0555, when I needed a band saw, led me to
realize that it's not all that different than any other $400-500
Chiwanese saw. Some people have excellent luck with Grizzly's
delivery, others wait and wait while replacements for missing or
transit damaged parts are sent. The G0555 I looked at compared
favorably to the Ridgid, imported Delta, Rikon, and Jet. If you
don't have a dependable local dealer, you'll probably do fine with the
Grizzly.
I don't necessarily agree with Grizzly's "Cut out the middleman" claim
based on the number and placement of Grizzly ads I see. Tools need to
be shipped to a local dealer, who then usually provides post-sale
support, pays local taxes, local employees, for floor space, etc...
From what I know about retail, apples to apples comparisons say
Grizzly tools should actually be cheaper than they are, if they were
truly wholesaling them. Direct comparisons to dealer prices often
have the G0555 beating truly comparable tools by only $30-40, but the
buyer gives up local post-sale support and the money completely leaves
his community.
I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
genuine Delta mobile base.
My original plan was to seek a used American made Delta, but the $800
+ free base, including the honestly rated 1 1/2 HP motor and blade
quick release made the X5 a value that worked for me. I preferred
the X5's fit, finish, and feel in actual use, enough to spend the
extra money. Delta forgot to put the top plate of my base in the
box, so it took almost 4 weeks to get my saw up and running.
Barry
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:26:18 GMT, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
> In rec.woodworking
> B a r r y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I ended up buying a Delta X5 for $800 on sale, including a free
>>genuine Delta mobile base.
>
> So when we cut to the chase, you paid more than twice as much for a saw
> that does the exact same thing? ie same cut capacity, same HP. Does that
> sum it up?
If that's the only thing you measure tools by, it seems he did. There
may be other factors differentiating the two that he feels are important
that you may not.
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:46:44 GMT, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
> In rec.woodworking
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>If that's the only thing you measure tools by, it seems he did. There
>>may be other factors differentiating the two that he feels are important
>>that you may not.
>
> I measure tools by their ability to perform the function for which they
> were designed. Is there another way?
Of course. How is the fit & finish of the parts? How easy is it to find
replacement parts on a saturday when you have to have a (blah)? Are there
ready-made accessories for your brand, or will you have to adapt them?
How do the wheels track? Does the band adjustment stay where you put it?
How easy is it to adjust for different width saw bands? Will you be able
to get replacement parts in 20 years? Will it _last_ 20 years? Are there
bearings, bushings, or just holes for the shafts? Etc, etc, etc. To
imply that horsepower and throat distance are the only factors in deciding
if two bandsaws are equal, well... cheap tools are their own punishment.
Dave Hinz
c'mon, Jonny, give fsteddie a break. If he's new, he doesn't know how often
it's been posted! If you see the griz bandsaw in the original message, and
it bothers you that much, just don't read it. We need to welcome the
newbies, not send them to Google. Besides, there might be someone out there
that has a new opinion on a much-discussed topic. Anyway, fsteddie, I have
that saw (for a year now), and have had ZERO problems with it. If you
aren't a high-production furniture shop, this thing will last you a very
long time, once you replace the factory blade. I don't see many corners
that they cut in production, and it does pretty precise work. Of course,
you will personalize the jigs, DC, etc, but it's ready to cut out of the
box, and at a great price, even when you consider the shipping.
"Jonny Durango" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> that's been discussed a million times here....do a google news search
>
> --
>
> Jonny Durango
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/ratcitymusic.htm
>
> "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of
the
> country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag
> the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
> parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
> always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have
> to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
> lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
> -- Herman Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall, at the Nuremberg trials after
> WWII.
>
>
>
> "fsteddie" <epearlatprexardotcom> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > any thoughts re. the grizzly 14" ultimate bandsaw
> >
> >
>
>
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:10:34 GMT, "Steven Bliss" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Unlike most people, I
>actually cut wood on every brand I considered.
As have I.
In some cases, this has removed Grizzly from consideration. If I
can't touch one, I won't buy one.
In every case where Grizzly was considered in a major power tool
decision for me, they compared fine with similar Chiwanese stuff that
sold for 5-10% more locally. For instance, the G0555 and imported
Delta 14" saws, or your typical 6" $400-500 jointers.
I have yet to see a Grizzly tool that was the equal of anything
costing twice it's price, but why should it?
Barry
that's been discussed a million times here....do a google news search
--
Jonny Durango
http://www.soundclick.com/ratcitymusic.htm
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the
country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag
the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a
parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall, at the Nuremberg trials after
WWII.
"fsteddie" <epearlatprexardotcom> wrote in message
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> any thoughts re. the grizzly 14" ultimate bandsaw
>
>