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"todd"

31/12/2003 12:09 AM

Variable-speed routers

I'm taking a woodworking class right now in Chicago. I'd classify myself as
an intermediate-level woodworker, but am taking this class mostly to learn
something about hand tools. While everything we have done to this point has
been with mallet, chisel, and saw, we discuss other aspects of woodworking,
including power tools. The instructor (a gentleman with an extensive
woodworking background starting as a German apprentice 30 or more years ago)
commented on his dislike for variable-speed routers. His opinion is that
because the variable-speed works by reducing the voltage to the motor, that
frequent running of the router at a speed other than the full speed has the
long-term effect of damaging the motor, at least with the class of router
they have, which is a P-C probably not dissimilar to my 8529. I'd like to
know what informed wreck'ers think of that.

todd


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"todd"

in reply to "todd" on 31/12/2003 12:09 AM

01/01/2004 1:34 PM


"Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> todd wrote:
> > I'm taking a woodworking class right now in Chicago. I'd classify
myself as
> > an intermediate-level woodworker, but am taking this class mostly to
learn
> > something about hand tools. While everything we have done to this point
has
> > been with mallet, chisel, and saw, we discuss other aspects of
woodworking,
> > including power tools. The instructor (a gentleman with an extensive
> > woodworking background starting as a German apprentice 30 or more years
ago)
> > commented on his dislike for variable-speed routers. His opinion is
that
> > because the variable-speed works by reducing the voltage to the motor,
that
> > frequent running of the router at a speed other than the full speed has
the
> > long-term effect of damaging the motor, at least with the class of
router
> > they have, which is a P-C probably not dissimilar to my 8529. I'd like
to
> > know what informed wreck'ers think of that.
> >
> > todd
> >
> >
> Why not ask the various manufacturers? They are the ones that would
> have to handle warranty work.
>
> Several of my routers have built-in speed controls. So far, none of
> them has had any problems.

In fact, I have done so with Porter-Cable. I'm awaiting a response.

todd

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Richards

in reply to "todd" on 31/12/2003 12:09 AM

01/01/2004 9:44 AM

todd wrote:
> I'm taking a woodworking class right now in Chicago. I'd classify myself as
> an intermediate-level woodworker, but am taking this class mostly to learn
> something about hand tools. While everything we have done to this point has
> been with mallet, chisel, and saw, we discuss other aspects of woodworking,
> including power tools. The instructor (a gentleman with an extensive
> woodworking background starting as a German apprentice 30 or more years ago)
> commented on his dislike for variable-speed routers. His opinion is that
> because the variable-speed works by reducing the voltage to the motor, that
> frequent running of the router at a speed other than the full speed has the
> long-term effect of damaging the motor, at least with the class of router
> they have, which is a P-C probably not dissimilar to my 8529. I'd like to
> know what informed wreck'ers think of that.
>
> todd
>
>
Why not ask the various manufacturers? They are the ones that would
have to handle warranty work.

Several of my routers have built-in speed controls. So far, none of
them has had any problems.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "todd" on 31/12/2003 12:09 AM

31/12/2003 1:35 AM

todd said:

>commented on his dislike for variable-speed routers. His opinion is that
>because the variable-speed works by reducing the voltage to the motor, that
>frequent running of the router at a speed other than the full speed has the
>long-term effect of damaging the motor, at least with the class of router
>they have, which is a P-C probably not dissimilar to my 8529. I'd like to
>know what informed wreck'ers think of that.

The routers I have which are variable speed use PWM to control the
motor speed, not harmful at all, and increases torque at low speeds -
and are designed to operate that way.

The add-on router speed controller boxes, from what I have seen, are
nothing but light dimmers in a box. They could conceivably damage a
motor not designed for their use - especially from the cooling aspect.


Greg G.

DD

DJ Delorie

in reply to "todd" on 31/12/2003 12:09 AM

31/12/2003 10:23 AM


Universal motors are designed to be run at varying voltages (hence,
the "universal"). They can also run on AC or DC. At lower voltages,
they draw less power.

Induction motors (as found in larger power tools, like table saws)
must be run at the right voltage and frequency (AC only) or they can
be damaged. At lower voltages, they draw *more* power.

jJ

[email protected] (JLucas ILS)

in reply to DJ Delorie on 31/12/2003 10:23 AM

31/12/2003 10:20 PM

Bull-dunkie to the professor. Some wide bits need slower speed. A variable
speed router can give you that. AN external speed control is poor to bad
substitute. He is wrong. QED

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"todd"

in reply to DJ Delorie on 31/12/2003 10:23 AM

31/12/2003 5:17 PM

"JLucas ILS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bull-dunkie to the professor. Some wide bits need slower speed. A variable
> speed router can give you that. AN external speed control is poor to bad
> substitute. He is wrong. QED

I'm aware that large bits should be spun slower and that that is the idea of
having a VS router. However, contrary to your "QED", you've said nothing to
indicate why the VS control in an average router is not harmful. Someone
else posted that his router uses PWM (pulse-width modulation from what I can
find out) to vary the speed. If you want to tell me that this, in addition
to universal motors, is what all routers use, you'd go a lot farther to
proving your assertion. Obviously, I'm dubious to his claim myself, or I
wouldn't have posted the question. But if I decide to bring it up with him,
I'd like something more than "He is wrong" from JLucas to back it up.

todd


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