I am most definitely a newbie when it comes to woodworking design of any
type and, as is so often the case with the first implementation of an
original design attempt, there are always elements that you feel (or in my
case, know damn well) would have made a more pleasing and better design.
Besides, it's still amazing to me what the actual use of an item/project can
illuminate when it comes to what you would change or, in the case of someone
else's attempts, where you may stumble upon an off-hand, seemingly
unimportant detail that will come in handy in a future project of your own.
Therefore, and in the event I to were build a particular project again, I
have taken the time to add some remarks - in hindsight and as I notice
them - at the end of each project on my Projects Journal pages ... mainly so
I won't forget them myself.
I mention this simply in the event that some may find a comment of two
helpful with their own design attempts. I've also tried to credit
appropriately those projects that are the results of someone else's design,
and tried to make it easier to find those few plans should someone see
something they want to attempt.
Hopefully someone with a like interest can garner some use out of these, and
future, "hindsight remarks", paltry though they be at present.
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:17:18 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Whenever I try something for the first time, I build it with
>cheap ol' construction lumber (sometimes several iterations)
>before risking "good" wood. I don't recall ever ending with the
>same design I started with...
MDF is also handy for that.
Barry
"James" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> When I remodel my kitchen I am lifting the dishwasher up off the floor.
>
You can't. It will never work. Why? Because we never did it that way!!!!!
How high are you going to lift it? Seems to me about a foot would be good.
Do you plan to have it in a wall type setting like the wall mounted ovens?
My only concern would be the distance to the sink as in our house, it seems
a lot of dishes pass through the sink on the way to the dishwasher as the
disposal is there.
Good to see some different thinking is design though.
Ed
Swingman,
Nice workmanship and website. I have never seen a drawer installed UNDER a
dishwasher before. I'm wondering if this may be a setup for a future
"hindsight" comment. Fortunately dishwasher leaks are rare, but I think a
drawer under is an invitation for a minor disaster.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am most definitely a newbie when it comes to woodworking design of any
> type and, as is so often the case with the first implementation of an
> original design attempt, there are always elements that you feel (or in my
> case, know damn well) would have made a more pleasing and better design.
>
> Besides, it's still amazing to me what the actual use of an item/project
can
> illuminate when it comes to what you would change or, in the case of
someone
> else's attempts, where you may stumble upon an off-hand, seemingly
> unimportant detail that will come in handy in a future project of your
own.
>
> Therefore, and in the event I to were build a particular project again, I
> have taken the time to add some remarks - in hindsight and as I notice
> them - at the end of each project on my Projects Journal pages ... mainly
so
> I won't forget them myself.
>
> I mention this simply in the event that some may find a comment of two
> helpful with their own design attempts. I've also tried to credit
> appropriately those projects that are the results of someone else's
design,
> and tried to make it easier to find those few plans should someone see
> something they want to attempt.
>
> Hopefully someone with a like interest can garner some use out of these,
and
> future, "hindsight remarks", paltry though they be at present.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/13/04
>
>
I think a drawer under the dishwasher is a good idea actually. It could be a
protective option in case of the unlikely event of a dishwasher leak if you
think about it. Waterproof the drawer and stick in some type of moisture
alarm, if only battery operated. Dishwasher leaks, the alarm goes off and
the water is contain to the drawer contents, not damaging any type of
superstructure.
"James" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 3. If you think the dishwasher is going to leak, don't get one. A leak,
> is a leak, is a leak. Doesn't matter where it is.
>
> My $0.02
> > "hindsight" comment. Fortunately dishwasher leaks are rare, but I think
a
> > drawer under is an invitation for a minor disaster.
"Bruce C." wrote in message
> <snip> I have never seen a drawer installed UNDER a
> dishwasher before. I'm wondering if this may be a setup for a future
> "hindsight" comment. Fortunately dishwasher leaks are rare, but I think a
> drawer under is an invitation for a minor disaster.
Now that you mention it (I keep trying to forget it), I just happened to
have had a superfluous abundance of "foresight" on this very issue:
... that Tammy Wynette would be personally singing that "D" song in my ear
if I didn't make it happen.
Now, you understand, I sleep much better at night knowing that SWMBO
promised to personally re-build and re-install the entire cabinet, with
drawer, if the dishwasher should ever leak ... of course those little blue
pills help also.
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When I remodel my kitchen I am lifting the dishwasher up off the floor.
1. You don't have to bend over so far to get the dishes, (bad back)
2. The space between the top of the dishwasher and top cabinets is the
perfect spot to mount the microwave, toaster park, etc.
3. If you think the dishwasher is going to leak, don't get one. A leak,
is a leak, is a leak. Doesn't matter where it is.
My $0.02
James
to reply remove the dashes
Bruce C. wrote:
> Swingman,
>
> Nice workmanship and website. I have never seen a drawer installed UNDER a
> dishwasher before. I'm wondering if this may be a setup for a future
> "hindsight" comment. Fortunately dishwasher leaks are rare, but I think a
> drawer under is an invitation for a minor disaster.
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I am most definitely a newbie when it comes to woodworking design of any
>>type and, as is so often the case with the first implementation of an
>>original design attempt, there are always elements that you feel (or in my
>>case, know damn well) would have made a more pleasing and better design.
>>
>>Besides, it's still amazing to me what the actual use of an item/project
>
> can
>
>>illuminate when it comes to what you would change or, in the case of
>
> someone
>
>>else's attempts, where you may stumble upon an off-hand, seemingly
>>unimportant detail that will come in handy in a future project of your
>
> own.
>
>>Therefore, and in the event I to were build a particular project again, I
>>have taken the time to add some remarks - in hindsight and as I notice
>>them - at the end of each project on my Projects Journal pages ... mainly
>
> so
>
>>I won't forget them myself.
>>
>>I mention this simply in the event that some may find a comment of two
>>helpful with their own design attempts. I've also tried to credit
>>appropriately those projects that are the results of someone else's
>
> design,
>
>>and tried to make it easier to find those few plans should someone see
>>something they want to attempt.
>>
>>Hopefully someone with a like interest can garner some use out of these,
>
> and
>
>>future, "hindsight remarks", paltry though they be at present.
>>
>>--
>>www.e-woodshop.net
>>Last update: 4/13/04
>>
>>
>
>
>
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:12:40 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am most definitely a newbie when it comes to woodworking design of any
>type and, as is so often the case with the first implementation of an
>original design attempt, there are always elements that you feel (or in my
>case, know damn well) would have made a more pleasing and better design.
>
>Besides, it's still amazing to me what the actual use of an item/project can
>illuminate when it comes to what you would change or, in the case of someone
>else's attempts, where you may stumble upon an off-hand, seemingly
>unimportant detail that will come in handy in a future project of your own.
>
>Therefore, and in the event I to were build a particular project again, I
>have taken the time to add some remarks - in hindsight and as I notice
>them - at the end of each project on my Projects Journal pages ... mainly so
>I won't forget them myself.
>
>I mention this simply in the event that some may find a comment of two
>helpful with their own design attempts. I've also tried to credit
>appropriately those projects that are the results of someone else's design,
>and tried to make it easier to find those few plans should someone see
>something they want to attempt.
>
>Hopefully someone with a like interest can garner some use out of these, and
>future, "hindsight remarks", paltry though they be at present.
I like your website, Swing. It's clean and loads fast - has good
stuff and good ideas on it.
Thanks.
(watson - who ain't never done a job yet that he thought was perfect)
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Website: http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
Swingman wrote:
> I am most definitely a newbie when it comes to woodworking
> design of any type and, as is so often the case with the first
> implementation of an original design attempt, there are always
> elements that you feel (or in my case, know damn well) would
> have made a more pleasing and better design.
I don't think you should say that right out loud, in front of
everybody. It'll hurt your credibility. (-:
Whenever I try something for the first time, I build it with
cheap ol' construction lumber (sometimes several iterations)
before risking "good" wood. I don't recall ever ending with the
same design I started with...
> Besides, it's still amazing to me what the actual use of an
> item/project can illuminate when it comes to what you would
> change or, in the case of someone else's attempts, where you
> may stumble upon an off-hand, seemingly unimportant detail
> that will come in handy in a future project of your own.
>
> Therefore, and in the event I to were build a particular
> project again, I have taken the time to add some remarks - in
> hindsight and as I notice them - at the end of each project on
> my Projects Journal pages ... mainly so I won't forget them
> myself.
Really good idea. Reflection never does any harm; and your
hindsight is now my foresight...
> I mention this simply in the event that some may find a
> comment of two helpful with their own design attempts. I've
> also tried to credit appropriately those projects that are the
> results of someone else's design, and tried to make it easier
> to find those few plans should someone see something they want
> to attempt.
When it comes to design I'm a better engineer than artist. Your
web site has been one of what I think of as my "classrooms". I
wouldn't necessarily do everything as you have; but being able to
look at what you've done has given me starting points for
consideration of some other projects of my own.
> Hopefully someone with a like interest can garner some use out
> of these, and future, "hindsight remarks", paltry though they
> be at present.
BS. It's good work. The drawings, pictures, and explanations are
good. The "hindsight remarks" add value to everything that went
before. Thanks!
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
"James" wrote in message
> When I remodel my kitchen I am lifting the dishwasher up off the floor.
>
> 1. You don't have to bend over so far to get the dishes, (bad back)
SWMBO hurt her back waterskiiing, so that was the rationale behind her
insistence that it be done this way.
> 2. The space between the top of the dishwasher and top cabinets is the
> perfect spot to mount the microwave, toaster park, etc.
I still don't care for the idea myself and really didn't want to loose the
countertop space, but putting the dishwasher at the end of the cabinet run
made it a bit easier to accept. If it had been any further from the sink and
drain than it is, I would have balked.
> 3. If you think the dishwasher is going to leak, don't get one. A leak,
> is a leak, is a leak. Doesn't matter where it is.
There are quite a few coats of polyurethane on the cabinet floor, and up the
side, under the dishwasher to minnimize any damage coming from small leaks
that may not get detected right away. Hopefully a major leak is going to be
detected immediately.
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"Bruce C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Swingman,
>
> Nice workmanship and website. I have never seen a drawer installed UNDER a
> dishwasher before. I'm wondering if this may be a setup for a future
> "hindsight" comment. Fortunately dishwasher leaks are rare, but I think a
> drawer under is an invitation for a minor disaster.
>
>
Yabut, when you're too tall to be able to reach the floor anymore, like I
am, it's mighty nice to lift that danged stuff UP where you can reach it!
Anyway, I like it ... <g>