I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
Ed
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
>
I've had the same problem with their woodscrews (thank goodness for
McFeeley's), wound up throwing away the last batch, it just wasn't worth
the hassle. So far, I have had no problems with any of the Borg's nuts
and bolts (1/4" and larger); of course, I haven't tried using that
hardware on heavy duty machinery either.
In article <[email protected]>, Phisherman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You have to be careful what you buy at HD. It's all about profit. I
> found much of their hardware items are overpriced and low quality.
> Their lawn fertilizer selection is usually good.
And their best fertilizer is found in the spiel from the tool manager,
in my experience.
Kevin
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:
> >So the hinges are ok, its the screws that are shitty. Seems like an
> >easy fix to me, buy them seperately & dump the ones that come with the
> >hinges. Good excuse to load up on a selection of decent wood screws<G>.
>
> Sage advice.
>
> This is why I'm an avid McFeely's customer. When I need "brass"
> screws, I use the Yellow Zinc plated steel screws and get the good look
> of brass with the strength of steel. Add in a Vix drill bit, and brass
> hinges are a pleasure to install.
>
McFeely's is great for most stuff, but if you want real brass screws,
with the real look of brass, Jamestown Distributors:
<http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/>
No affiliation, just a satisfied customer
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson
on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
>
Yeh, I drilled and soaped the screws and about half stripped. I wound up
using screws from other packages. When I returned the hinges without the
screw and started to explain, the cashier cut me off. Apparently she had
heard it all before.
"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You have to predrill the holes and take your time and GO SLOWLY. Of course
> having the right size screwdriver helps too. I do not mean this as being
> smart aXX but I just installed about a hundred of those itsy bitsy screws
> and none broke. If I felt one getting a bit tight, I stopped and backed it
> out and drilled the hole a little deeper. Brass looks nice, and most of
> these screws must be made out of aluminum, then plated. I just took my
time
> and they all went in with no problems.. I did run across the occasional
> screw that had "flash" in the phillips slot. I chunked them and got a
> replacement from the BORG...
>
I drilled pilot holes, used the right size screwdriver, soaped the screws
and went slowly. About half stripped out.
And none of them were aluminum. Why on earth would they use brass plated
aluminum! (ignoring the fact that you can't brass plate aluminum)
So the hinges are ok, its the screws that are shitty. Seems like an
easy fix to me, buy them seperately & dump the ones that come with the
hinges. Good excuse to load up on a selection of decent wood screws<G>.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
>
>
Dex & Ed,
Old 'trick' . . . Marine bronze is a bit harder than brass, but still no way
as hard as steel.
Another point to consider . . . your use of 'Brass' is not structural, but
cosmetic. Get a copy of McFeeley's catalog {a 'good read' in itself}. One of
the screw types they offer is a steel screw with a Yellow Zinc finish. This
is NOT the usual 'cheap brass paint' but gives what they call a 'modest'
amount of resistance to corrosion - 100 hours of salt spray to 10 percent
red rust.
I've used some quite long ones to install & frame a new back door {after I
raised it 5 inches due to some backyard flooding !!}. That was a couple of
years ago, and they still look like new.
Should do quite well for 'home bound' projects.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
backyard Boatshop
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've twisted off my share off brass screws.
> > a small "side bar" to one of the projects suggesting that
> > one "pre-tap" the holes using a steel screw before installing the brass
> > ones.
>
>
> That's a good idea.
>
> As a follow up, I just finished screwing the hinges on. Bought screws
from
> the local hardware store. This time I'm 11 1/2 for 12. I did strip one
of
> the heads driving it, but as long as it never has to come out, I'm OK.
None
> broke using the same pilot holes.
> Ed
> [email protected]
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>
Not commercially/economically. You can brass plate your lunch if you wanted
to, but that doesn't mean it can be done reasonably.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kF5Gb.635701$Tr4.1637519@attbi_s03...
> Sure can. I've silver plated it too.
> >
> > And none of them were aluminum. Why on earth would they use brass
plated
> > aluminum! (ignoring the fact that you can't brass plate aluminum)
> >
> >
>
>
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:35:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
>handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
>Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
>I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
>broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
>this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
>Ed
>
You have to be careful what you buy at HD. It's all about profit. I
found much of their hardware items are overpriced and low quality.
Their lawn fertilizer selection is usually good.
In article <[email protected]>,
Grandpa <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote:
>So the hinges are ok, its the screws that are shitty. Seems like an
>easy fix to me, buy them seperately & dump the ones that come with the
>hinges. Good excuse to load up on a selection of decent wood screws<G>.
Sage advice.
This is why I'm an avid McFeely's customer. When I need "brass"
screws, I use the Yellow Zinc plated steel screws and get the good look
of brass with the strength of steel. Add in a Vix drill bit, and brass
hinges are a pleasure to install.
--
--henry schaffer
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>You have to be careful what you buy at HD. It's all about profit. I
>found much of their hardware items are overpriced and low quality.
>Their lawn fertilizer selection is usually good.
So the hardware is crap, and the crap is good crap?
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You have to predrill the holes and take your time and GO SLOWLY. Of course
> having the right size screwdriver helps too. I do not mean this as being
> smart aXX but I just installed about a hundred of those itsy bitsy screws
> and none broke. If I felt one getting a bit tight, I stopped and backed it
> out and drilled the hole a little deeper.
I've used brass screws from other sources with no problems. On the same box
is Lee Valley hardware and I did not even drill pilot holes and used a power
driver. This stuff did not work with the pilot holes and a hand screw
driver. I'm going to buy replacements at a real hardware store and expect
to get better results. The head should not strip out in just three or four
turns either. They must be made from 2% brass, 98% lead.
Perhaps the itsy bitsy screws you installed were of good quality.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Yeah, I've found the same.
Keep in mind that HD didn't get to be where they are by selling
quality stuff. They got there by selling stuff cheap and often that
means selling cheap -- in every sense of the word -- stuff. I've
learned to look carefully at what I buy there if it's not a name
brand. And for most hardware I don't even bother looking at HD any
more because I've seen too much that was just plain crap.
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:35:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
>handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
>Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
>I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
>broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
>this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
>Ed
>
-- jc
Published e-mail address is strictly for spam collection.
If e-mailing me, please use jc631 at optonline dot net
Mark & Juanita said:
> I've had the same problem with their woodscrews (thank goodness for
>McFeeley's), wound up throwing away the last batch, it just wasn't worth
>the hassle. So far, I have had no problems with any of the Borg's nuts
>and bolts (1/4" and larger); of course, I haven't tried using that
>hardware on heavy duty machinery either.
The heads on their Chinese carriage bolts pop off with the least bit
of tightening. ( < 10ft.lbs ) Had to replace some missing hardware on
the garage door, and went through 5 or 6 of these before giving up and
digging through the junk drawer. The old, nasty ones worked fine.
Greg G.
You have to predrill the holes and take your time and GO SLOWLY. Of course
having the right size screwdriver helps too. I do not mean this as being
smart aXX but I just installed about a hundred of those itsy bitsy screws
and none broke. If I felt one getting a bit tight, I stopped and backed it
out and drilled the hole a little deeper. Brass looks nice, and most of
these screws must be made out of aluminum, then plated. I just took my time
and they all went in with no problems.. I did run across the occasional
screw that had "flash" in the phillips slot. I chunked them and got a
replacement from the BORG...
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson
on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
>
>
"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've twisted off my share off brass screws.
> a small "side bar" to one of the projects suggesting that
> one "pre-tap" the holes using a steel screw before installing the brass
> ones.
That's a good idea.
As a follow up, I just finished screwing the hinges on. Bought screws from
the local hardware store. This time I'm 11 1/2 for 12. I did strip one of
the heads driving it, but as long as it never has to come out, I'm OK. None
broke using the same pilot holes.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson
on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
I'm careful even when buying from litle boxes like our local Ace. The
Hillman stuff they carry is made from an alloy of lead and moonbeams called
"sleazite."
Bob
>
>
I've twisted off my share off brass screws. Mostly those little bitty ones
used for heirloom tool projects from WOOD mag. The good folks at WOOD must
have had feedback from others who were breaking those little suckers off
too, as they added a small "side bar" to one of the projects suggesting that
one "pre-tap" the holes using a steel screw before installing the brass
ones. That ended my problems of broken brass screws. I also, as someone
else suggested, use a well fitting screw driver and take a little more time
and care as I drive the brass screws home. Buying my screws from ACE
Hardware seemed to help too.
DexAZ
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson
on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> Ed
>
>
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:44:03 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
>> handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>>
>> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
>> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
>> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
>> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
>> Ed
>>
>
> I've had the same problem with their woodscrews (thank goodness for
>McFeeley's), wound up throwing away the last batch, it just wasn't worth
>the hassle. So far, I have had no problems with any of the Borg's nuts
>and bolts (1/4" and larger); of course, I haven't tried using that
>hardware on heavy duty machinery either.
Their lag bolts are total junk. I recently installed a stair rail and
3 of the six 1/4" lag bolts broke when I snugged them up. Went to 3/8"
and didn't fare any better, but by that time I had gotten all the
brackets on. I do wonder how safe they are if someone grabs the rail .
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Hindsight is so comfortingly accurate, isn't it?
Just about the time when I think I'm ahead of the game, somebody comes up
with a newer, sleazier product and I have to make another trip to HD for the
fix that will make it work. "Travel twice, fit once."
"Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So the hinges are ok, its the screws that are shitty. Seems like an
> easy fix to me, buy them seperately & dump the ones that come with the
> hinges. Good excuse to load up on a selection of decent wood screws<G>.
>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
> > handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
> >
> > Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are
CRAP.
> > I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> > broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a
lesson on
> > this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:35:36 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I made a cherry chest and I'm finally putting the hardware on it. The
>handles went on first. Bought them from Lee Valley and had no problems
>
>Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
>I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
>broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson on
>this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
>Ed
>
I recently bought a box of 2" #8 steel woodscrews, made by Crown*,
from HD . About one third of them stripped or broke off at the head
when I was driving them into or taking them out of soft pine and 3/4"
plywood. The driver bit fit the slots perfectly. I probaly should
have pre-drilled the holes, but I thought they would work fine to
screw a piece of plywood into a 2x4. Usuall I use drywall screws for
that sort of thing, but I thought I'd try the wood screws... What a
pain it was.
(*Crown Bolt? Something like that. )
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
<snip>
> Then I tried the hinges, Ives brand from Home Depot. The screws are CRAP.
> I pre-drilled the holes to the size stated on the package. Three screws
> broke and two heads stripped before they could break. I learned a lesson
on
> this buy. No more hardware from the big box stores.
It is too bad but HD is no longer a supplier of quality goods IMHO.
Strictly a commodity supplier these days, and that especially applies to
power tools.
The recent 20% discount for power tools was attractive; however, the
acceptable choice of tools available was very limited.
Just my view point.
YMMV
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
I was doing it commercialy.
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not commercially/economically. You can brass plate your lunch if you
wanted
> to, but that doesn't mean it can be done reasonably.
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:kF5Gb.635701$Tr4.1637519@attbi_s03...
> > Sure can. I've silver plated it too.
> > >
> > > And none of them were aluminum. Why on earth would they use brass
> plated
> > > aluminum! (ignoring the fact that you can't brass plate aluminum)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Toller wrote:
> And none of them were aluminum. Why on earth would they use brass plated
> aluminum! (ignoring the fact that you can't brass plate aluminum)
Annodize it? It's definitely possible to get a brassy-looking substance
onto aluminum. I have no idea how it's done though.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/