OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest

Rick Chamberlain <[email protected]> wrote:

> Pot. Kettle. Black. 'nuff said.

Hardly...

need it simpler? YOU are a moron.

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:

> In article <1gddg9j.1fa4pq01j0regaN%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Rick Chamberlain <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pot. Kettle. Black. 'nuff said.
>>
>>Hardly...
>>
>
> p_j, that you?
>
> Need it simpler? BAD accuses Tom of being childish. BAD *is* childish.
> Tom is the kettle, BAD is the pot.
>
> Need confirmation from the Arab web site again?

Puff Griffis wrote:
> I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this pissing > contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call a truce or > something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please drop it you are > ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars are an apparent > thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be this way. If everyone > would just grow up and act their age then this forum can return to a decent place > to learn about wood working.

Don't worry Puff, all will be quiet here in a little while. This
NG has been under troll attack for about 4 months now, or so.
They're getting desperate and our regular troll isn't helping
matters. This is a very well behaved, generally, and mature
group. We'll out stamina the trolls shortly. Stick around. Sure
would be nice if the klownhammer was a wee bit more audible
though. %-)
Dave in Fairfax
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"Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
> pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows
> call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just
> please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other.
> Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does
> not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their
> age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood
> working.
> Puff

Once upon a time I read the wreck for woodworking related info. That
was boring. Now I read it for the extensive cheap entertainment. I
don't understand those who try to stop these "pissing contests". Seems
kinda like asking that your favorite TV shows be canceled. Obviously
you truly enjoy reading these kinds of threads or you wouldn't have
read enough to be "so tired of this pissing contest" as you say above.
It is voluntary as you can skip past them easier than opening and
reading them. So I say to all just lean back and enjoy or change the
channel ;)

Dave Hall

But obviously you are reading these threads for some reason ....and it
ain't the anticipated woodworking content. You must enjoy the OT
content or you would just pass on by.

Of course I can't see any other reason than the wrecks to watch cars
drive around in endless circles either ;) Heck, that's like saying you
watch Hocky for the sportsmanship on display :) (BTW I don't watch
auto racing or hockey (or train wrecks for that matter)- but I do
enjoy a good pissin' contest on the wreck).

Dave Hall

"Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I don't disagree that train wrecks are always watched by the passers by.
> That however does not make me wish there were no train wrecks. Might
> surprise you but I don't watch auto racing for the wrecks either.
> Puff
>
> "David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
> > > pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you
> fellows
> > > call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes
> just
> > > please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each
> other.
> > > Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it
> does
> > > not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act
> their
> > > age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood
>
> > > working.
> > > Puff
> >
> > Once upon a time I read the wreck for woodworking related info. That
> > was boring. Now I read it for the extensive cheap entertainment. I
> > don't understand those who try to stop these "pissing contests". Seems
> > kinda like asking that your favorite TV shows be canceled. Obviously
> > you truly enjoy reading these kinds of threads or you wouldn't have
> > read enough to be "so tired of this pissing contest" as you say above.
> > It is voluntary as you can skip past them easier than opening and
> > reading them. So I say to all just lean back and enjoy or change the
> > channel ;)
> >
> > Dave Hall

Oh Frank believe me I have no intention of leaving. I find most of the =
post quite informative and will continue to read them. I have seen the =
troll attacks all to often on alt.smokers.pipes in the 6 or 8 years I =
have been an active member so its nothing new I just hate to see what it =
can do to a good news group.
David "Puff" Griffis

"Frank McVey" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> I second what you're saying, Puff. However, some senior and very
> well-respected members of the group have been under a sustained troll =
attack
> and have the right to defend themselves in the forum in which they =
were
> attacked. In the case of the last series of exchanges, the troll =
seems to
> be a poster who has been purporting to be one of our own for the last =
18
> months or so - he claims to have had his identity hijacked on a number =
of
> occasions by yet another troll. I can't figure out who is the troll =
and who
> isn't, but since the aforementioned poster contributes little to the =
group
> other than controversy and discord, I've filtered them both with =
complete
> impartiality. A plague on both their houses.
>=20
> As for the pissing contest, a cursory search of Google will allow you =
to
> make up your own mind as to where the right of the matter lies.
>=20
> If you still have problems, then it's a simple matter to kill-file =
those to
> whom you take exception - see David Eisan's FAQ, which he posts =
regularly.
> Most of the good guys fly under their own colours so it isn't hard. =
There
> is at least one resident non-Wreck troll who keeps morphing his =
identity,
> making it harder to plonk him, but he's a just a lightweight maggot - =
no,
> less than that - just a yeast infection on an otherwise healthy body, =
so
> ignore him. You'll quickly get to recognise his posts.
>=20
> Welcome aboard, and I trust that the current spat won't discourage you =
from
> learning from - and contributing to - the "Wreck"
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Frank
>=20
>=20
> "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of =
this
> pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you =
fellows call
> a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just =
please
> drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame =
wars
> are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have =
to be
> this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this =
forum
> can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
> Puff
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you. moron. 'nuff said.

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>you are reverting to type. extreme childishness. do you
>>think your staunchest supporters are proud of you at times
>>like this? Where's your pride, man?
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Tom Watson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I <snip> I <snip> I've <snip>me<snip> I <snip> I <snip> my <snip> I<snip> I <snip> I
>>>><snip> I<snip> I <snip> my <snip> me<snip> I <snip> my<snip>
>
>
> Pot. Kettle. Black. 'nuff said.

sounds like you don't know whether to sh*t or go blind. :)

dave

Frank McVey wrote:
I can't figure out who is the troll and who
> isn't ...

MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the
dogs off? I think there are more of them than me...

dave

Morris Dovey wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's impossible. To hear
>> the official party line, everyone has plonked me. Therefore it is
>> IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing contest to continue. I read it here on the
>> Wreck, so it MUST BE TRUE!
>
>
> Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff becomes a
> boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more constructively to help
> those with less experience.
>

but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
MUST BE TRUE!

dave

Puff Griffis wrote:

> I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
> Puff
>

you are reverting to type. extreme childishness. do you
think your staunchest supporters are proud of you at times
like this? Where's your pride, man?

dave

Tom Watson wrote:

> On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I <snip> I <snip> I've <snip>me<snip> I <snip> I <snip> my <snip> I<snip> I <snip> I
>><snip> I<snip> I <snip> my <snip> me<snip> I <snip> my<snip>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>

is that P.O?
dave

dave in fairfax wrote:
Sure
> would be nice if the klownhammer was a wee bit more audible
> though. %-)
> Dave in Fairfax

Then I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Puff

"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> But obviously you are reading these threads for some reason ....and it
> ain't the anticipated woodworking content. You must enjoy the OT
> content or you would just pass on by.
>=20
> Of course I can't see any other reason than the wrecks to watch cars
> drive around in endless circles either ;) Heck, that's like saying you
> watch Hocky for the sportsmanship on display :) (BTW I don't watch
> auto racing or hockey (or train wrecks for that matter)- but I do
> enjoy a good pissin' contest on the wreck).
>=20
> Dave Hall
>=20
> "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:<[email protected]>...
> > I don't disagree that train wrecks are always watched by the passers =
by.=20
> > That however does not make me wish there were no train wrecks. Might =

> > surprise you but I don't watch auto racing for the wrecks either.
> > Puff
> >=20
> > "David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message=20
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message=20
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of =
this=20
> > > > pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you=20
> > fellows=20
> > > > call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it =
takes=20
> > just=20
> > > > please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each=20
> > other.=20
> > > > Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but =
it=20
> > does=20
> > > > not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act=20
> > their=20
> > > > age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about =
wood=20
> > =20
> > > > working.
> > > > Puff
> > >=20
> > > Once upon a time I read the wreck for woodworking related info. =
That
> > > was boring. Now I read it for the extensive cheap entertainment. I
> > > don't understand those who try to stop these "pissing contests". =
Seems
> > > kinda like asking that your favorite TV shows be canceled. =
Obviously
> > > you truly enjoy reading these kinds of threads or you wouldn't =
have
> > > read enough to be "so tired of this pissing contest" as you say =
above.
> > > It is voluntary as you can skip past them easier than opening and
> > > reading them. So I say to all just lean back and enjoy or change =
the
> > > channel ;)
> > >=20
> > > Dave Hall

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> you are reverting to type. extreme childishness. do you
> think your staunchest supporters are proud of you at times
> like this? Where's your pride, man?
>
> dave
>
> Tom Watson wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I <snip> I <snip> I've <snip>me<snip> I <snip> I <snip> my <snip> I<snip> I <snip> I
> >><snip> I<snip> I <snip> my <snip> me<snip> I <snip> my<snip>

Pot. Kettle. Black. 'nuff said.
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In article <1gddg9j.1fa4pq01j0regaN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Rick Chamberlain <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Pot. Kettle. Black. 'nuff said.
>
> Hardly...
>
p_j, that you?

Need it simpler? BAD accuses Tom of being childish. BAD *is* childish.
Tom is the kettle, BAD is the pot.

Need confirmation from the Arab web site again?
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> you. moron. 'nuff said.
>
> dave

Thanks for the chuckle. You are so predictable its pathetic. Now, take
the last word and complete the picture.

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"Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff

The problem is, the problem people "are" acting their ages. They are in the
10 to 15 year old age group.

I second what you're saying, Puff. However, some senior and very
well-respected members of the group have been under a sustained troll attack
and have the right to defend themselves in the forum in which they were
attacked. In the case of the last series of exchanges, the troll seems to
be a poster who has been purporting to be one of our own for the last 18
months or so - he claims to have had his identity hijacked on a number of
occasions by yet another troll. I can't figure out who is the troll and who
isn't, but since the aforementioned poster contributes little to the group
other than controversy and discord, I've filtered them both with complete
impartiality. A plague on both their houses.

As for the pissing contest, a cursory search of Google will allow you to
make up your own mind as to where the right of the matter lies.

If you still have problems, then it's a simple matter to kill-file those to
whom you take exception - see David Eisan's FAQ, which he posts regularly.
Most of the good guys fly under their own colours so it isn't hard. There
is at least one resident non-Wreck troll who keeps morphing his identity,
making it harder to plonk him, but he's a just a lightweight maggot - no,
less than that - just a yeast infection on an otherwise healthy body, so
ignore him. You'll quickly get to recognise his posts.

Welcome aboard, and I trust that the current spat won't discourage you from
learning from - and contributing to - the "Wreck"

Cheers,

Frank


"Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff



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Bay Area Dave wrote:

> MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the dogs
> off? I think there are more of them than me...
>
> dave
>
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>>> but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
>>> impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
>>> plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
>>> contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
>>> MUST BE TRUE!
>>
>> Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
>> becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
>> constructively to help those with less experience.

I would if I could. I can only suggest ignoring a thread as soon
as it becomes personally offensive - Netscape does this with a
"K" keyboard shortcut - and resisting the urge to strike back.

Usenet /does/ require growing a thick skin (or pretending to have
a thick skin, which is what I do) and the self-discipline to
/not/ engage in knee-jerk reactions. Tolerance for, and
acceptance of, the fact that some (perhaps all) of us post
inappropriately from time to time would seem to be a worthwhile goal.

I haven't read a posting here yet that caused me to dislike the
poster - the rec is full of good people. I don't care much for
the porn spamming nor the posting of forged articles; but I
regard both as attempts by (possibly damaged/broken) individuals
to get the attention that they're not getting in their lives away
from their Internet connection.

We all know that (on usenet, at least) the best way to respond to
trolls is to leave them in limbo. If usenet doesn't provide what
they need, perhaps they'll seek satisfaction and/or more
meaningful help elsewhere.

When a thread takes a turn that I find offensive, I'll either
abandon it or mark it to be ignored. I've yet to killfile an
individual. My life's just too short to waste any of it on anger
(especially someone else's); and it seems to me that the world
has a lot of really /serious/ problems begging for the
application of all the energy that anger uses up.

Now - all that is just my view. Your perspective may be different
and how each of us reacts is something we each decide for
ourselves. FWIW, I'd rather learn (or teach) one new thing about
woodworking than win a hundred pissing matches.

Everybody's mileage varies on this one.

My 2¢ worth.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Perchance did you post this to the wrong newsgroup? Things
here on rec.nahrm seem to have been pretty civil of late.

How about if for off-topic postings and flames we follow
them up with something nice and polite about woodworking.
Drown them in sawdust.

That'll fix 'em.

--

FF

and deprive you of the pleasure?? The podium is all yours...

dave

Rick Chamberlain wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>you. moron. 'nuff said.
>>
>>dave
>
>
> Thanks for the chuckle. You are so predictable its pathetic. Now, take
> the last word and complete the picture.
>

I gotta agree with every word you wrote. 'course I don't
like everyone here, but since I've only got 2 miscreants
plonked, that leaves me with plenty of reading material. :)
What a find truly interesting is that obvious
tongue-in-cheek posts such as "Jeremy" made are raising lots
of hackles.

In times past I used to be a "plonkin'" fool. The most
excitement came when I shared my list with the group. The
list got long really fast due to their piling-on mentality
and I got sick of reading their posts. I soon learned there
was little to be gained from ignoring all of it so I
unfiltered all but a handful. Then I ran with no filters.
Then the porn started and I got sick of reading the filthy
headers so it was "shields up". Then my pc's hard drive
died and a re-install of Netscape started me back at square
one. and now I run with just 2 miscreants in my list. that
feels about right for the time being.

this is way too much talk about plonking. sorry.

dave

Morris Dovey wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the dogs
>> off? I think there are more of them than me...
>>
>> dave
>>
>> Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
>>>> impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
>>>> plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
>>>> contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
>>>> MUST BE TRUE!
>>>
>>>
>>> Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
>>> becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
>>> constructively to help those with less experience.
>
>
> I would if I could. I can only suggest ignoring a thread as soon as it
> becomes personally offensive - Netscape does this with a "K" keyboard
> shortcut - and resisting the urge to strike back.
>
> Usenet /does/ require growing a thick skin (or pretending to have a
> thick skin, which is what I do) and the self-discipline to /not/ engage
> in knee-jerk reactions. Tolerance for, and acceptance of, the fact that
> some (perhaps all) of us post inappropriately from time to time would
> seem to be a worthwhile goal.
>
> I haven't read a posting here yet that caused me to dislike the poster -
> the rec is full of good people. I don't care much for the porn spamming
> nor the posting of forged articles; but I regard both as attempts by
> (possibly damaged/broken) individuals to get the attention that they're
> not getting in their lives away from their Internet connection.
>
> We all know that (on usenet, at least) the best way to respond to trolls
> is to leave them in limbo. If usenet doesn't provide what they need,
> perhaps they'll seek satisfaction and/or more meaningful help elsewhere.
>
> When a thread takes a turn that I find offensive, I'll either abandon it
> or mark it to be ignored. I've yet to killfile an individual. My life's
> just too short to waste any of it on anger (especially someone else's);
> and it seems to me that the world has a lot of really /serious/ problems
> begging for the application of all the energy that anger uses up.
>
> Now - all that is just my view. Your perspective may be different and
> how each of us reacts is something we each decide for ourselves. FWIW,
> I'd rather learn (or teach) one new thing about woodworking than win a
> hundred pissing matches.
>
> Everybody's mileage varies on this one.
>
> My 2¢ worth.

On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I <snip> I <snip> I've <snip>me<snip> I <snip> I <snip> my <snip> I<snip> I <snip> I
><snip> I<snip> I <snip> my <snip> me<snip> I <snip> my<snip>

...

considering the number of posts to this group each day, its actually pretty
managable.

randy

"Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff

I don't disagree that train wrecks are always watched by the passers by. =
That however does not make me wish there were no train wrecks. Might =
surprise you but I don't watch auto racing for the wrecks either.
Puff

"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
> "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:<[email protected]>...
> > I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this=20
> > pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you =
fellows=20
> > call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes =
just=20
> > please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each =
other.=20
> > Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it =
does=20
> > not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act =
their=20
> > age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood =

> > working.
> > Puff
>=20
> Once upon a time I read the wreck for woodworking related info. That
> was boring. Now I read it for the extensive cheap entertainment. I
> don't understand those who try to stop these "pissing contests". Seems
> kinda like asking that your favorite TV shows be canceled. Obviously
> you truly enjoy reading these kinds of threads or you wouldn't have
> read enough to be "so tired of this pissing contest" as you say above.
> It is voluntary as you can skip past them easier than opening and
> reading them. So I say to all just lean back and enjoy or change the
> channel ;)
>=20
> Dave Hall

Bay Area Dave wrote:

> but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's impossible. To hear
> the official party line, everyone has plonked me. Therefore it is
> IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing contest to continue. I read it here on the
> Wreck, so it MUST BE TRUE!

Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
constructively to help those with less experience.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA