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[email protected] (Ian Dodd)

08/12/2003 3:19 PM

Jigsaw recommendation?

Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.

Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
product I've bitten the bullet on.

What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?

Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.


This topic has 21 replies

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[email protected] (Never Enough Money)

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 7:02 PM

Bosch is coming out with a brand new high end model in Feb 2004. I
hear it's got some sort of comuter control to keep constant speed and
to reduce unwanted motion.

I use a Makita that's nice -- except the window keeps sliding down - a
lot of people remove it, I know. It's an old model so it doesn't have
the nice blade changing mechanisms the new models do.

Porter-Cable has a nice one too. I hear it has gotten mediocre reviews
but it "feels" good to me.

I'm tired of Dewalt Yellow and Milwalkeee Red. All my tools can't be
loud (color-wise). I've never seen a Grizzly.


[email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

MM

Mapdude

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 3:48 AM

I bought the Bosch top handle model. Watched eBay for about 2 weeks and
finally got one for about $75 from a pawn shop's auction. It was barely
broke in. no scratches, and came with the hard plastic case and a few
extra blades and the edge guide. I have bought a ton of tools on ebay
and paid usually about half of what I would pay retail for the tools.
You just gotta know what model you want and be patient. Do your
research to see what they are going for on the average and then find a
good, clean item and make your bid.



Ian Dodd wrote:
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

Gs

"Gene"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 8:45 AM

I believe that the Milwaukee is the same as AEG.

Gene

"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On 8 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:
>
>
> >What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> I think the Milwaukee is the Bosch, or maybe vice-versa.
>
> Barry

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[email protected] (hamrdog)

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

11/12/2003 12:00 AM

i have the Bosch top-handle version (don't remember the model). i
bought it about six or seven years ago for $150 at HD. i have used it
to cut everything fron 3" thick oak to 1/2" steel. it is probably the
most used handheld power tool i have (well, maybe i use the industrial
drill a hair more). it was well worth the money.

andy b.



On 8 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:

>Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
>the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
>Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
>Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
>the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
>product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
>What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
>Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 1:37 AM

On 8 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:

>Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
>the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
>Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
>Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
>the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
>product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
>What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
>Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.


I have the Bosch 1587 and love it. Almost like a small portable band
saw. Runs smooth like a sewing machine. I have the one with dust
collection and found that handy when cutting pressure-treated stuff.

Pj

"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº3"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 7:47 PM


"Randy Chapman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:hO8Bb.342327$ao4.1142119@attbi_s51...
> > Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> > the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> > Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
> >
> > Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> > the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> > product I've bitten the bullet on.
> >
> > What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> I grabbed a DeWalt 321k at Lowe's when they were on clearance for $99.
> Contrary to what other reviews have said, I've never had a problem with
the
> blade coming out .. but YMMV. Cuts like a dream compared to the old
> Craftsman scroller saw, or the POS i had before (can't even recall the
> name). I am very disappointed with the performance of the blower ... it
> fails to blow sawdust out of the way, but that's a minor gripe.
>
> However, I would not have paid the full $150 price for it. I would have
> bought HF's bosch knockoff ($49 on sale) instead, probably. I've actually
> not heard a bad thing about that HF item.
>
> Also, look at the new Rigid, or the Festool if you really want to spend
the
> dough.
>
> --randy

Yes Festool or Fein if you have a ton of cash to spare. Engineered to
perform!

--
© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 12:29 AM

On 8 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:


>What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?

I think the Milwaukee is the Bosch, or maybe vice-versa.

Barry

Jb

"Jeffo"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

10/12/2003 12:23 AM


I just bought the new Makita after looking at Metabo, Bosch, and Milwaukee.
I liked the Milwaukee, but couldn't find a barrel grip in my area. All are
good saws and will serve you well. The Makita has a great blade change
system (borrowed from Milwaukee I think), more power than most(6.3 amps vs
5.?), fits my hand well, smoooth, and a little LED to light the way.

If it's in the budget, look at the Fein and Festool - a step above the
others.

HTH
Jeffo



"Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

CM

Chris Merrill

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 2:33 AM

I, too, was inflicted with a Craftsman jigsaw. Absolutely hated to
use it. Never heard a complaint about the Bosch. On the recommendation
of a friend, I went with the barrel grip over the top-handle. Not a
single regret. IMO, the barrel grip is far more natural than the
top handle. Now the jigsaw is one of my tools I enjoy using the most.

C

Ian Dodd wrote:
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.


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Chris Merrill
[email protected]
(remove the ZZZ to contact me)
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[email protected] (Ian Dodd)

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 10:47 PM

"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:>
> Yes Festool or Fein if you have a ton of cash to spare. Engineered to
> perform!

Yeah, that Festool looks pretty sweet. I found a closeout on the
Festool PS 2 E for the same price as a Bosch. I presume this is a
last year's model compared to the current Trion. Max. cut depth is 3
5/16" vs. the Trion's 4+". Anybody have anything to say about the PS
2?

GM

"George M. Kazaka"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 5:30 PM

You mean there are jigsaws other than Bosch ???
who would have known
Been using them for years a whole bunch of them.
Good luck,
George

"Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

Tt

"Tony"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 7:34 PM

Hi, I have the top handled Bosch, love it, cuts smooth. I'd buy it again.

Tony
Ian Dodd <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 1:35 AM


"Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>
> Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.

Since you want real users opinions, about 5 years ago I went to the store to
buy the Bosch and had the Bosch in my hands. The salesman told me to also
look at the Milwaukee and then decide. I bought the Milwaukee.

Both are great saws..!!! BUT if you are going to used the saw often, you
will probably be changing blades often. If the blade change is quick and
easy, you may actually use the saw more often. This is an area that the
Milwaukee excels compared to the current Bosch models. Push the spring
loaded blade release lever over and the blade falls out. Insert a new blade
and let go of the lever and start sawing. With the Bosch you pull up on
the handle, twist it a few times and pull the blade out. Insert the new
blade and wiggle it until you hear a click, reverse the spins on the handle
until tight and push the knob back down. This works fine but takes 10 times
longer to change a blade. Bosch is way behind in this respect. IIRC Bosch
is going to eventually come out with a blade change set up similar to the
Milwaukee and then it will be a choice of which color you like best. Until
then, IMHO you will like the Milwaukee better if you will be using it
regularly and hate the chore of changing blades. Until I actually changed a
blade out of the Milwaukee I had no idea how much faster and easier it is.


Pj

"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº3"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 9:46 AM


"Gene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I believe that the Milwaukee is the same as AEG.
>
> Gene

Here in Canada they are indeed bedfellows parts distribution wise but I
don't think there is any manufacturing similarities unless Milwaukee have
put their name on AEGs models (not heard either way)
***U P D A T E***
{{ Just phoned Milwaukee & asked....to the best of their knowledge there is
not Milwaukee jigsaw that is the same as AEG }}
Also they are dropping the handling of AEG parts so If you need any act
fast.


--
© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada

cC

[email protected] (Christian Aufreiter)

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

12/12/2003 2:42 PM

Not my personal opinion but an excellent review
http://www.mv.com/users/besposito/woodworking/festool/index.html

Hope this helps,

Christian

KY

Ken Yee

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 3:28 PM

[email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote in news:87f252d0.0312081519.1de8b344
@posting.google.com:

> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.

Also have a look at Metabo. I wrote an Amazon review on
it...errr..nevermind :-)


ken

RC

"Randy Chapman"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 12:36 AM

> Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>
> What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?

I grabbed a DeWalt 321k at Lowe's when they were on clearance for $99.
Contrary to what other reviews have said, I've never had a problem with the
blade coming out .. but YMMV. Cuts like a dream compared to the old
Craftsman scroller saw, or the POS i had before (can't even recall the
name). I am very disappointed with the performance of the blower ... it
fails to blow sawdust out of the way, but that's a minor gripe.

However, I would not have paid the full $150 price for it. I would have
bought HF's bosch knockoff ($49 on sale) instead, probably. I've actually
not heard a bad thing about that HF item.

Also, look at the new Rigid, or the Festool if you really want to spend the
dough.

--randy

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 1:54 AM

On 8 Dec 2003 15:19:26 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:

>Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
>the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw.

Bosch every time IMHO, but there may be others just as good. The
crucial factor is the reduced vibration, comapred to a cheapie.

(I'm in the UK - these are 230V Euro models)

The GST 100 (and it's old smaller model the 70) is the best jigsaw
Bosch make
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=GST100BCE

But even better is the barrel-bodied GST 2000 that's Swiss-made by
Scintilla
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=GST2000

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

GM

"George M. Kazaka"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 6:10 PM

Yes and I tryed to e-mail you the following message but of course it bounced

Nice looking piece Dave,
Ignore the critics Especially the remarks about the odd flutes, that happens
to be something I never have heard of before and have used even flutes
myself and have seen them used on many applications.
Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, and we all see things
differantly and have differant tastes
I do have a curious question for you, are you left handed ????
Keep up the good work.
George

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> george, did you get the pics?
>
> dave
>
> George M. Kazaka wrote:
>
> > You mean there are jigsaws other than Bosch ???
> > who would have known
> > Been using them for years a whole bunch of them.
> > Good luck,
> > George
> >
> > "Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
> >>the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
> >>Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
> >>
> >>Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> >>the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> >>product I've bitten the bullet on.
> >>
> >>What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
> >>
> >>Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
>

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

09/12/2003 1:03 AM

george, did you get the pics?

dave

George M. Kazaka wrote:

> You mean there are jigsaws other than Bosch ???
> who would have known
> Been using them for years a whole bunch of them.
> Good luck,
> George
>
> "Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Looking for recommendations from real users with real experience (vs.
>>the stuff I see on amazon or epinions) for a new jig saw. The ole'
>>Craftsman I inherited probably won't make it through the next job.
>>
>>Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
>>the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
>>product I've bitten the bullet on.
>>
>>What about DeWalt, Milwaukee or even Grizzly?
>>
>>Your $0.02 worth is appreciated.
>
>
>

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 08/12/2003 3:19 PM

08/12/2003 8:03 PM


"Ian Dodd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Initial reviews of the Bosch 1584 and 1587 look promising. They're on
> the pricey side, around $160, but I've always loved any other Bosch
> product I've bitten the bullet on.
>


Shop around, I just bought a Bosch top handle and the regular price was
$135. I got it during Tool Crib's sale for another10% off, plus a couple of
Wolfcraft clamps thrown in the deal. They still may have the free clamps
available. They had some in stock a week ago. Give them a call.
Greg

Tool Crib
Fargo, ND
1-800 437-4100


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