CLOSE CALL - SMOKE ALARM IN THE SHOP?

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:47 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:



> But, then I got to thinking, all the dust in the shop would either
>set the alarm off all the time, or kill it entirely. So, I'm wondering
>if any of you have an alarm in your shop, and how do you get around the
>dust problem?

I have two smoke alarms in my basement shop.

Whenever I'm cleaning the shop, I simply vacuum it out. If I forget
for a while, I get false alarms, which are immediately cured by
blasting it out with "canned air" or an air compressor hose.

FWIW, you could get some of the AC/DC models that use a traveller lead
to set all detectors off if one goes into alarm. The shop detector
could easily be wired into your house detectors to alert you no matter
where you are.

I just replaced two of the 10 year old detectors in my home for about
$14 each at the BORG.

Barry

you are truly a remarkable gentleman, Rich. I'm sure your folks are
proud of you, and support your literary achievements. Do they tape
copies of your posts to their refrigerator to show all their friends
what words you've learned in school? Is your trailer similarly anointed
with your efforts?

dave

Rich wrote:

> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>the "one"?
>>
>>I have 5 extinguishers in our house>
>>
>
> That's why your everybodies f***ing hero, dipshit!

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "mttt" writes:
>
> Right after cheap comes messy.
> Kidde as well as other mfgs.

Yeppers! And the point about shaking them periodically is important. Seems
like a lot of the dry chem failures are attributable to powder compaction.
Been reading it's more apparent when the cannister is subject to vibration
(as when mounted in a car.)

>
> If you have ever had to try and clean up after using what is basically a
> baking soda filled unit, you will know what I mean.
>

My shop is in the garage in my house. Clean up and tool preservation is much
lower on the priority list. But, I do know since I've had to clean up one,
once.

> If you want to protect against fires as well as not damage your expensive
> wood working tools, then consider a CO2 unit.
>
> Won't damage your equipment as a 10B unit can, but then there is no
> guarantee against stupidity.

Interestingly enough - most new data centers have dumped Halon (for obvious
reasons) but now flood the stuff with water. And not, DI water either - but
plain ol' water from the City, in (hopefully) biblical proportions.

"Sweet Sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Get the battry operated smoke alarm and dust it out when it falses. don't
> worry about the cold it won't hurt as much as heat. Get a box of baking
> soda or two or three to dump on the fire, cheaper then the sprayer and
> doesn't freeze. a little vinger dumped on the soda will create a nice CO2
> cloud that will put out a lot of non electrical fires.

What a mess. At HD yesterday, they have a small fire extinguisher for $10.

I stopped at Ace today, and got a smoke alarm. Didn't have time to
check out fire extinguishers, but one or two will get in the shop. Not
going to take the one out of the house.

I do have a switch for the power line, by the way, but leave it on,
and unplug the line. So, that's always an option to cut off power.
But, I've found, if I leave the line plgged in, and the switch off, I
sometimes forget to switch the power on, then it's a trip back to the
house to turn the power on. Don't care for that.

I may, or may not, get a Kidde extinguisher. Had one years back.
Used it, and when I tried to get it refilled, the extinguisher companies
around here wouldn't do it. Not becuause they couldn't, or the
extinguisher couldn't be refilled. They woulding because they said the
Kidde extinguishers wouldn't retain pressure for very long, so they
wouldn't do them. For a one-shot extinguisher, they're fine, hold
pressure, no prob. But, if you're thinking about getting one that is
refillable, might want to check to see if they've improved. Oh yeah,
the dry chem stuff will rapidly corrode metal, if it isn't cleaned off
quickly. Rubber too, as I recall.

JOAT
People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
- General Friit

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

I don't criticize anyone's religious beliefs, nor even discuss religion
on the Wreck. I also have no beef with any minorities. Apparently your
sense of humor (or lack thereof) must be a true impediment to enjoying a
joke. Avoid Letterman and Leno; you will be offended.

Now change out of that chenille robe, doff the curlers, sober up hubby
enough so's he can get that 18 wheeler rolling down the driveway without
taking out the mailbox, and start on your first six pack of the morning.

dave

JLJ21710 wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> Is your trailer similarly anointed with your efforts?
>>
>>dave
>
>
> Against my better judgements, I just have to comment. Putting aside
> whatever beef you and Rich have against each other, what makes it OK to
> castigate people because they live in a "trailer". What's next, your
> generalized opinions on certain minorities or religious groups?
>
> Jo
>
>

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Is your trailer similarly anointed with your efforts?
>
> dave

Against my better judgements, I just have to comment. Putting aside
whatever beef you and Rich have against each other, what makes it OK to
castigate people because they live in a "trailer". What's next, your
generalized opinions on certain minorities or religious groups?

Jo

JOAT,

Look for a smoke alarm that is AC powered. I've seen some that have an AC
cord attached and ones you wire into a electrical box. While you may raise
a lot of dust when sanding and so on, I doubt it will be enough to set off
any alarms. Clean it once in awhile as the instructions suggest and you
should be good. I don't know what the temp range is on those units but it
should be good down to freezing I would think. Kidde, Firex and First Alert
make them. I know you're "Search Challenged", so I did some of the leg work
for you........;-)

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/smoke_detectors/comparisonchart.html

http://www.kiddesafety.com/Home.shtml

http://www.firstalert.com

http://www.firex.invensys.com/

Bob S.


"T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A bit of unnecessary excitement today. Routing out a pattern, and
> lunched the bearing on the router bit. No biggie, was about to just
> call it quits for the day, and head back into the house. Then
> remembered I had most of a cup of coffee left, and decided to sit and
> finish it.
>
> I had smelled something like smoke when I shut the router off, but
> figured the neighbors were burning something again. Then saw what
> looked like a little whisp of smoke. Looked again, nothing. Then
> another. Couldn't see anything smoking. But, then finally looked
> higher, then on a shelf was an old master, with some sawdust on the end.
> And a black spot on the sawdust. And, a very thin stream of smoke.
> Apparently the bid had tossed a hot piece of something when it died.
> Had a bottle of water, for cleaning brushes, and proceeded to use some.
> And, some more on a black spot I saw below where the master was. Just
> in case. Sat for awhile looking for more smoke, but didn't see any.
> And, again after I went to town and back.
>
> I don't know what would have happened if I had came back in the
> house. It could have gone out. It could have smouldered until I went
> back out. It could have blazed up. I don't have a huge amount invested
> in the shop and tools. Maybe $2,000 would replace shop and all, maybe a
> bit more. But, $2,000 you don't have now, and probably won't for a long
> time is a lot bigger than $2,000 you've got in the bank.
>
> So, I'm wondering about a smoke alarm in the shop. I'd have to
> have a battery operated, and the cold would sap the battery. No prob
> about that, I could just check it every time I went out.
>
> And, I probably won't be able to hear it inside the house. No prob
> there, the noise would probably set the dog to barking, and I'd wind up
> opening the door to holler at the dog, and hear the alarm.
>
> But, then I got to thinking, all the dust in the shop would either
> set the alarm off all the time, or kill it entirely. So, I'm wondering
> if any of you have an alarm in your shop, and how do you get around the
> dust problem?
>
> The only thing that immediately pops into my mind, is make a cover
> of some sort for it. Down side would be I'd probably forget to take the
> cover off some time or another.
>
> Next thing was keep it in a box when I was working. Basically
> same, probably forget to take it out of the box.
>
> The best thought so far, is make a box for it, paint it red, label
> it SMOKE ALARM, and hang it right in front of the door, so it'll be very
> hard to miss or forget. Then I could take it out of the box, and hang
> it somewhere, maybe on the box itself.
>
> That, and get a pump sprayer of some type to keep in the shop.
> Maybe one of those little 2-5 gallon garden type sprayers, pressurized
> with a hand pum. I've seen the smaller ones for arount $5.
>
> Any successful thoughts?
>
> JOAT
> People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
> serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
> place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
> get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
> - General Friit
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>

what about a fire extinguisher instead of a sprayer. or do you enjoy
being electrocuted while fighting an electrical fire?

you were lucky to have averted disaster, JOAT.

have I had any "successful thoughts", you ask. Well, sure; when I
proposed to my wife. That's one. I'm sure there are others.

dave

T. wrote:

> A bit of unnecessary excitement today. Routing out a pattern, and
> lunched the bearing on the router bit. No biggie, was about to just
> call it quits for the day, and head back into the house. Then
> remembered I had most of a cup of coffee left, and decided to sit and
> finish it.
>
> I had smelled something like smoke when I shut the router off, but
> figured the neighbors were burning something again. Then saw what
> looked like a little whisp of smoke. Looked again, nothing. Then
> another. Couldn't see anything smoking. But, then finally looked
> higher, then on a shelf was an old master, with some sawdust on the end.
> And a black spot on the sawdust. And, a very thin stream of smoke.
> Apparently the bid had tossed a hot piece of something when it died.
> Had a bottle of water, for cleaning brushes, and proceeded to use some.
> And, some more on a black spot I saw below where the master was. Just
> in case. Sat for awhile looking for more smoke, but didn't see any.
> And, again after I went to town and back.
>
> I don't know what would have happened if I had came back in the
> house. It could have gone out. It could have smouldered until I went
> back out. It could have blazed up. I don't have a huge amount invested
> in the shop and tools. Maybe $2,000 would replace shop and all, maybe a
> bit more. But, $2,000 you don't have now, and probably won't for a long
> time is a lot bigger than $2,000 you've got in the bank.
>
> So, I'm wondering about a smoke alarm in the shop. I'd have to
> have a battery operated, and the cold would sap the battery. No prob
> about that, I could just check it every time I went out.
>
> And, I probably won't be able to hear it inside the house. No prob
> there, the noise would probably set the dog to barking, and I'd wind up
> opening the door to holler at the dog, and hear the alarm.
>
> But, then I got to thinking, all the dust in the shop would either
> set the alarm off all the time, or kill it entirely. So, I'm wondering
> if any of you have an alarm in your shop, and how do you get around the
> dust problem?
>
> The only thing that immediately pops into my mind, is make a cover
> of some sort for it. Down side would be I'd probably forget to take the
> cover off some time or another.
>
> Next thing was keep it in a box when I was working. Basically
> same, probably forget to take it out of the box.
>
> The best thought so far, is make a box for it, paint it red, label
> it SMOKE ALARM, and hang it right in front of the door, so it'll be very
> hard to miss or forget. Then I could take it out of the box, and hang
> it somewhere, maybe on the box itself.
>
> That, and get a pump sprayer of some type to keep in the shop.
> Maybe one of those little 2-5 gallon garden type sprayers, pressurized
> with a hand pum. I've seen the smaller ones for arount $5.
>
> Any successful thoughts?
>
> JOAT
> People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
> serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
> place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
> get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
> - General Friit
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>

there you go AGAIN, assuming. At least you are consistent, just not too
perceptive. Sparring with you is like shooting fish in a barrel,
though, it's just no fun, once you've nabbed a dozen. sigh. Guess I'll
have to beat up on Mr. T... I would have thought you would share with
the world you firm conviction that I was serious when I teased someone a
while back and today regarding "trailer trash" jokes. Everyone else
seem to understand, but you, and now Mac. Go put some more tin foil on
those rabbit ears, sweetie, and settle down for a Beverly Hillbillies
marathon. My bad!!

dave

JLJ21710 wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>In my very humble opinion, you are a thin-skinned redneck! :)
>>
>>dave
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I assume that's another group you have a problem with. There's obviously a
> pattern of self hatred going on here. I'm glad to see you think prejudice
> is fine. I won't bother to reply again so we can just drop it here.
> There's no talking to somebody as narrow minded as you appear to be.
>
> Jo
>
>
>

oh, I almost forgot. I have friends and have had relatives who live(d)
in mobile homes. I have nothing against them, whatsoever. AAMOF, I
almost bought one, but opted for a house, due to the appreciation of a
house, as opposed to depreciation on a mobile. All I've written has
been in jest, but you have a chip on your shoulder, so you've made so
erroneous assumptions. Again, feel free to plonk my irreverent, but not
malicious, self.

...and I'm sorry that you can't get married to yer sweetheart 'cause
there's a law against it.

Cheers!

dave

JLJ21710 wrote:

>>Avoid Letterman and Leno; you will be offended.
>>
>
> Dave,
>
> Leno and Lettrman make jokes about individuals and groups who for one reason
> or another have put themselves in the public eye. You made generalized
> statements, not jokes, impling that all who live in modular housing are
> trash. There's a big difference. Plus looking at some of your previous
> posts, this isn't the first time you have done so. You are obviously a snob
> and I feel you owe this group an apology.
>
> Having disagreements with other people concerning tools is one thing but to
> conclude that "Rich" must live in a trailer because he said something vulgar
> to you is no different that saying that just because somebody is drunk, they
> must be irish (or any other stereotype). It's nothing more the economic
> prejudice. It doesn't belong here, even if you claim you were joking.
>
> Jo
>
>

"mttt" writes:

> Yeah - have had several "pro firefighters" scoff at the Kidde's. But, in
> general, having a Kidde brand is much more preferable to having nothing.
> And they're cheap enough to have several.

Right after cheap comes messy.

Kidde as well as other mfgs.

If you have ever had to try and clean up after using what is basically a
baking soda filled unit, you will know what I mean.

You will find a lot of 10B units on a boat.

They are low cost, basically last forever, if you remember to turn them
upside down and shake them every 6 months or so.

BUT, they create a mess that is almost as bad as trying to clean up after
the fire.

If you want to protect against fires as well as not damage your expensive
wood working tools, then consider a CO2 unit.

Won't damage your equipment as a 10B unit can, but then there is no
guarantee against stupidity.

HTH


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> you are truly a remarkable gentleman, Rich. I'm sure your folks are
> proud of you, and support your literary achievements. Do they tape
> copies of your posts to their refrigerator to show all their friends
> what words you've learned in school? Is your trailer similarly
> anointed with your efforts?
>
> dave
>
> Rich wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>the "one"?
>>>
>>>I have 5 extinguishers in our house>
>>>
>>
>> That's why your everybodies f***ing hero, dipshit!
>

Gee dave,
You have a way of inviting this shit. Are you truly that naive or are you,
as several have suggested, a troll? After reading a good portion of your
posts and responses (I can't read them all because they are so numerous
that I cant find the time), I feel you are either a very simple man, lead
an extremely boring life or just like to bust balls. Don't have a problem
with the busting balls part as I tend to do it myself.
I don't agree with the "hero part", but it seems you go out of your ay to
live up to the dipshit part. No offense meant.
Regards,
Hank


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T. wrote:

> And, I probably won't be able to hear it inside the house. No prob
> there, the noise would probably set the dog to barking, and I'd wind up
> opening the door to holler at the dog, and hear the alarm.

I have no idea where they came from, but I have alarm bells in my house. I
don't know how they work either. I think there's a melt plug, like on
sprinkler systems. I was curious one day... Started poking around.
Pulled off a little aluminum tab on the bottom of one of those things.

Just about pissed my pants when the bell went off. LOUD! I went out to the
shop and got my hearing protectors and a sledge hammer. I finally thought
about cutting the circuit breaker, and that did it. Cut off, and didn't
start back up. There's a plunger sticking out of the bottom now, and the
little aluminum thing won't go back on.

I should try to find out where those came from, and see about replacing it.
Something like that might be good for your shop too.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:20:13 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>what about a fire extinguisher instead of a sprayer. or do you enjoy
>being electrocuted while fighting an electrical fire?

What he said.

Dry chem or CO2 is much better in the shop than water.

Barry

Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> the "one"?
>
> I have 5 extinguishers in our house>
>
That's why your everybodies f***ing hero, dipshit!

"T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Kidde extinguishers wouldn't retain pressure for very long, so they
> wouldn't do them. For a one-shot extinguisher, they're fine, hold
> pressure, no prob. But, if you're thinking about getting one that is

Yeah - have had several "pro firefighters" scoff at the Kidde's. But, in
general, having a Kidde brand is much more preferable to having nothing.
And they're cheap enough to have several.

"JLJ21710" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<M31Ab.2
> what makes it OK to castigate people because they live in a "trailer".

I normally just lurk here but have to speak up. My Father died when I
was young and it was all my Mother could to keep our family together.
We lived in a mobile home park along with a number of other fine
families. We weren't white trash as BAD and the entire audience of
Jerry Springer would have you believe. I'm appalled everytime I hear
that reference being made.

Mac Backton

Joat search challenged! Now that's a hoot!

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"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> JOAT,
>
> Look for a smoke alarm that is AC powered. I've seen some that have an AC
> cord attached and ones you wire into a electrical box. While you may
raise
> a lot of dust when sanding and so on, I doubt it will be enough to set off
> any alarms. Clean it once in awhile as the instructions suggest and you
> should be good. I don't know what the temp range is on those units but it
> should be good down to freezing I would think. Kidde, Firex and First
Alert
> make them. I know you're "Search Challenged", so I did some of the leg
work
> for you........;-)
>
>
http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/smoke_detectors/comparisonchart.html
>
> http://www.kiddesafety.com/Home.shtml
>
> http://www.firstalert.com
>
> http://www.firex.invensys.com/
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A bit of unnecessary excitement today. Routing out a pattern, and
> > lunched the bearing on the router bit. No biggie, was about to just
> > call it quits for the day, and head back into the house. Then
> > remembered I had most of a cup of coffee left, and decided to sit and
> > finish it.
> >
> > I had smelled something like smoke when I shut the router off, but
> > figured the neighbors were burning something again. Then saw what
> > looked like a little whisp of smoke. Looked again, nothing. Then
> > another. Couldn't see anything smoking. But, then finally looked
> > higher, then on a shelf was an old master, with some sawdust on the end.
> > And a black spot on the sawdust. And, a very thin stream of smoke.
> > Apparently the bid had tossed a hot piece of something when it died.
> > Had a bottle of water, for cleaning brushes, and proceeded to use some.
> > And, some more on a black spot I saw below where the master was. Just
> > in case. Sat for awhile looking for more smoke, but didn't see any.
> > And, again after I went to town and back.
> >
> > I don't know what would have happened if I had came back in the
> > house. It could have gone out. It could have smouldered until I went
> > back out. It could have blazed up. I don't have a huge amount invested
> > in the shop and tools. Maybe $2,000 would replace shop and all, maybe a
> > bit more. But, $2,000 you don't have now, and probably won't for a long
> > time is a lot bigger than $2,000 you've got in the bank.
> >
> > So, I'm wondering about a smoke alarm in the shop. I'd have to
> > have a battery operated, and the cold would sap the battery. No prob
> > about that, I could just check it every time I went out.
> >
> > And, I probably won't be able to hear it inside the house. No prob
> > there, the noise would probably set the dog to barking, and I'd wind up
> > opening the door to holler at the dog, and hear the alarm.
> >
> > But, then I got to thinking, all the dust in the shop would either
> > set the alarm off all the time, or kill it entirely. So, I'm wondering
> > if any of you have an alarm in your shop, and how do you get around the
> > dust problem?
> >
> > The only thing that immediately pops into my mind, is make a cover
> > of some sort for it. Down side would be I'd probably forget to take the
> > cover off some time or another.
> >
> > Next thing was keep it in a box when I was working. Basically
> > same, probably forget to take it out of the box.
> >
> > The best thought so far, is make a box for it, paint it red, label
> > it SMOKE ALARM, and hang it right in front of the door, so it'll be very
> > hard to miss or forget. Then I could take it out of the box, and hang
> > it somewhere, maybe on the box itself.
> >
> > That, and get a pump sprayer of some type to keep in the shop.
> > Maybe one of those little 2-5 gallon garden type sprayers, pressurized
> > with a hand pum. I've seen the smaller ones for arount $5.
> >
> > Any successful thoughts?
> >
> > JOAT
> > People think that professional soldiers think a lot about fighting, but
> > serious professional soldiers think a lot more about food and a warm
> > place to sleep, because these are two things that are generally hard to
> > get, whereas fighting tends to turn up all the time.
> > - General Friit
> >
> > Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> > Web Page Update 30 Nov 2003.
> > Some tunes I like.
> > http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
> >
>
>

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:34:20 -0500, "Al Reid"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>I had my close call on Saturday. While I was vacuuming the shop, I picked up an ember that had apparently fallen from the wood
>stove. A few moments later smoke das coming from the shop vac exhaust port. Not, thinking, I popped the top of the vac and it
>burst into flame. Fortunately, I purchased a set of fire extinguishers about a month ago. Came in real handy. The only damage was
>to the filter.

Congrats on luck and quick thinking/action. Sooo, when does the
new style heater get installed?


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dave

JLJ21710 wrote:

>>Avoid Letterman and Leno; you will be offended.
>>
>
> Dave,
>
> Leno and Lettrman make jokes about individuals and groups who for one reason
> or another have put themselves in the public eye. You made generalized
> statements, not jokes, impling that all who live in modular housing are
> trash. There's a big difference. Plus looking at some of your previous
> posts, this isn't the first time you have done so. You are obviously a snob
> and I feel you owe this group an apology.
>
> Having disagreements with other people concerning tools is one thing but to
> conclude that "Rich" must live in a trailer because he said something vulgar
> to you is no different that saying that just because somebody is drunk, they
> must be irish (or any other stereotype). It's nothing more the economic
> prejudice. It doesn't belong here, even if you claim you were joking.
>
> Jo
>
>

if you CHOOSE to be offended, that's YOUR business. I'm not
apologizing. If you don't like my attitude, please feel free to plonk
me. In my very humble opinion, you are a thin-skinned redneck! :)

dave

JLJ21710 wrote:

>>Avoid Letterman and Leno; you will be offended.
>>
>
> Dave,
>
> Leno and Lettrman make jokes about individuals and groups who for one reason
> or another have put themselves in the public eye. You made generalized
> statements, not jokes, impling that all who live in modular housing are
> trash. There's a big difference. Plus looking at some of your previous
> posts, this isn't the first time you have done so. You are obviously a snob
> and I feel you owe this group an apology.
>
> Having disagreements with other people concerning tools is one thing but to
> conclude that "Rich" must live in a trailer because he said something vulgar
> to you is no different that saying that just because somebody is drunk, they
> must be irish (or any other stereotype). It's nothing more the economic
> prejudice. It doesn't belong here, even if you claim you were joking.
>
> Jo
>
>

> Avoid Letterman and Leno; you will be offended.
>
Dave,

Leno and Lettrman make jokes about individuals and groups who for one reason
or another have put themselves in the public eye. You made generalized
statements, not jokes, impling that all who live in modular housing are
trash. There's a big difference. Plus looking at some of your previous
posts, this isn't the first time you have done so. You are obviously a snob
and I feel you owe this group an apology.

Having disagreements with other people concerning tools is one thing but to
conclude that "Rich" must live in a trailer because he said something vulgar
to you is no different that saying that just because somebody is drunk, they
must be irish (or any other stereotype). It's nothing more the economic
prejudice. It doesn't belong here, even if you claim you were joking.

Jo

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> In my very humble opinion, you are a thin-skinned redneck! :)
>
> dave

Dave,

I assume that's another group you have a problem with. There's obviously a
pattern of self hatred going on here. I'm glad to see you think prejudice
is fine. I won't bother to reply again so we can just drop it here.
There's no talking to somebody as narrow minded as you appear to be.

Jo

you mind explaining to me what I said that prompted his off color
remark? all I mentioned were fire extinguishers and suggested that JOAT
get some. for that I should be boiled in oil? You are just as strange
as Rich. Thankfully the bulk of the folks here are not cut from the
same cloth as yourself. You DO make me glad I'm neither you nor Rich.
What a sad existence to find it necessary to hurl so many unjustified
insults. Try staying on topic for a change. The wreck has been quiet
lately as none of the miscreants have been up to their usual brick brat
hurling antics. You've just broken the peace. It's time to add you to
my meager list of two miscreants. (Course Rich is always a contender,
but he's gonna have to ramp up the rhetoric a bit before I pull the
cord). You gotta try really hard nowadays for me to give up on you, but
you managed, in one uncalled-for post, to push my button.

Don't bother to explain, as my first question asked, as I won't see you
again Henry not-so-saintly.

Sweet dreams.

dave

Henry St.Pierre wrote:

> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>you are truly a remarkable gentleman, Rich. I'm sure your folks are
>>proud of you, and support your literary achievements. Do they tape
>>copies of your posts to their refrigerator to show all their friends
>>what words you've learned in school? Is your trailer similarly
>>anointed with your efforts?
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Rich wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:<[email protected]>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>the "one"?
>>>>
>>>>I have 5 extinguishers in our house>
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's why your everybodies f***ing hero, dipshit!
>>
>
> Gee dave,
> You have a way of inviting this shit. Are you truly that naive or are you,
> as several have suggested, a troll? After reading a good portion of your
> posts and responses (I can't read them all because they are so numerous
> that I cant find the time), I feel you are either a very simple man, lead
> an extremely boring life or just like to bust balls. Don't have a problem
> with the busting balls part as I tend to do it myself.
> I don't agree with the "hero part", but it seems you go out of your ay to
> live up to the dipshit part. No offense meant.
> Regards,
> Hank
>
>
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Get the battry operated smoke alarm and dust it out when it falses. don't
worry about the cold it won't hurt as much as heat. Get a box of baking
soda or two or three to dump on the fire, cheaper then the sprayer and
doesn't freeze. a little vinger dumped on the soda will create a nice CO2
cloud that will put out a lot of non electrical fires.

I had my close call on Saturday. While I was vacuuming the shop, I picked up an ember that had apparently fallen from the wood
stove. A few moments later smoke das coming from the shop vac exhaust port. Not, thinking, I popped the top of the vac and it
burst into flame. Fortunately, I purchased a set of fire extinguishers about a month ago. Came in real handy. The only damage was
to the filter.

--
Al Reid

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure that just ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Sweet Sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Get the battry operated smoke alarm and dust it out when it falses. don't
> > worry about the cold it won't hurt as much as heat. Get a box of baking
> > soda or two or three to dump on the fire, cheaper then the sprayer and
> > doesn't freeze. a little vinger dumped on the soda will create a nice CO2
> > cloud that will put out a lot of non electrical fires.
>
> What a mess. At HD yesterday, they have a small fire extinguisher for $10.

"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> What a mess. At HD yesterday, they have a small fire extinguisher for
$10

Yes it does create a mess, but it meets two of Joats prime objectives, It
is cheap and has an acidic nature. A match made in heaven.

No new style heater. Just more careful about vacuuming around the wood burner. Perhaps I will go back to the broom and dust pan.
The wood is free, as I have 5 acres. Good application, stupid move on my part.

--
Al Reid

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure that just ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:34:20 -0500, "Al Reid"
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >I had my close call on Saturday. While I was vacuuming the shop, I picked up an ember that had apparently fallen from the wood
> >stove. A few moments later smoke das coming from the shop vac exhaust port. Not, thinking, I popped the top of the vac and it
> >burst into flame. Fortunately, I purchased a set of fire extinguishers about a month ago. Came in real handy. The only damage
was
> >to the filter.
>
> Congrats on luck and quick thinking/action. Sooo, when does the
> new style heater get installed?
>
>
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the "one"?

I have 5 extinguishers in our house, including the shop.

time to upgrade your safety equipment JOAT, or one day were gonna log
onto the Wreck and everyone is gonna go, "where's JOAT?".

dave

T. wrote:
snip

Not
> going to take the one out of the house.
>
>

FOR GOD'S SAKES, MAC, I'M JOKING! Do you know what a joke is? It's not
to be taken seriously! JEEZ! Are you related to Jo or just feeling
cranky today? LIGHTEN UP, DUDE!!

dave

Mac Backton wrote:

> "JLJ21710" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<M31Ab.2
>
>>what makes it OK to castigate people because they live in a "trailer".
>
>
> I normally just lurk here but have to speak up. My Father died when I
> was young and it was all my Mother could to keep our family together.
> We lived in a mobile home park along with a number of other fine
> families. We weren't white trash as BAD and the entire audience of
> Jerry Springer would have you believe. I'm appalled everytime I hear
> that reference being made.
>
> Mac Backton