Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
invented/introduced?
The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
Bandsaw, table saw - nope.
Sanders (drum to spindle) - nope.
A certain amount of enjoyment in 'dorking for me is around the history
involved.
Even for us Normite's.
Sawzall?
--
Greg
"Life isn't like a box of chocolates...it's more like a jar of
jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your a** tomorrow."
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
> and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
> dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
>
> Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
> invented/introduced?
> The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
>
> Bandsaw, table saw - nope.
> Sanders (drum to spindle) - nope.
>
> A certain amount of enjoyment in 'dorking for me is around the history
> involved.
> Even for us Normite's.
>
>
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 05:50:36 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Silvan wrote:
>
>>
>> Most recent new power thing I can think of is the Rotozip.
>>
>
>
>The rotozip is really just a die grinder with attachments.
>
>
>
>
>
>--
a _cheap_ die grinder with _hokey_ attachments....
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:00:22 -0600, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>mttt wrote:
>>>The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
>
>Bridger wrote:
>>20/30 years or so.
>
>
>1955 for Lamello (who are typically cited as the inventors
>but I've a suspicion that Lamello didn't actually invent the
>practice/technique/original tool for biscuit making but it's
>not something I can verify yet. Anyway, I think it might
>have been Lietz and I think it began life as a NeanderTool.
>
>UA100
I've taken apart a bunch of casing from the 1920-1930 era that had
miters fixed with "lemon splines". I don't know what tool they used
to produce the joint but the idea was there.
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nope. Not a template. This is a benchtop machine that cuts
> bow-tie recesses (5mm?) in the edge of a board. Do that to two
> boards, fit then together and slip in the tiny bow-tie. I've seen
> two models and don't remember the exact price - I think a tad
> over a thousand.
http://www.hoffmann-usa.com/htm/keys/dovekeys.htm
They've also got a doweling machine that's sort of like a biscut joiner.
Looks pretty interesting.
Then there's their tuh-ree touzin tree hunnert dollah miter saw...
mttt wrote:
>>The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
Bridger wrote:
>20/30 years or so.
1955 for Lamello (who are typically cited as the inventors
but I've a suspicion that Lamello didn't actually invent the
practice/technique/original tool for biscuit making but it's
not something I can verify yet. Anyway, I think it might
have been Lietz and I think it began life as a NeanderTool.
UA100
mttt asks:
>Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
>and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
>dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
>
Sure. That's why there's so much massive iron in the things.
>Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
>invented/introduced?
>The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
I think you're close there. Possibly that and the pocket hole machine such as
the one Porter-Cable makes. The router goes back nearly 100 years if you want
to get basic enough, so that's out. Of course, portable planers are only about
20 years old, but that's an adaptation, not really an invention. Combine a
universal motor with a narrow, lightweight planer and zing! Sell millions.
Careful picking up the newest ones, though, as they are now approaching or over
100 pounds as they hit the 13" mark.
Charlie Self
"Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Bridger wrote:
>a _cheap_ die grinder with _hokey_ attachments....
And speaking of which, any..., umm..., anyone want...,
well..., anyone want..., hmmm..., anyone want to..., well,
buy mine...?
UA100, semi-ashamed to admit falling for one of these when
he was doing some drywall work but not ashamed enough to not
try and make some money back onnit...
I guess I shouldn't really be surprised - but I am. That old? Really? I
gotta go research it now. Ahh jeez!
<hmm, searches...>
You're right of course, found a reference first hit in Giggle:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:gZzKuJV13d4J:www.milwaukeetool.com/us/en/about.nsf/vwFiles/milwaukee-story/%24FILE/MET_History-B.pdf%3FOpenElement+sawzall+history&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
or http://tinyurl.com/yw4up for lazy clickers.
Well, another day validated with learning, thanks for that. But what *would*
be the newest tool that is not just a variation of a theme then?
--
Greg
"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
> Depending on who you believe (at Milwaukee Electric Tool no
> less) that would be 1949 or 1951.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:46:50 GMT, "mttt" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Oddz of getting BAD to buy one, seem pretty good.
>I'll send the URL to him.
>
Yeah, but then he'll complain to us all about what a piece of crap it
is
-- jc
Published e-mail address is strictly for spam collection.
If e-mailing me, please use jc631 at optonline dot net
In article <[email protected]>, do-not-
[email protected] says...
> Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
> and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
> dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
>
> Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
> invented/introduced?
> The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
>
> Bandsaw, table saw - nope.
> Sanders (drum to spindle) - nope.
>
> A certain amount of enjoyment in 'dorking for me is around the history
> involved.
> Even for us Normite's.
>
>
>
Rotozip or metabo paint remover thingy with the blades,errrrrr....maffel
dowel jointer,small triangular bandsander from bosch.Trouble is the
machines might be new but the concept always revolves aroung a spindle
with a thing on the end of it to cut drill or rub the material away
Silvan wrote:
>
> Most recent new power thing I can think of is the Rotozip.
>
The rotozip is really just a die grinder with attachments.
--
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)
Charlie Self wrote:
> Morris Dovey asks:
>
>>How about the specialized bow-tie routing machine?
>
> You mean the templates? Template shapes are heavily variable. Can't call each
> new one an invention, I'd guess.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Nope. Not a template. This is a benchtop machine that cuts
bow-tie recesses (5mm?) in the edge of a board. Do that to two
boards, fit then together and slip in the tiny bow-tie. I've seen
two models and don't remember the exact price - I think a tad
over a thousand. Might become popular when the price comes down.
They look like they might hold promise for picture frames and
wall panel assembly and some other specialized assembly.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Morris Dovey responds:
>
>Nope. Not a template. This is a benchtop machine that cuts
>bow-tie recesses (5mm?) in the edge of a board. Do that to two
>boards, fit then together and slip in the tiny bow-tie. I've seen
>two models and don't remember the exact price - I think a tad
>over a thousand. Might become popular when the price comes down.
>They look like they might hold promise for picture frames and
>wall panel assembly and some other specialized assembly.
Haven't seen anything on that, but for a grand, I won't be looking. If they get
the price down around $150, there might be a hobbyist market. Might be.
Do you remember who the manufacturer is?
Charlie Self
"Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Morris Dovey wrote:
>Nope. Not a template. This is a benchtop machine that cuts
>bow-tie recesses (5mm?) in the edge of a board. Do that to two
>boards, fit then together and slip in the tiny bow-tie. I've seen
>two models and don't remember the exact price - I think a tad
>over a thousand. Might become popular when the price comes down.
>They look like they might hold promise for picture frames and
>wall panel assembly and some other specialized assembly.
Made by Hoffman?
UA100
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:30:51 -0600, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>Power miter box?
>>I don't remember seeing one before 20 or so years ago. IIRC
>
>Well, no. Rockwell (Delta) claims to be the first but
>Tannewitz (a word meaning very, very, very good
>wooddorking machinery) pre-dated the Rockwell
>(Delta). Exact dates are not at my finger tips.
>
>UA100
Back in about 1970 I worked for a carpenter that had a power miter
saw. It was a belt drive, all blue, probably anodized aluminum unit.
Had a lever thing under the saw (about where now they have the angle
adjust) that operated it. A little round chrome power switch right
there on top this lever. Don't recall the name but Tannewitz doesn't
ring a bell.
--
John, in Minnesota
In article <[email protected]>, do-not-
[email protected] says...
>
> Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
> invented/introduced?
> The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
>
How old is the compound sliding miter saw? Of course, it could
be considered a variant of a radial arm saw, which could be a
variant of the sawmill circular saw, etc. ...
Did you know someone once claimed to have found circular saw
marks on a block from an Egyptian pyramid?
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
"p_j" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1g9f67l.iik9rt109zf22N%[email protected]...
>
>
> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Nope. Not a template. This is a benchtop machine that cuts
> > bow-tie recesses (5mm?) in the edge of a board. Do that to two
> > boards, fit then together and slip in the tiny bow-tie. I've seen
> > two models and don't remember the exact price - I think a tad
> > over a thousand.
>
> http://www.hoffmann-usa.com/htm/keys/dovekeys.htm
>
Oddz of getting BAD to buy one, seem pretty good.
I'll send the URL to him.
[ Someday, BAD will tell me the name of his broker. Unless it's the same one
Martha used. ]
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Did you know someone once claimed to have found circular saw
> marks on a block from an Egyptian pyramid?
Right next to the empty wrappers of Martian Power Bars.
mttt responds:
>"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Did you know someone once claimed to have found circular saw
>> marks on a block from an Egyptian pyramid?
>
>Right next to the empty wrappers of Martian Power Bars.
And those were on top of Coke bottles.
Charlie Self
"Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:47:12 GMT, "mttt" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
>and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
>dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
>
>Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
>invented/introduced?
the main advancements have involved attaching computers to the
machines to control them
>The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
20/30 years or so.
>
>Bandsaw, table saw - nope.
>Sanders (drum to spindle) - nope.
>
>A certain amount of enjoyment in 'dorking for me is around the history
>involved.
>Even for us Normite's.
>
John, in MN wrote:
>Back in about 1970 I worked for a carpenter that had a power miter
>saw. It was a belt drive, all blue, probably anodized aluminum unit.
>Had a lever thing under the saw (about where now they have the angle
>adjust) that operated it. A little round chrome power switch right
>there on top this lever. Don't recall the name but Tannewitz doesn't
>ring a bell.
That would have probably been the Rockwell (Delta) and not
the Tannewitz.
I did find the literature I was looking for on the
Tannewitz. The date for this, as you will read, is 1926
which kinda blows Rockwell/Delta much later claim away.
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?id=78
UA100
Groggy wrote:
> Sawzall?
Most recent new power thing I can think of is the Rotozip.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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p_j wrote:
> http://www.hoffmann-usa.com/htm/keys/dovekeys.htm
Yuppers. There are pix and prices at
http://www.hoffmann-usa.com/htm/dove_machines/standard_overview.htm
These critters appear to be well thought out, well designed, and
well built. I think it's a fairly new product type and until
there's competition, they've priced themselves out of my range.
On the other hand, the concept /is/ pretty slick. I've been
wondering if I should order some of their keys and a matching
router bit - and experiment a bit with the equipment already in
my shop...
Anyway, I think this might be a bit more recent development than
the biscuit cutter.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Unisaw A100 wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>>Anyway, I think this might be a bit more recent development than
>>the biscuit cutter.
>
> It could be argued that it's a dovetail machine with a loose
> dovetail. Dovetail machines are over a century old.
>
> I don't think there much of anything new outside of
> innovations.
Probably true. Probably also true that everything is a variation
(or combination of variations) of the lever.
In the OP's context of recent power tool developments, I think
these gizmos /are/ fairly recent. (-:
--
Morris Dovey
West Des Moines, Iowa USA
Pocket hole machine maybe? Dunno actually.......hhmmmmmm now ya got me
thinking and thats not good.........Maybe a biscuit cutter yes? You may be
right.
Jim
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Surfin' OWWM; reading and learning. I was a tad surprised to see "planers"
> and "jointers" from the turn of the century. Like so many "kidz these
> dayz" - I thought our generation had invented most of this stuff.
>
> Got me to wondering - what are the more recent power tools
> invented/introduced?
> The Biscuit/Plate joiner is pretty new, right?
>
> Bandsaw, table saw - nope.
> Sanders (drum to spindle) - nope.
>
> A certain amount of enjoyment in 'dorking for me is around the history
> involved.
> Even for us Normite's.
>
>