hi,
I am not sure if this is the right group to ask, but since everyone
sounds like a pro at what they do, I thought I'll try.
I've purchased 2 sets of In-ceiling speakers I'd like to install in
the kitchen. We live in a "typical" Canadian suburban house with
basement, ground level (where the kitchen and the living room are) and
second floor. I'd like to know how I'd bring the speaker wire from the
living room where the stereo is to the kitchen ceiling. Has anyone
done this sort of thing? Where I am not sure is the 'fishing' the line
part. How do I bring the wire up to the kitchen ceiling when the roof
is stud construction?
Thanks.
apkesh
Hi Thomas,
thanks for the info. But how does one 'fish' the wire? Both kitchen
and living room (where the stereo is) are on the ground floor. On the
second floor are the bedrooms. thanks.
ap
Thomas Kendrick <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Since the kitchen ceiling is just below the flooring of the second
> floor, would this work for you:
>
> - fish wire down the first floor wall behind the stereo from the
> second floor;
> - run the wire around the second floor walls just above the baseboard
> from just above the stereo to just above the speakers;
> - drop wire into the space between the first floor ceiling and the
> second floor floor.
>
> It may be desirable to cut access panels in the floor of the second
> floor, just above each speaker, in order to install and service each
> speaker. Cut carefully, then frame under the cuts to form a lip for
> the panels to rest on, as it may be in a traffic area and thus,
> load-bearing.
>
> Though the roof is stud construction, since there is a second floor
> above the kitchen, how is the roof a concern? Is the area above the
> kitchen used for human occupancy or is it an attic for storage?
>
>
> On 24 Jan 2004 11:49:51 -0800, [email protected] (Apkesh) wrote:
>
> >hi,
> >I am not sure if this is the right group to ask, but since everyone
> >sounds like a pro at what they do, I thought I'll try.
> >
> >I've purchased 2 sets of In-ceiling speakers I'd like to install in
> >the kitchen. We live in a "typical" Canadian suburban house with
> >basement, ground level (where the kitchen and the living room are) and
> >second floor. I'd like to know how I'd bring the speaker wire from the
> >living room where the stereo is to the kitchen ceiling. Has anyone
> >done this sort of thing? Where I am not sure is the 'fishing' the line
> >part. How do I bring the wire up to the kitchen ceiling when the roof
> >is stud construction?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >apkesh
Most home centers, hardware stores and electrical supply stores carry
an item called fish tape or fish rod. Fish tape is a length of
spring-steel wire (or tape) sufficiently stiff that it can be pushed
down a hole in the top of a wall. At the end is a small loop.
Once the wire is pushed down the wall cavity and is located in the
wall, another hole is cut in the wall behind the stereo. By attaching
the actual speaker wire to the loop at the end of the tape, the
speaker wire is pulled up inside the wall cavity when the fishing wire
is retrieved by pulling it back from the second floor.
Fish tape is about $15 for a 50' spool. Fishing rod is usually a set
of fiberglass sections which can be connected to form a stiff pole
which can also be pushed down the wall.
On 25 Jan 2004 16:05:23 -0800, [email protected] (Apkesh) wrote:
>Hi Thomas,
>thanks for the info. But how does one 'fish' the wire? Both kitchen
>and living room (where the stereo is) are on the ground floor. On the
>second floor are the bedrooms. thanks.
>ap
>
>
>Thomas Kendrick <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Since the kitchen ceiling is just below the flooring of the second
>> floor, would this work for you:
>>
>> - fish wire down the first floor wall behind the stereo from the
>> second floor;
>> - run the wire around the second floor walls just above the baseboard
>> from just above the stereo to just above the speakers;
>> - drop wire into the space between the first floor ceiling and the
>> second floor floor.
>>
>> It may be desirable to cut access panels in the floor of the second
>> floor, just above each speaker, in order to install and service each
>> speaker. Cut carefully, then frame under the cuts to form a lip for
>> the panels to rest on, as it may be in a traffic area and thus,
>> load-bearing.
>>
>> Though the roof is stud construction, since there is a second floor
>> above the kitchen, how is the roof a concern? Is the area above the
>> kitchen used for human occupancy or is it an attic for storage?
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jan 2004 11:49:51 -0800, [email protected] (Apkesh) wrote:
>>
>> >hi,
>> >I am not sure if this is the right group to ask, but since everyone
>> >sounds like a pro at what they do, I thought I'll try.
>> >
>> >I've purchased 2 sets of In-ceiling speakers I'd like to install in
>> >the kitchen. We live in a "typical" Canadian suburban house with
>> >basement, ground level (where the kitchen and the living room are) and
>> >second floor. I'd like to know how I'd bring the speaker wire from the
>> >living room where the stereo is to the kitchen ceiling. Has anyone
>> >done this sort of thing? Where I am not sure is the 'fishing' the line
>> >part. How do I bring the wire up to the kitchen ceiling when the roof
>> >is stud construction?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >apkesh
"Thomas Kendrick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Most home centers, hardware stores and electrical supply stores carry
> an item called fish tape or fish rod. Fish tape is a length of
> spring-steel wire (or tape) sufficiently stiff that it can be pushed
> down a hole in the top of a wall. At the end is a small loop.
> Once the wire is pushed down the wall cavity and is located in the
> wall, another hole is cut in the wall behind the stereo. By attaching
> the actual speaker wire to the loop at the end of the tape, the
> speaker wire is pulled up inside the wall cavity when the fishing wire
> is retrieved by pulling it back from the second floor.
> Fish tape is about $15 for a 50' spool. Fishing rod is usually a set
> of fiberglass sections which can be connected to form a stiff pole
> which can also be pushed down the wall.
>
> On 25 Jan 2004 16:05:23 -0800, [email protected] (Apkesh) wrote:
>
> >Hi Thomas,
> >thanks for the info. But how does one 'fish' the wire? Both kitchen
> >and living room (where the stereo is) are on the ground floor. On the
> >second floor are the bedrooms. thanks.
> >ap
> >
> >
> >Thomas Kendrick <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >> Since the kitchen ceiling is just below the flooring of the second
> >> floor, would this work for you:
> >>
> >> - fish wire down the first floor wall behind the stereo from the
> >> second floor;
> >> - run the wire around the second floor walls just above the baseboard
> >> from just above the stereo to just above the speakers;
> >> - drop wire into the space between the first floor ceiling and the
> >> second floor floor.
> >>
> >> It may be desirable to cut access panels in the floor of the second
> >> floor, just above each speaker, in order to install and service each
> >> speaker. Cut carefully, then frame under the cuts to form a lip for
> >> the panels to rest on, as it may be in a traffic area and thus,
> >> load-bearing.
> >>
> >> Though the roof is stud construction, since there is a second floor
> >> above the kitchen, how is the roof a concern? Is the area above the
> >> kitchen used for human occupancy or is it an attic for storage?
In my situation, my second floor joists ran perpendicular between the
speakers and parallel wire routing was not an option. This made the use of
a fish tape only possible for one speaker. Directly above is an oak
hardwood floor, so top access was impossible without ruining the floor. I
had to carefully cut a 1 ft wide piece of drywall between both speakers,
leaving the location of the intended holes intact. This allowed me to
easily access behind the speakers while mounting, etc. I had to drill a
hole through each joist between the speakers to feed the wires through. I
was able to screw the original piece of cut drywall back into place and tape
it up nicely. (Even if you ruin the original, it's easy to cut new pieces.)
It's not as hard as it sounds, but if you feel uncomfortable doing it, you
can just hire a drywall guy to do the finishing touches at a fairly
reasonable price. (It's not a lot of work after, especially after the
pieces are screwed back in.)
Since the kitchen ceiling is just below the flooring of the second
floor, would this work for you:
- fish wire down the first floor wall behind the stereo from the
second floor;
- run the wire around the second floor walls just above the baseboard
from just above the stereo to just above the speakers;
- drop wire into the space between the first floor ceiling and the
second floor floor.
It may be desirable to cut access panels in the floor of the second
floor, just above each speaker, in order to install and service each
speaker. Cut carefully, then frame under the cuts to form a lip for
the panels to rest on, as it may be in a traffic area and thus,
load-bearing.
Though the roof is stud construction, since there is a second floor
above the kitchen, how is the roof a concern? Is the area above the
kitchen used for human occupancy or is it an attic for storage?
On 24 Jan 2004 11:49:51 -0800, [email protected] (Apkesh) wrote:
>hi,
>I am not sure if this is the right group to ask, but since everyone
>sounds like a pro at what they do, I thought I'll try.
>
>I've purchased 2 sets of In-ceiling speakers I'd like to install in
>the kitchen. We live in a "typical" Canadian suburban house with
>basement, ground level (where the kitchen and the living room are) and
>second floor. I'd like to know how I'd bring the speaker wire from the
>living room where the stereo is to the kitchen ceiling. Has anyone
>done this sort of thing? Where I am not sure is the 'fishing' the line
>part. How do I bring the wire up to the kitchen ceiling when the roof
>is stud construction?
>
>Thanks.
>apkesh