Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
to be a soldier of Christ.
Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
"dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
name.
Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
him.
I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
stone.
First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
list.
Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
-JB
I do have to admit, Dave, I do enjoy Tom's offbeat humor. It lightens
the mood sometimes, in his odd sort of way....... Mark L.
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> nice deflection Tom. are you upset he could be one of you miscreants?
>
> dave
>
> Tom Watson wrote:
> we now return you to your regular channel)
>
>>
>> BTW - The final stage of an organized troll attack is for the trolls
>> to disguise themselves as regular members of the NG.
>>
>
for God's sakes, dave, WHAT ELSE IS NEW? They may not LIKE
me but the idiots and miscreants should know I don't LIE.
Don't need to. I've got nothing to hide. There are two
people on this NG who habitually lie and I have been going
toe to toe with one of them. Can't respect a liar.
dave
dave in fairfax wrote:
Now, I don't for a moment believe
> that he posts regularly under any name. He isn't in the Bay Area,
> so it looks like TWSRUN was unfairly (possible?) suspected.
> Dave in Fairfax
Normally, I'd ignore this, but one sentence in your email absolutely
infuriated me.
JB, if you don't like it here, go away. Simple.
The key to freedom is choice. Try it.
Andy
P.S. Plonk!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
>
Wed, May 5, 2004, 10:49pm (EDT+6) [email protected]
says:
<snip> I don't want to hear that sleazy language when I read it. I am a
very devoted Christian, and is my duty to be a soldier of Christ. <snip>
I thought it was spelled "sleezy". LOL I take it you've never
heard devout Christians, swearing like horse soldiers then.
I take it too, when you hit your thumb with a hammer, you just jump
up and down and say, "Oh goodness, I hit my thumb".
I don't consider myself Christian, which really irks my mother, I
consider myself spiritual, instead. I don't swear much, except when I
hit my thumb, or am puzzled, or tired, or hot, or cold, or hungry, or
too full, or horny, well you get the idea. But, those time isn't really
swearing, it's just saying a cuss word or two. On the times I do
actually swear, I mean really swear, not just a word or two I usually do
a very good job of it. Usually tho, I like to try to show proper
respect for the Woodworking Gods.
But, on occassion, nothing else is qujite as appropriate.
Out of curiosity, I dood a google on Charlie, and the word that
can't be said. Came up with 11 hits. I think he only wrote the
forbidden word in one, the rest were in quotes, written by other people,
he was replying to. Interesting.
JOAT
If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then giving Fido only two of them.
- Phil Pastoret
In article <1083790222_92@LocalHost>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
Posting through another anonymous mail-to-news gateway.
Published filters have been updated.
Leon wrote:
> Cross post to this group and I will sue you too.
Maybe we can get a class action suit going.
Oh BTW Jeremy, if in fact that is who you are, add this to your
banned terms list, FOAD. I don't need or want your help in
deciding how to abridge the 1st amendment.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
> Dave Hinz wrote:
> >If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
> >your previous posts here were made under,
LRod wrote:
> Does the phrase "in his name" ring a bell?
> That's my bet. And just as full of shit regardless of which fucking
> name he uses.
Maybe, but for a "Christian" his ramblings are mighty obscene. I
did a search on @Plushrecordings and look at wat I found (mind the
wordwrap):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&q=%40plushrecordings.net&btnG=Search&meta=
Take a look at the bottom of the first page. This guy is in now
position to be telling anyone how to talk. Looks like time for a
filter addition, to bad the source can't be deleted.
You can find Jeremy on www.anywho.com BTW, just put in his first
and last and FL as the state. He doesn't live where
Plushrecordings is addressed. Now, I don't for a moment believe
that he posts regularly under any name. He isn't in the Bay Area,
so it looks like TWSRUN was unfairly (possible?) suspected.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
[email protected] wrote:
> most of the results of your google search came through nym.alias.net.
> if JB is what he claims to be, a self righteous wannabe censor of
> usenet he'd be a obvious target for trolls. if you are that, Jeremy,
> here's a quote from one of your usenet providers:
> and if he's trolling under his own name he's not covering his tracks
> very well.
> here's the whois info for the actual mr baird: somebody might want to
> call him up and see if he is in fact making these posts.
I did call him and we talked. He's never heard of the usenet, and
is now upset and worried, I afraid. When he sees the google that
comes up under his company anme he's likely to be even more
upset. Someone is trolling in his name as suspected. Now that
probably IS actionable. I guess we need to stop thinking about Mr
Baird and play whack-a-troll.
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
oh no, not the guy who wanted donations 2 years ago for a
death in the family. MIKE ZUCHICK?? AAARGH! No! Let it be
anyone but HIM. Lord, deliver us from EVIL!!!
dave
LRod wrote:
> On 5 May 2004 21:43:06 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:07 +0200, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty to be a soldier of Christ.
>
>
>>If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
>>your previous posts here were made under,
>
>
> Does the phrase "in his name" ring a bell?
>
> That's my bet. And just as full of shit regardless of which fucking
> name he uses.
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
did we really get rid of him?? isn't he just taking a
breather? I haven't read anything from or about him in a
while. I hope he got locked up.
dave
Mark L. wrote:
> OK, we all have to admit this jackass is just pulling our collective
> chains here. I, for one, will be ignoring him in the future. Maybe if
> we ignore this little turd, he will go away.
>
> Damn, just when we were rid of that Dizum idiot..... Mark L.
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Here is the first part of the follow-up about
>
>
What is the real problem here ?
Did someone's feelings get hurt over a few swear words. If you do not
like it IGNORE it. It is that simple OK.
I am not a Christian but I have to put up with all the god bless this
and that but I chose to IGNORE it because I believe in freedom of speech and
that everyone has the right to it. I swear like a drunken sailor on leave
around the shop. But when I am having a discussion on a news group I refrain
from swearing as it usually just takes away from the topic at hand . But I
am not going to jump up and down stamping my feet because somebody posts
some swearing. If you do not like it try first to IGNORE IT or even better
try a filter. You sound like that shoots his mouth off to a person twice
your stature and then screams touch me and I'll sue in my opinion .
I have some words for you PISS OFF AND BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS.
IN NICER WORDS GO AWAY YOU BOTHER ME BOY.
CHRIS
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
>
wait a minute! Charlie is threatening "Jeremy"?? That's
hilarious. He was whining like the big baby that he is when
he asked if I was threatening HIM (the silly editor thing).
That's a hoot! My comment over on the photo NG was an off
the cuff rhetorical silliness that had no connection with
any intent on my part. I had included that comment just to
TRY to get him to see the absurdity of him flailing away on
line as he does. He can be quite abusive. So can I. I
don't make my living as a writer.
dave
Frank McVey wrote:
> Semper Fi, Charlie.
>
> Cheers'
>
> Frank
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
>
>>Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>>
>>First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
>>anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
>>be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
>>tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
>>Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
>>participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
>>breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
>>language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
>>to be a soldier of Christ.
>>
>>Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
>>this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
>>regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
>>lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
>>handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
>>swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
>>"dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
>>went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
>>name.
>>
>>Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
>>any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
>>understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
>>out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
>>bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
>>slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
>>come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
>>prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
>>Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
>>F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
>>Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
>>dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
>>upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
>>stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
>>him.
>>
>>I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
>>guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
>>thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>>
>>One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
>>discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
>>hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
>>language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
>>stone.
>>
>>First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
>>with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
>>anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
>>and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
>>robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
>>list.
>>
>>Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
>>mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
>>will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
>>be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>>
>>I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
>>and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
>>keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
>>we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>>
>>-JB
>>
>
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[email protected] wrote:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to
> to be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as
> Charlie tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our
> friend Bay Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day
> to participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT
> coffee breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that
> sleazy language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is
> my duty to be a soldier of Christ.
>
Move Onward, Christian Soldier!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
SNIP OF CRAP
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
Cross post to this group and I will sue you too.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
<snip>
Get used to it, get over it or get the hell out!
'nuff said!
you aren't??
dave
Wood Butcher wrote:
> Thank you for clearing it up that you really ARE just a vocal asshole
> with a biased opinion.
>
> Art
>
>
> <[email protected]> spewed forth an
> incredible pile of self righteous sanctimonious bullshit ...
> <snip>
>
>
LOL! I applaud your cogent argument for decency in language
around here; however I'm wondering if I'll be permitted the
continued usage of my favorite terms; miscreant, scumsucker,
slimeball, moron, and...gee is that all the derogatory words
I use?...oh yeah, idiot. I apologize if this list is
incomplete. The memory is the 3rd thing to go.
I'm not sure you sincerely agree with my standing up against
the good ole boys club but if you really are serious, I'm in
awe of your bucking the trend to pile on ala mob mentality.
If you are mocking me, well, what's new?? I would have
preferred that you had not take my complaint about Charlie's
foul mouth to such heights with your earlier thread but hey,
I'm not the net cop here. There are plenty others who'll
fill those shoes.
dave
[email protected] wrote:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
>
OK, we all have to admit this jackass is just pulling our collective
chains here. I, for one, will be ignoring him in the future. Maybe if
we ignore this little turd, he will go away.
Damn, just when we were rid of that Dizum idiot..... Mark L.
[email protected] wrote:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about
>
huh?
dave
Paul Kierstead wrote:
> In article <1083790222_92@LocalHost>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> <snip>
>
>>I don't want to hear that sleazy
>>language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
>>to be a soldier of Christ.
>
>
> I am not so sure; although the temptation to always drag that board over
> to the powah jointer is strong, it is not always the best choice.
> Sometimes it is more effective to just use a handtool. Do you have any
> hand planes? A jointer (#7 or #8) can straighten the edge of a board
> remarkably quickly. Even a jack plane can do a very good job and they
> are cheap'n'easy to come by. You might wanna try it out.
>
> If you have any more questions, just ask.
[email protected] said:
> I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
<snip>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
Freaking awesome! Bonus points for co-opting mythology.
Troll-Quality-o-meter®
Pathetic Reeling 'em in
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
!----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----!
/\
!!
--
Sincerely,
The Vice President
Hey you;
I am a grown man and I don't need you to protect me from anything.
I don't want you or anyone else to tell me what morals I should
adhere to.
Peddle your censurship some where else.
Dan
PS. Plonk
[email protected] wrote in
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self
> issue.
>
I simply want to increase the awareness of his
> readers' understanding of the complete Charlie Self.
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such
> explicit language in this newsgroup.
>
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up,
> once and for all, for the benefit of everyone here.
>
> -JB
>
For some reason the first post did not seem to go through sorry if this is a
repost
What is the real problem here ?
Did someone's feelings get hurt over a few swear words. If you do not
like it IGNORE it. It is that simple OK.
I am not a Christian but I have to put up with all the god bless this
and that but I chose to IGNORE it because I believe in freedom of speech and
that everyone has the right to it. I swear like a drunken sailor on leave
around the shop. But when I am having a discussion on a news group I refrain
from swearing as it usually just takes away from the topic at hand . But I
am not going to jump up and down stamping my feet because somebody posts
some swearing. If you do not like it try first to IGNORE IT or even better
try a filter. You sound like that shoots his mouth off to a person twice
your stature and then screams touch me and I'll sue in my opinion .
I have some words for you PISS OFF AND BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS.
IN NICER WORDS GO AWAY YOU BOTHER ME BOY.
CHRIS
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
>
On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:07 +0200, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
Why?
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post.
I doubt it.
> The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return.
I doubt it.
(snip of lots more of the same)
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
Why not make your own moderated group for you and your friends,
then? You can hold your mutual admiration society meetings there.
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language.
Charlie contributes here, has been for years. You, on the other hand,
may or may not be just wandering in here to make noise & hassle.
Compare and contrast those.
> If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs.
The scene: abuse desk at an ISP. Mail beeps.
"Hi, your customer said a naughty word on Usenet. You must cancel
their account, because our newsgroup's charter says so."
Tech: WTF is this? Some whiner about "the F word" on a newsgroup. Get
real. <delete>
> Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
Great, so set up your moderated group right away. Solves so many
problems.
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
That's nice.
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here.
Uh huh. Leadership consists of more than going and telling mom. If
you want to form a moderated ww group, go for it. Oddly enough, though,
the moderators make or break a moderated group. So often, it turns out
that the people who mis-run a moderated group, are the ones who were,
ahem, causing the problems in the unmoderated group in the first place.
> Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
Right, so you keep trying to equate our recent troll infestation with
Charlie's contributions here. One of these things is not like the other,
can you spot the distinction? Try hard.
If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
your previous posts here were made under, so the relative merits of
your contributions, and Charlies, could be compared. Without that,
you're just some guy claiming to be some guy coming in to save us
from something we don't need saving from.
Semper Fi, Charlie.
Cheers'
Frank
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
>
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Oops, sorry for quoting him as well - too many years and too many beers!
"Frank McVey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Semper Fi, Charlie.
>
> Cheers'
>
> Frank
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> > Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
> >
> > First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> > anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> > be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> > tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> > Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> > participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> > breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> > language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> > to be a soldier of Christ.
> >
> > Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> > this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> > regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> > lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> > handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> > swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> > "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> > went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> > name.
> >
> > Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> > any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> > understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> > out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> > bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> > slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> > come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> > prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> > Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> > F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> > Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> > dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> > upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> > stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> > him.
> >
> > I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> > guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> > thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
> >
> > One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> > discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> > hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> > language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> > stone.
> >
> > First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> > with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> > anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> > and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> > robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> > list.
> >
> > Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> > mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> > will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> > be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
> >
> > I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> > and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> > keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> > we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
> >
> > -JB
> >
>
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In small doses, and on some occasions I've gotten a kick
from his posts, but more often than not they are always
based on kicking someone when they are down. He likes to
jump in after everyone else has done their share of sniping.
dave
Mark L. wrote:
> I do have to admit, Dave, I do enjoy Tom's offbeat humor. It lightens
> the mood sometimes, in his odd sort of way....... Mark L.
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> nice deflection Tom. are you upset he could be one of you miscreants?
>>
>> dave
>>
>> Tom Watson wrote:
>> we now return you to your regular channel)
>>
>>>
>>> BTW - The final stage of an organized troll attack is for the trolls
>>> to disguise themselves as regular members of the NG.
>>>
>>
>
Thank you for clearing it up that you really ARE just a vocal asshole
with a biased opinion.
Art
<[email protected]> spewed forth an
incredible pile of self righteous sanctimonious bullshit ...
<snip>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1083790222_92@LocalHost...
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
> anyone with my last post. The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
> be flamed in return. My intentions were not malicious either, as Charlie
> tried to spin it. I happen to share the opinion which our friend Bay
> Area Dave pointed out. I check in here once or twice a day to
> participate in woodworking discussion, with the occasional OT coffee
> breaks, like everyone else here. I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
>
> Some of you may think that I am not qualified to offer an opinion on
> this matter because you are under the false impression that I am not a
> regular of the wreck. Well, I happen to be a regular poster (not just a
> lurker) in both rec.photo.digital and here. You all know me by the
> handle I use here. Why didn't I post my dissent against Charlie's
> swine-like rhetoric under my usual screen name? We all know that the
> "dog pack" in here is a machine that can't easily be called off. So I
> went yet a step further, and I decided to post my views under my real
> name.
>
> Charlie is talking about trying to sue me...so be it. I am not making up
> any lies. I simply want to increase the awareness of his readers'
> understanding of the complete Charlie Self. Like some people pointed
> out, let them make up their own minds whether he is a lowlife slime
> bucket or not. My campaign will point out the facts. Examples of what a
> slob Charlie can be in a public forum, where women and children also
> come to learn. This newsgroup is not just a big sausage party of old
> prunes, even though there is a high percentage of middle age+ men here.
> Charlie tries to defend his image by pointing out that he only used the
> F*** word half of 30 times in this NG. Well I got news for you Mr.
> Slimeball, that is 15 times too many in my book. And there are other
> dreadful words and phrases besides just the F word that you have spewed
> upon us. Look out for my next follow-up with the complete details and
> stats, along with some suggestions about how to get the word out about
> him.
>
> I would also like to applaud our friend Bay Area Dave for having the
> guts to face the dog pack, and point out what (I'm sure) many of us were
> thinking about Charlie all along, but were afraid to speak out.
>
> One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
> discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
> hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
> language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
> stone.
>
> First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
> with his language. If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
> anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
> and that can be actionable by ISPs. Eventually, we can even set up a
> robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
> list.
>
> Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
> mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
> will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
> be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.
>
> I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
> and for all, for the benefit of everyone here. Not only do we need to
> keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
> we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.
>
> -JB
And which books have you had banned at the library? Please do not help me. I
can act for myself very well, thank you!
TinWoodsmn
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Under this cloak they seek to foment internecine strife amongst the
> populace.
>
> But, we've seen this kinda shit before.
>
And yet, somehow, after all that has gone on, some folks still don't know
enough to ignore this shit. At this rate, it will be here for as long as
the newsgroup is here.
Frank
if what you say is true (far be it from me to make THAT
judgment) I can quit worrying that that freak Zuchick (or
Zuchich, whatever) is gonna bug us again...
Isn't it irresponsible for you to post someone's personal
information? Who is the troll now?
dave
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:18:06 GMT, dave in fairfax <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Dave Hinz wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
>>>>your previous posts here were made under,
>>
>>LRod wrote:
>>
>>>Does the phrase "in his name" ring a bell?
>>>That's my bet. And just as full of shit regardless of which fucking
>>>name he uses.
>>
>>Maybe, but for a "Christian" his ramblings are mighty obscene. I
>>did a search on @Plushrecordings and look at wat I found (mind the
>>wordwrap):
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&q=%40plushrecordings.net&btnG=Search&meta=
>>Take a look at the bottom of the first page. This guy is in now
>>position to be telling anyone how to talk. Looks like time for a
>>filter addition, to bad the source can't be deleted.
>>You can find Jeremy on www.anywho.com BTW, just put in his first
>>and last and FL as the state. He doesn't live where
>>Plushrecordings is addressed. Now, I don't for a moment believe
>>that he posts regularly under any name. He isn't in the Bay Area,
>>so it looks like TWSRUN was unfairly (possible?) suspected.
>>Dave in Fairfax
>
>
> most of the results of your google search came through nym.alias.net.
> if JB is what he claims to be, a self righteous wannabe censor of
> usenet he'd be a obvious target for trolls. if you are that, Jeremy,
> here's a quote from one of your usenet providers:
>
>
> *********************************************
> There are many groups on Usenet where people talk about socially
> unacceptable, and sometimes, illegal activities. We do NOT support
> these activities. The fact that we refuse to block these groups is NOT
> a sign of support for the activities. It is a sign that we 1) support
> the right for people to talk about these subjects, and 2) that
> removing groups is the wrong solution to the social problems which are
> at the heart of these issues. Usenet is not the cause of the
> underlying social problems, and removing the groups will not solve the
> problem, it will only hide it. Hiding a problem is never the right
> solution. It is always better to expose these problems to the light of
> day than to hide them back in a dark corner. And Usenet, being a
> world-wide public discussion forum, is about as much in the "light of
> day" as you can get on the Internet.
> ***************************************************
>
> you see, usenet is not going to be receptive to your calls for
> cencorship. if you don't ever want to see the word "fuck" on your
> computer screen, disconnect it from the internet. better yet, turn it
> off and find some other hobbies.
>
>
>
>
> and if he's trolling under his own name he's not covering his tracks
> very well.
>
> he's using 2 different accounts to post from, yi.net and
> newsreader.com. one of them is one used by a known troll, and the
> style is similar to that troll.
>
> here's the whois info for the actual mr baird: somebody might want to
> call him up and see if he is in fact making these posts.
>
>
> Registrant:
> Plush Recordings Inc.
> 19370 Collins Ave.
> #1624
> Sunny Isles Beach, FL 33160
> US
> 305 772 0338
>
>
> Domain Name: PLUSHRECORDINGS.NET
> contact:
> Baird, Jeremy [email protected]
> 19370 Collins Ave.
> #1624
> Sunny Isles Beach, FL 33160
> US
> 305 772 0338
On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:18:06 GMT, dave in fairfax <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>> >If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
>> >your previous posts here were made under,
>
>LRod wrote:
>> Does the phrase "in his name" ring a bell?
>> That's my bet. And just as full of shit regardless of which fucking
>> name he uses.
>
>Maybe, but for a "Christian" his ramblings are mighty obscene. I
>did a search on @Plushrecordings and look at wat I found (mind the
>wordwrap):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&q=%40plushrecordings.net&btnG=Search&meta=
>Take a look at the bottom of the first page. This guy is in now
>position to be telling anyone how to talk. Looks like time for a
>filter addition, to bad the source can't be deleted.
>You can find Jeremy on www.anywho.com BTW, just put in his first
>and last and FL as the state. He doesn't live where
>Plushrecordings is addressed. Now, I don't for a moment believe
>that he posts regularly under any name. He isn't in the Bay Area,
>so it looks like TWSRUN was unfairly (possible?) suspected.
>Dave in Fairfax
most of the results of your google search came through nym.alias.net.
if JB is what he claims to be, a self righteous wannabe censor of
usenet he'd be a obvious target for trolls. if you are that, Jeremy,
here's a quote from one of your usenet providers:
*********************************************
There are many groups on Usenet where people talk about socially
unacceptable, and sometimes, illegal activities. We do NOT support
these activities. The fact that we refuse to block these groups is NOT
a sign of support for the activities. It is a sign that we 1) support
the right for people to talk about these subjects, and 2) that
removing groups is the wrong solution to the social problems which are
at the heart of these issues. Usenet is not the cause of the
underlying social problems, and removing the groups will not solve the
problem, it will only hide it. Hiding a problem is never the right
solution. It is always better to expose these problems to the light of
day than to hide them back in a dark corner. And Usenet, being a
world-wide public discussion forum, is about as much in the "light of
day" as you can get on the Internet.
***************************************************
you see, usenet is not going to be receptive to your calls for
cencorship. if you don't ever want to see the word "fuck" on your
computer screen, disconnect it from the internet. better yet, turn it
off and find some other hobbies.
and if he's trolling under his own name he's not covering his tracks
very well.
he's using 2 different accounts to post from, yi.net and
newsreader.com. one of them is one used by a known troll, and the
style is similar to that troll.
here's the whois info for the actual mr baird: somebody might want to
call him up and see if he is in fact making these posts.
Registrant:
Plush Recordings Inc.
19370 Collins Ave.
#1624
Sunny Isles Beach, FL 33160
US
305 772 0338
Domain Name: PLUSHRECORDINGS.NET
contact:
Baird, Jeremy [email protected]
19370 Collins Ave.
#1624
Sunny Isles Beach, FL 33160
US
305 772 0338
On 5 May 2004 21:43:06 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:07 +0200, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty to be a soldier of Christ.
>If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
>your previous posts here were made under,
Does the phrase "in his name" ring a bell?
That's my bet. And just as full of shit regardless of which fucking
name he uses.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
In article <1083790222_92@LocalHost>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
<snip>
>
> I don't want to hear that sleazy
> language when I read it. I am a very devoted Christian, and is my duty
> to be a soldier of Christ.
I am not so sure; although the temptation to always drag that board over
to the powah jointer is strong, it is not always the best choice.
Sometimes it is more effective to just use a handtool. Do you have any
hand planes? A jointer (#7 or #8) can straighten the edge of a board
remarkably quickly. Even a jack plane can do a very good job and they
are cheap'n'easy to come by. You might wanna try it out.
If you have any more questions, just ask.
On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:07 +0200,
[email protected] wrote:
>Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.
>
(tom channels Claude Rains for a moment)
"I'm shocked - shocked, that there is foul language on Usenet!
(we now return you to your regular channel)
BTW - The final stage of an organized troll attack is for the trolls
to disguise themselves as regular members of the NG.
Under this cloak they seek to foment internecine strife amongst the
populace.
But, we've seen this kinda shit before.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
Dan, I think his post was MAJOR "tongue-in-cheek". It's
ALMOST comforting to know I'm not the only one around here
who is sometimes misunderstood. Most of the time I get my
point (acerbic though it may be) across as intended, but
once in a while a post will go over many heads (makes sense
though, when you consider where SOME of those heads are
located [present company excepted]). I certainly don't
encourage the protracted assault on Charlie's poor choice of
words, but there is a BIT of wry humor in the troll's words.
and besides, he has GOT to be a regular anyway. Either
that or he is a Constant Reader (read S. King?).
If I'm not already on your plonkee list, I guess I am now
for daring to speak out. oh well.
dave
Dan wrote:
> Hey you;
>
> I am a grown man and I don't need you to protect me from anything.
> I don't want you or anyone else to tell me what morals I should
> adhere to.
>
> Peddle your censurship some where else.
>
> Dan
>
> PS. Plonk
>
>
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:1083790222_92@LocalHost:
>
>
>>Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self
>>issue.
>>
>
> I simply want to increase the awareness of his
>
>>readers' understanding of the complete Charlie Self.
>
>
>>One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
>>discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
>>hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such
>>explicit language in this newsgroup.
>>
>>
>>I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up,
>>once and for all, for the benefit of everyone here.
>>
>>-JB
>>
>
>