http://www.geocities.com/~kleb/windsurfn/buildboard/ It does use some
wood, and there seems to be ample instruction to make one. Can't
understand tho, why people would want to go messing around in water that
has fish big enough, and willing, to take your leg off with one bite.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 5 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Bruce
Of course, the RAW numbers need to be looked at a bit more critically,
such as the number of shark attacks per 10,000 surfers, compared to
the number of accidents per 10,000 car passengers/drivers
And maybe even compared the incidence of accidents per ManHOUR
exposure
John
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:02:14 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
>In rec.woodworking
>[email protected] (T.) wrote:
>
>>Can't
>>understand tho, why people would want to go messing around in water that
>>has fish big enough, and willing, to take your leg off with one bite.
>
>If you cna't understand that, how do you manage to muster the courage to
>drive a car?
>
>US Stats for Shark attacks
>
>Year Attacks Fatalities
>2000 54 1
>2001 54 3
>2002 47 0
>
>Approximately 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year (a figure that
>has been generally declining for over 30 years)
>
>So... your chances of dying in a car crash vs just being attacked by a
>shark are 40,000 / 52 = 769 times greater.
>
In rec.woodworking
[email protected] (T.) wrote:
>Can't
>understand tho, why people would want to go messing around in water that
>has fish big enough, and willing, to take your leg off with one bite.
If you cna't understand that, how do you manage to muster the courage to
drive a car?
US Stats for Shark attacks
Year Attacks Fatalities
2000 54 1
2001 54 3
2002 47 0
Approximately 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year (a figure that
has been generally declining for over 30 years)
So... your chances of dying in a car crash vs just being attacked by a
shark are 40,000 / 52 = 769 times greater.
Mon, Jan 5, 2004, 9:02am (EST+5) [email protected] (Bruce) claims:
If you cna't understand that, how do you manage to muster the courage to
drive a car?
US Stats for Shark attacks
Year =A0 Attacks Fatalities
2000 =A0 54 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1
2001 =A0 54 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 3
2002 =A0 47 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 0
Approximately 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year (a figure
that has been generally declining for over 30 years)
So... your chances of dying in a car crash vs just being attacked by a
shark are 40,000 / 52 =3D 769 times greater.
Some thing I do, some things I choose not to do. I don't:
Swim in water with fish that can eat me, jump out of perfectly good
airplanes, ride roller coasters (about 9 people dies a year on them, but
that had nothing to do with me not riding them), bungee jump, try to
beat a train, scuba dive, hang glide - I don't ride airplanes anymore,
bet money I can't afford to lose.
I don't need "excitement" to enjoy life. Most of the things people
keep telling me I should try, are that type of stuff. I can get the
crap scared out of me by every day life, I don't need to go out and do
it on purpose, all I have to do is wait.
However, things like white water rafting, ride in a 200 MPH race
car, etc., I could enjoy.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 5 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In rec.woodworking
John Crea <[email protected]> wrote:
>Of course, the RAW numbers need to be looked at a bit more critically,
>such as the number of shark attacks per 10,000 surfers, compared to
>the number of accidents per 10,000 car passengers/drivers
>
>And maybe even compared the incidence of accidents per ManHOUR
>exposure
I'd love to do that but I don't have the data available and I'm not that
interested in finding it. If you search for surfing you get more hits
about internet surfing than surfing. I don't think there is anyone out
there that is going to argue with a straight face that surfing is more
fatal than driving, is there?
In rec.woodworking
"pray4surf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Having surfed since the late 60's, It still irks me to hear internet
>browsing referred to as 'surfing'. Hell, how would you have liked it if
>they had decided to call it 'woodworking'?? <BG TIC>
I agree with you. I consider myself a great internet researcher,
exceptional in the ways of google's advanced search capabilities and damned
if I could do much good with "surfing".
>As to surfing being a dangerous sport, obviously the word is not getting
>out. This whole 'Gen-X' / Xtreme Sports bandwagon has simply packed the
>beaches with more bodies than the wave conditions allow...
Well, another poster thought my post was "snotty." Damn, I was just
generating discussion in my mind. Hang loose :)
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Major Snippage
: please warn them of the
: dangers. Their lives depend on it!
:
LOL -
:-)
Rick
To bring this back on topic, the first surfers were woodworkers... Here is a
balsa slab to start with
http://solarbo.com/cust/products/list/product_selector.php?ID=22&BrowseBy=Pr
odType
Use to be a company in Hawaii (found it online) with plans/kits...
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: I'd love to do that but I don't have the data available and I'm not that
: interested in finding it. If you search for surfing you get more hits
: about internet surfing than surfing. I don't think there is anyone out
: there that is going to argue with a straight face that surfing is more
: fatal than driving, is there?
Having surfed since the late 60's, It still irks me to hear internet
browsing referred to as 'surfing'. Hell, how would you have liked it if
they had decided to call it 'woodworking'?? <BG TIC>
As to surfing being a dangerous sport, obviously the word is not getting
out. This whole 'Gen-X' / Xtreme Sports bandwagon has simply packed the
beaches with more bodies than the wave conditions allow...
Rick
...just lurking about, picking up woodworking tips...
Thank you!
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> In rec.woodworking
>> [email protected] (T.) wrote:
>>
>>> Can't
>>> understand tho, why people would want to go messing around in water
>>> that has fish big enough, and willing, to take your leg off with
>>> one bite.
>>
>> If you cna't understand that, how do you manage to muster the
>> courage to drive a car?
>>
>> US Stats for Shark attacks
>>
>> Year Attacks Fatalities
>> 2000 54 1
>> 2001 54 3
>> 2002 47 0
>>
>> Approximately 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year (a
>> figure that has been generally declining for over 30 years)
>>
>> So... your chances of dying in a car crash vs just being attacked by
>> a shark are 40,000 / 52 = 769 times greater.
>>
>
> However, you fail to take into account exposure, i.e. of the number
> of people surfing what is the rate of shark attack vs. the number of
> people driving and passenger miles?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In rec.woodworking
> John Crea <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Of course, the RAW numbers need to be looked at a bit more critically,
> >such as the number of shark attacks per 10,000 surfers, compared to
> >the number of accidents per 10,000 car passengers/drivers
> >
> >And maybe even compared the incidence of accidents per ManHOUR
> >exposure
>
> I'd love to do that but I don't have the data available and I'm not that
> interested in finding it. If you search for surfing you get more hits
> about internet surfing than surfing. I don't think there is anyone out
> there that is going to argue with a straight face that surfing is more
> fatal than driving, is there?
>
uh, yeah. If you mean are there more fatalities from driving than
surfing, then no, nobody would argue that. However, if you mean more
hazardous and more likely to cause death, then yes, that should be
pretty easy to prove. Remember, shark deaths aren't the only surfing-
related deaths or accidents, there's also drowning as a result of
surfing. Comparing the number of fatalities per passenger-mile (or
driving hours to make the units equal) from autos compared to the number
of surfing related deaths to number of surfing hours seems very likely
to show that surfing is more dangerous in terms of exposure.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In rec.woodworking
> [email protected] (T.) wrote:
>
> >Can't
> >understand tho, why people would want to go messing around in water that
> >has fish big enough, and willing, to take your leg off with one bite.
>
> If you cna't understand that, how do you manage to muster the courage to
> drive a car?
>
> US Stats for Shark attacks
>
> Year Attacks Fatalities
> 2000 54 1
> 2001 54 3
> 2002 47 0
>
> Approximately 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year (a figure that
> has been generally declining for over 30 years)
>
> So... your chances of dying in a car crash vs just being attacked by a
> shark are 40,000 / 52 = 769 times greater.
>
However, you fail to take into account exposure, i.e. of the number of
people surfing what is the rate of shark attack vs. the number of people
driving and passenger miles?
"pray4surf" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Unfortunately, most surfing-related deaths in the SoCal area, are heart
> attacks. Typically in middle-age men... Yet, I do surf on a regular basis
> with 65+ old surfers. Never, in over 30 years have I seen a shark large
> enough to do any serious damage. We see a lot of seals/sea lions, dolphins
> and fish. Most injuries from sealife are due to stingrays. I did witness a
> surfer 'chased' out of the water by an elephant seal =:-).
Bullsh!t. Surfing is by far the most pointless and dangerous activity
I can think of. Besides sharks, there are jellyfish, sting rays,
urchin-covered reefs, pollution, violent locals, dangerous rip
currents, hypothermia, surfer's ear (bony growths in the ear canal
that have to be drilled out), unspeakably offensive inhabitants of a
certain beach in La Jolla, etc. Not to mention the risk of losing
your job due to a decent swell hitting. So please, if you know of
anybody considering taking up surfing, please warn them of the
dangers. Their lives depend on it!
> Sharks are the 'least' of my worries...
You obviously don't surf Trails at San O. ;^>
Cheers,
Mike
Wed, Jan 7, 2004, 11:22am (EST-3) [email protected] (Mike) claims:
Bullsh!t. Surfing is by far the most pointless and dangerous activity I
can think of. <snip>
Well, we're having fun now. LMAO You really need to get out more.
As soon as I read that, one or two way more pointless and dangerous
activities immediately came to mine, and I'm sure I could come up with
more.
Some of you seem to think I said surfing is danerous. Wrong.
People constantly "interpret" what I say, until it comes out entirely
different than what I said. Personally, yeah, I think surfing can be
dangerous. So? I also think it would be fun. I really don't give a
rat's rosy red rectum about shark statistics, it boils down to that fact
that I simply choose not to put my precious body into water with a
triple death threat - that is: Get killed outright; get bitten, and
bleed to death before rescue; or get bitten, and drown before rescue. I
don't think surfing is particularly stupid, I don't think it's
particularly pointless. I would probably enjoy doing it. I just ain't
going into water with sharks in it.
Let the entertainment continue. LOL
JOAT
Anyone who hates mimes can't be all bad.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
[email protected] (Mike) wrote:
> Gee, apparently I need to put a bit less subtlety into my sarcasm. My
> post was ... about keeping the numbers down.
> ...
I thought I read that out of your first message -- clearly written
by someone who has been inside the green tumbling dice looking out.
> It is hands down the funnest, most fulfilling activity I can think of.
> It's also much more difficult than it looks and requires a serious
> amount of committment to become even competent, let alone masterful
> (sort of like fine woodworking). There are also nuances to
> understanding the ocean that can take a lifetime to understand (sort
> of like understanding wood).
Best day I've had so far was 10 hours at the North Jetties, Jax, FL
when Hurricane David blew thru. 8'-10' overhead and perfect tube
rides all day long ;-}. Amazing!!!
> Cheers,
> Mike
Cheers,
Gary
"T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: I just ain't
: going into water with sharks in it.
:
And just for you we have wave pools being constructed all over the country
http://www.howstuffworks.com/wave-pool.htm - Have fun!
Rick
Thu, Jan 8, 2004, 3:07am (EST+5) [email protected] (pray4surf)
says:
And just for you we have wave pools being constructed all over the
country
No, not for me. If I wanted to surf, I'd try the Great Lakes.
JOAT
Anyone who hates mimes can't be all bad.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:38:12 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
scribbled:
>Thu, Jan 8, 2004, 3:07am (EST+5) [email protected] (pray4surf)
>says:
>And just for you we have wave pools being constructed all over the
>country
>
> No, not for me. If I wanted to surf, I'd try the Great Lakes.
Have you ever seen the teeth on the giant muskellunge?
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
[email protected] (T.) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Wed, Jan 7, 2004, 11:22am (EST-3) [email protected] (Mike) claims:
> Bullsh!t. Surfing is by far the most pointless and dangerous activity I
> can think of. <snip>
>
> Well, we're having fun now. LMAO You really need to get out more.
> As soon as I read that, one or two way more pointless and dangerous
> activities immediately came to mine, and I'm sure I could come up with
> more.
Gee, apparently I need to put a bit less subtlety into my sarcasm. My
post was sort of like somebody posting that Jorgenson Cabinet Master
clamps suck just before the WoodCraft feeding frenzy so he could get
all the clamps he wanted. It's about keeping the numbers down.
> Some of you seem to think I said surfing is danerous. Wrong.
> People constantly "interpret" what I say, until it comes out entirely
> different than what I said. Personally, yeah, I think surfing can be
> dangerous. So? I also think it would be fun.
It is hands down the funnest, most fulfilling activity I can think of.
It's also much more difficult than it looks and requires a serious
amount of committment to become even competent, let alone masterful
(sort of like fine woodworking). There are also nuances to
understanding the ocean that can take a lifetime to understand (sort
of like understanding wood).
Cheers,
Mike
btw:
Here's a link to building a wood-framed paddle board (not a surf board
per say but a long-distance paddling craft):
http://www.wetsand.com/resource.asp?ResourceID=2151
And other links to the making of wooden surfboards:
http://www.chuckbassett.com/this_about_that.htm
http://www.hollowsurfboards.com/
http://www.superiorsurfboards.com/balsa.html
http://www.solidbalsa.0pi.com/ (watch out; pop-ups galore!)
http://www.cmp.ucr.edu/exhibitions/ocean-view/essays/pezman/pezman2.html
Wed, Jan 7, 2004, 7:30pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Mike) says:
<snip> It is hands down the funnest, most fulfilling activity I can
think of. It's also much more difficult than it looks and requires a
serious amount of committment to become even competent, let alone
masterful <snip>
OK, you must be being subtle again, because I'm getting confused.
We still talking surfing, or are we talking sex now?
JOAT
Anyone who hates mimes can't be all bad.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2004 11:22:26 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
>
>>Surfing is by far the most pointless and dangerous activity
>>I can think of.
>
> Of course it is. That's the _point_.
I missed the original post, but I'll jump on this...
The most dangerous and pointless activity? Nah, no way. I'd say bungee
jumping, cliff diving, free climbing, hang gliding, sky diving and casual
sex are all a lot more dangerous than surfing.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: I'd love to do that but I don't have the data available and I'm not that
: interested in finding it. If you search for surfing you get more hits
: about internet surfing than surfing. I don't think there is anyone out
: there that is going to argue with a straight face that surfing is more
: fatal than driving, is there?
Unfortunately, most surfing-related deaths in the SoCal area, are heart
attacks. Typically in middle-age men... Yet, I do surf on a regular basis
with 65+ old surfers. Never, in over 30 years have I seen a shark large
enough to do any serious damage. We see a lot of seals/sea lions, dolphins
and fish. Most injuries from sealife are due to stingrays. I did witness a
surfer 'chased' out of the water by an elephant seal =:-).
Sharks are the 'least' of my worries...
DISCLAIMER: My experience is solely in Southern Cal and Baja Mexico, YMMV
Rick
Personal Website http://www.nctimes.net/~pray/ricks2.htm scroll down for my
'woodworking' skills, see Nail & Sail ;-)
On 7 Jan 2004 11:22:26 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) wrote:
>Surfing is by far the most pointless and dangerous activity
>I can think of.
Of course it is. That's the _point_.
Thu, Jan 8, 2004, 3:11am (EST+5) [email protected] (pray4surf) says:
oops...
http://tinyurl.com/yr776
Durn, wonder where I ever got the idea that surfboards were pointy
on the ends. Live and learn. LOL
JOAT
Anyone who hates mimes can't be all bad.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 7 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/