Here is another post in my amateur =E2=80=9CWhat is it?=E2=80=9D tool threa=
d. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size a=
nd how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.=20
L. Flynn
POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long. There=
are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind them. The=
disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers pull up on the =
middles of the disks when in the flush position. There is a warning to =E2=
=80=9CCheck strength prior to each use=E2=80=9D on the handle. There are al=
so two small openings which show a red or green color. The color changes fr=
om red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a flat surface and the l=
ever is moved to the flush position.=20
https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5 inches lon=
g. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal shaft continue=
s from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged spiral in it. The spiral=
does not complete even one revolution over its 1=C2=BD inch length.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliers=E2=80=99 family. It=
is almost 6=C2=BD inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coat=
ing. One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two mee=
t at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression fo=
r =C2=BD of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges =
on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long axis.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and a li=
ttle more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There is a name =
of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
On 12/3/2017 1:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 10:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 -
>>>>> Gimlet for
>>>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 -
>>>>> Divot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>>>>
>>>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a
>>>> "light duty fall"?
>>>>
>>>> (Here we go again.)
Here we go again. The ideal is a nice bar properly screwed into a stud.
Not everyone can do that.
The suction cup bars hold rather well. Most times, the person using
them to get in or out of the shower only needs something to steady
themselves. A bent nail would work in many cases, People don't just
use them to hold their body weight, just for the added balance and
security.
Before we remodeled the bathrooms we had the fiberglass surrounds and
used the suction cup bars. They did the intended job. Do you have
kids? Remember when they started to walk? They would walk well just
holding your finger, not needing a tight hand grip. Same idea with the
suction cup bars. They can prevent a fall.
If you can screw in bars, do it. If not, the suction cup bars provide
quite a bit of security.
On 12/3/2017 9:28 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>> If you can screw in bars, do it. If not, the suction cup bars provide
>> quite a bit of security.
>
> As well as a hazard.
>
> (Feel free to repeat everything you said the last time we went back and
> forth on this. I'll save myself the typing and simply tell you now that
> you will *never* convince me that a suction cup grab bar is not an bad
> accident waiting to happen..)
>
I understand that. I believe you have no experience with them either,
but I do.
You are free to feel that no help is better than some fairly good help
to prevent a fall.
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 9:28 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> If you can screw in bars, do it. If not, the suction cup bars provide
> >> quite a bit of security.
> >
> > As well as a hazard.
> >
> > (Feel free to repeat everything you said the last time we went back and
> > forth on this. I'll save myself the typing and simply tell you now that
> > you will *never* convince me that a suction cup grab bar is not an bad
> > accident waiting to happen..)
> >
>
> I understand that. I believe you have no experience with them either,
> but I do.
If you think personal experience with suction cup grab bars matters, then you are missing
my point. I'm quite capable of understanding concepts without actual use.
> You are free to feel that no help is better than some fairly good help
> to prevent a fall.
Here we go again.
Moving on...
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-5, Larry Flynn wrote:
> Here is another post in my amateur =E2=80=9CWhat is it?=E2=80=9D tool thr=
ead. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size=
and how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.=20
> L. Flynn
>=20
> POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long. The=
re are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind them. T=
he disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers pull up on th=
e middles of the disks when in the flush position. There is a warning to =
=E2=80=9CCheck strength prior to each use=E2=80=9D on the handle. There are=
also two small openings which show a red or green color. The color changes=
from red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a flat surface and th=
e lever is moved to the flush position.=20
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
Tool for moving solid surface counter tops
>=20
> POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5 inches l=
ong. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal shaft contin=
ues from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged spiral in it. The spir=
al does not complete even one revolution over its 1=C2=BD inch length.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
Gimlet (Hand drill for pre-drilling screw holes, etc)
>=20
> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliers=E2=80=99 family. =
It is almost 6=C2=BD inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic co=
ating. One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two m=
eet at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression =
for =C2=BD of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridge=
s on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long axis.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
I got nothing.
>=20
> POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and a =
little more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There is a nam=
e of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
A tool for removing "something". Used by inserting into 2 holes and=20
depressing tabs within object. "What that something is", I don't know.
OK, you made quick work of these.
Post 16 Tool 61 Double Suction Cup Dent Puller / Glass Remover=20
Post 16 Tool 62 Gimlet Auger T-Handle Drill
Post 16 Tool 63 Curved-Jaw Glass Breaking Grozing Pliers
Post 16 Tool 64 Divot Replacement Tool
I'll put up another post with four tools next week.
L. Flynn
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-5, Larry Flynn wrote:
> Here is another post in my amateur =E2=80=9CWhat is it?=E2=80=9D tool thr=
ead. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size=
and how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.=20
> L. Flynn
>=20
> POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long. The=
re are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind them. T=
he disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers pull up on th=
e middles of the disks when in the flush position. There is a warning to =
=E2=80=9CCheck strength prior to each use=E2=80=9D on the handle. There are=
also two small openings which show a red or green color. The color changes=
from red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a flat surface and th=
e lever is moved to the flush position.=20
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5 inches l=
ong. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal shaft contin=
ues from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged spiral in it. The spir=
al does not complete even one revolution over its 1=C2=BD inch length.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliers=E2=80=99 family. =
It is almost 6=C2=BD inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic co=
ating. One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two m=
eet at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression =
for =C2=BD of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridge=
s on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long axis.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
>=20
> POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and a =
little more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There is a nam=
e of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=3D0
Larry Flynn <[email protected]> wrote:
> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliersâ family.
> It is almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coating.
> One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two meet at the
> end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression for ½ of an inch
> nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges on the inner surfaces
> running perpendicular to the long axis.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
breaker-grozier pliers
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:39 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 12/3/2017 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:47:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>>>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>>>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>>>
>>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
>>
>> I always wondered why they make 12", 18", 24", and 30" towel bars and
>> not 16" or 32".
>>
>>> (Here we go again.)
>
>+1
>Me too. Makes no sense to put them into drywall, when a stud would be
>better.I've got those dual bar and it puts a strain on the bar while
>repeatedly putting the towel on and taking it off. It loosens from the
>wall. When I redo the bathroom there'll be some ply in there between the
>studs.
A 2x4 nailed/screwed between the studs would seem to be the right way
to go. Even screwing into the end-grain would work but a pocket hole
would be really simple too.
replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
Repair Tool for a golfer.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/what-is-it-amateur-version-post-16-812690-.htm
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 10:14:35 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 10:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
> >> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
> >> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
> >> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
> >> Repair Tool for a golfer.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
> >
> > What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
> >
> > (Here we go again.)
> >
>
> The lite duty grab bar has a single action lever to create suction, you
> flip it over and you are done. The industrial generally have a piston
> that yu pump several times for greater suction.
And a *real* grab bar screws into the structure. Anything less is a
hazard.
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:21:47 +0000, Spalted Walt
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> I always wondered why they make 12", 18", 24", and 30" towel bars and
>> not 16" or 32".
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Adhesive-16-Inch-Bathroom-Stainless-Contemporary/dp/B00N4ISX9A/
"Self Adhesive"
What's that about? Totally negates the need.
>https://www.amazon.com/Mellewell-Contemporary-Accessory-Stainless-06021/dp/B074V361GP/
That's actually not too bad.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Burton-Harbor-Modern-Hardware-Accessory/dp/B01JSHCR8S/
Now all I have to do is repair the wall where the previous one has
pulled through.
>https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Bronze-Waterfront-Towel-Bar/dp/B003GC7GCE/
>
>
>> (Here we go again.)
>
> +1
On 12/2/2017 4:27 PM, Larry Flynn wrote:
> Here is another post in my amateur âWhat is it?â tool thread. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size and how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.
> L. Flynn
>
> POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long. There are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind them. The disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers pull up on the middles of the disks when in the flush position. There is a warning to âCheck strength prior to each useâ on the handle. There are also two small openings which show a red or green color. The color changes from red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a flat surface and the lever is moved to the flush position.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
My dad had these in his bath rub for a secure grab.
>
> POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5 inches long. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal shaft continues from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged spiral in it. The spiral does not complete even one revolution over its 1½ inch length.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
Gimlit
>
> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliersâ family. It is almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coating. One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two meet at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression for ½ of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long axis.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
Stretching plyers
>
> POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and a little more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There is a name of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
Green repair, for repairing divot on a green.
On 12/2/2017 10:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>
>
>
> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>
> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
>
> (Here we go again.)
>
The lite duty grab bar has a single action lever to create suction, you
flip it over and you are done. The industrial generally have a piston
that yu pump several times for greater suction.
On 12/2/2017 6:29 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Larry Flynn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliersâ family.
>> It is almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coating.
>> One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two meet at the
>> end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression for ½ of an inch
>> nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges on the inner surfaces
>> running perpendicular to the long axis.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
> breaker-grozier pliers
>
I was thinking grozier pliers but mine have no teeth at all, nor the
curve on one side.
On 12/2/2017 5:57 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 4:27 PM, Larry Flynn wrote:
>> Here is another post in my amateur âWhat is it?â tool thread. As
>> usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size
>> and how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.
>> L. Flynn
>>
>> POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long.
>> There are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind
>> them. The disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers
>> pull up on the middles of the disks when in the flush position. There
>> is a warning to âCheck strength prior to each useâ on the handle.
>> There are also two small openings which show a red or green color. The
>> color changes from red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a
>> flat surface and the lever is moved to the flush position.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
> My dad had these in his bath rub for a secure grab.
tub
>
>
>>
>> POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5
>> inches long. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal
>> shaft continues from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged
>> spiral in it. The spiral does not complete even one revolution over
>> its 1½ inch length.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
> Gimlit
>
>
>>
>> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliersâ family. It is
>> almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coating.
>> One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two
>> meet at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm
>> depression for ½ of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have
>> small ridges on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long
>> axis.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
> Stretching plyers
>
>>
>> POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and
>> a little more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There
>> is a name of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>>
>
> Green repair, for repairing divot on a green.
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:42:26 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 1:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> > On 12/3/2017 10:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> >>>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 -
> >>>>> Gimlet for
> >>>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 -
> >>>>> Divot
>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
> >>>>
> >>>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a
> >>>> "light duty fall"?
> >>>>
> >>>> (Here we go again.)
>
> Here we go again. The ideal is a nice bar properly screwed into a stud.
> Not everyone can do that.
>
> The suction cup bars hold rather well. Most times, the person using
> them to get in or out of the shower only needs something to steady
> themselves. A bent nail would work in many cases, People don't just
> use them to hold their body weight,
...until they unexpectedly have to. If it's there, they will use it.
> just for the added balance and security.
...until the unexpected happens.
>
> Before we remodeled the bathrooms we had the fiberglass surrounds and
> used the suction cup bars. They did the intended job. Do you have
> kids? Remember when they started to walk? They would walk well just
> holding your finger, not needing a tight hand grip. Same idea with the
> suction cup bars. They can prevent a fall.
And if they tripped, they automatically tightened their grip. The difference
is that there was never a chance that my finger was going to come off.
>
> If you can screw in bars, do it. If not, the suction cup bars provide
> quite a bit of security.
As well as a hazard.
(Feel free to repeat everything you said the last time we went back and
forth on this. I'll save myself the typing and simply tell you now that
you will *never* convince me that a suction cup grab bar is not an bad
accident waiting to happen..)
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 12:25:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 12/3/2017 10:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 10:14:35 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2017 10:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>>>>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>>>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>>>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>>>>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>>>>
>>>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
>>>>
>>>> (Here we go again.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The lite duty grab bar has a single action lever to create suction, you
>>> flip it over and you are done. The industrial generally have a piston
>>> that yu pump several times for greater suction.
>>
>> And a *real* grab bar screws into the structure. Anything less is a
>> hazard.
>>
>
>We use them to hang the squeege and wet wash rages on. ;~)
Then it's a light duty or portable towel bar. ;-)
[email protected] wrote:
>
> I always wondered why they make 12", 18", 24", and 30" towel bars and
> not 16" or 32".
https://www.amazon.com/Adhesive-16-Inch-Bathroom-Stainless-Contemporary/dp/B00N4ISX9A/
https://www.amazon.com/Mellewell-Contemporary-Accessory-Stainless-06021/dp/B074V361GP/
https://www.amazon.com/Burton-Harbor-Modern-Hardware-Accessory/dp/B01JSHCR8S/
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Bronze-Waterfront-Towel-Bar/dp/B003GC7GCE/
> (Here we go again.)
+1
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:27:45 -0800 (PST), Larry Flynn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
I'm green-as-grass at these puzzlers and might need repair.
Perhaps I'll pick up my glass and pour myself a gimlet.
The little pliers have me wired.
John T.
On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>
Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
(Here we go again.)
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:14:21 AM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
> replying to DerbyDad03, Iggy wrote:
> They aren't much good. But, if used right as just a stabilizer, then they're
> fine. More of a walk up and steady yourself kind of thing. Like, a handrail
> for most people on stairs or putting your hand on a table to pick something
> up, nothing heavy more of a guide and another point of balance. Calling them
> "Grab-Bars" as they do is where the error is in the placebo.
>
Here we go again.
Anything that appears to be a safety device will be used as a safety device. When the body
is falling, the brain will tell the hand to grab the bar - forcefully.
The name is not the problem. The potential danger wouldn't suddenly disappear if they labeled
it a Do-Not-Grab-In-An-Emergency-Bar.
A stair rail is not a stabilizer. It's a safety device. How many stairs rails have you seen
attached with suction cups?
The next time I build a 2nd story deck, I won't spend much time securing the railing. After
all, it's just there to stabilize people as they walk near the edge, right?
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:14:13 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
> replying to DerbyDad03, Iggy wrote:
> I'm not disagreeing, I'm just explaining the only thing it's good for. If the
> user understands its ability, it'll be useful in that very limited use. Yes,
> they exist and shouldn't be portrayed as anything but light duty and
> temporary. But, an official grab-bar can't go everywhere and something like
> this is very useful for the elderly visiting someone, you can't grab a flat
> wall to gently coax yourself through a step-up door.
> >
> I use a quite solid one for my Mom when visiting my Brother and she uses a few
> others herself daily to steady herself while picking up the mail, operating
> the quite heavy sliding door for the cats and getting in and out of the
> shower. She's used to it, knows it's only a stabilizer and doesn't lean, hang
> or grope for it. It's a point of contact until she's positioned herself for
> the task, she knows she's old and must slowdown to be more conscious of her
> movements and actions.
>
Good God! For your *mom*?
I'll pray for her. You should too.
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:14:01 GMT, Iggy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to DerbyDad03, Iggy wrote:
>I'm not disagreeing, I'm just explaining the only thing it's good for. If the
>user understands its ability, it'll be useful in that very limited use. Yes,
>they exist and shouldn't be portrayed as anything but light duty and
>temporary. But, an official grab-bar can't go everywhere and something like
>this is very useful for the elderly visiting someone, you can't grab a flat
>wall to gently coax yourself through a step-up door.
>>
>I use a quite solid one for my Mom when visiting my Brother and she uses a few
>others herself daily to steady herself while picking up the mail, operating
>the quite heavy sliding door for the cats and getting in and out of the
>shower. She's used to it, knows it's only a stabilizer and doesn't lean, hang
>or grope for it. It's a point of contact until she's positioned herself for
>the task, she knows she's old and must slowdown to be more conscious of her
>movements and actions.
You're quite wrong (bet you've never been told that before). If she
starts to fall, she *will* grab it for all she's, and it, is worth.
It's a normal reaction that would have to be trained out (a pretty
dumb thing to do).
replying to DerbyDad03, Iggy wrote:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just explaining the only thing it's good for. If the
user understands its ability, it'll be useful in that very limited use. Yes,
they exist and shouldn't be portrayed as anything but light duty and
temporary. But, an official grab-bar can't go everywhere and something like
this is very useful for the elderly visiting someone, you can't grab a flat
wall to gently coax yourself through a step-up door.
>
I use a quite solid one for my Mom when visiting my Brother and she uses a few
others herself daily to steady herself while picking up the mail, operating
the quite heavy sliding door for the cats and getting in and out of the
shower. She's used to it, knows it's only a stabilizer and doesn't lean, hang
or grope for it. It's a point of contact until she's positioned herself for
the task, she knows she's old and must slowdown to be more conscious of her
movements and actions.
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replying to DerbyDad03, Iggy wrote:
They aren't much good. But, if used right as just a stabilizer, then they're
fine. More of a walk up and steady yourself kind of thing. Like, a handrail
for most people on stairs or putting your hand on a table to pick something
up, nothing heavy more of a guide and another point of balance. Calling them
"Grab-Bars" as they do is where the error is in the placebo.
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:47:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>
>
>
>Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>
>What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
I always wondered why they make 12", 18", 24", and 30" towel bars and
not 16" or 32".
>(Here we go again.)
Iggy wrote:
> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>
Instead of a grab bar my first thought was a glass puller or pickup
handle.
https://www.amazon.com/Qadira-Premium-Quality-Aluminum-Professional/dp/B01G5K7XL2/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_469_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ACAKGH6WVRV7VRTK0MW1
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G Ross
Leon wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 6:29 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Larry Flynn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliersâ family.
>>> It is almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic
>>> coating.
>>> One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two
>>> meet at the
>>> end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression for
>>> ½ of an inch
>>> nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges on the inner
>>> surfaces
>>> running perpendicular to the long axis.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> breaker-grozier pliers
That makes good sense!
>>
>
> I was thinking grozier pliers but mine have no teeth at all, nor the
> curve on one side.
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:27:45 -0800 (PST), Larry Flynn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Here is another post in my amateur What is it? tool thread. As usual, I will try to answer questions about their composition, size and how they can move. Pictures are provided via Dropbox.
>L. Flynn
>
>POST16_TOOL61. This rubber and plastic tool is almost 12 inches long. There are two white rubber disks with metal compression springs behind them. The disks have small protruding tabs. The black plastic levers pull up on the middles of the disks when in the flush position. There is a warning to Check strength prior to each use on the handle. There are also two small openings which show a red or green color. The color changes from red to green when a rubber disk is pressed onto a flat surface and the lever is moved to the flush position.
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/20l2xehat389jcd/POST16_TOOL61_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>POST16_TOOL62. This wooden and iron tool is a little less than 5 inches long. The metal shaft ends in a threaded screw point. The metal shaft continues from there towards the handle with a sharp-edged spiral in it. The spiral does not complete even one revolution over its 1½ inch length.
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/8e3jm98lnz6idxz/POST16_TOOL62_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>POST16_TOOL63. This tool is clearly in the metal pliers family. It is almost 6½ inches long. The handles have a rubbery red plastic coating. One jaw is curved relative to the other leaving a gap when the two meet at the end. The other jaw has a flat surface but has a 1 mm depression for ½ of an inch nearer to the pivot point. Both jaws have small ridges on the inner surfaces running perpendicular to the long axis.
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/20idg4x61oco1m8/POST16_TOOL63_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
>
>POST16_TOOL64. This metal tool is a little less than 3 inches long and a little more than 1 inch across. One end has two dull prongs. There is a name of a business on the tool which has been hidden in the picture.
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx36xw4dq905r9z/POST16_TOOL64_PICALL.jpg?dl=0
61 is one of many suction cup grip devices. First one I ever saw was
a *much* bigger version for pulling up tiles in a raised floor in a
computer center. They are used for moving any number of things with
smooth surfaces - window glass, mirrors, tile, countertops, etc
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On 12/3/2017 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:47:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>>
>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
>
> I always wondered why they make 12", 18", 24", and 30" towel bars and
> not 16" or 32".
>
>> (Here we go again.)
+1
Me too. Makes no sense to put them into drywall, when a stud would be
better.I've got those dual bar and it puts a strain on the bar while
repeatedly putting the towel on and taking it off. It loosens from the
wall. When I redo the bathroom there'll be some ply in there between the
studs.
--
Jeff
On 12/3/2017 10:10 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 10:14:35 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/2/2017 10:47 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
>>>> replying to Larry Flynn, Iggy wrote:
>>>> Leon's got them: 1 - Suction Cup Grab Bar (very light duty). 2 - Gimlet for
>>>> drilling. 3 - Grozing Pliers for Stained or Leaded glass work. 4 - Divot
>>>> Repair Tool for a golfer.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ask Ed how he feels about those suction cup grab bars.
>>>
>>> What sense does a "light duty grab bar" make? Are they to prevent a "light duty fall"?
>>>
>>> (Here we go again.)
>>>
>>
>> The lite duty grab bar has a single action lever to create suction, you
>> flip it over and you are done. The industrial generally have a piston
>> that yu pump several times for greater suction.
>
> And a *real* grab bar screws into the structure. Anything less is a
> hazard.
>
We use them to hang the squeege and wet wash rages on. ;~)