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"Slowhand"

22/12/2003 7:44 AM

Robin, OH MY! A lee valley thread...

I was reading another thread and realized I have been doing without the
newest gardening catalog. Halpppp!! Actualy, I am logging into your
website as I write this and requesting it. Happy Holidays.
SH


This topic has 28 replies

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 11:58 PM

Silvan said:

>Tiger mosquitoes. A recent addition to our local crop of faunae. Nasty
>bastards. They don't bother the ponds much though, and the fish eat the
>larvae before they can hatch.

We keep them out of the pond with B.T. But SWMBO leaves her weeding
buckets and the wheelbarrow out in the rain for weeks, hidden behind
stuff where I can't see them, and they breed fast. I bring some of
the larvae in for the Aquarium fish, so I guess there is one benefit.

>We have more of a problem from the many tens of thousands of gallons of
>standing water associated with the various drainage works they built for
>the new road. Must be at least 20 huge, brackish part-time ponds within a
>couple miles of my house.

Same here, damned money grubbing builders are destroying the entire
area. Hardly a tree left standing. And tons of erosion and drainage
problems. And the crap they are building has me mystified. Not nice
S.F. homes, but $200,000 quads and worse. All this in an area that
was once a deeply wooded area of homes with a minimum of 1 acre.
We want OUT!

>Mine too. The Money Pit we call it.

I'm building the next one - on the moon.

>You have me trumped on the ponds, bigtime. No way I'm that ambitous. SWMBO
>can get her ass out and dig if she wants a pond that big. :)

For some reason, I saw 'her fat ass' in that sentence... <BFG>

I've tried putting her to work, but it usually turns ugly. I was on
the roof last week, and needed help putting a sheet of plastic over
the exposed portion because of a sudden rain. There was a light wind,
or I would never have asked. Like a cat, she got up, but couldn't get
down. Could not walk down the pitch of the roof to save her life -
not even crab style. I laughed so hard, I nearly fell off the roof
myself. Needless to say, there was hell to pay THAT night...


Greg G.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 7:47 PM

Silvan said:

>Mark Hopkins wrote:
>
>> Working with wood and digging in the ground. Man! Does it get any better
>> than that? I think not.

Nope, nothin ' better.

>Yes. When you add a pond to the mix. We love our ponds so much we grew
>lazy about the rest of the gardens. It's like a magnet. Sit, listen,
>watch, don't go weed the flower bed, stay here, listen to the water,
>listen, to, the, water... ahhhhh....

If I were so lucky... One pond in dappled shade led to SWMBO wanting
another, in the sun, so that night blooming water lilies could grow...
Oh, well. What's another 3 ' deep, 400cu.ft. hole in the ground - dug
by hand...



Greg G.

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 3:20 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Mark Hopkins wrote:
>
> > Working with wood and digging in the ground. Man! Does it get any better
> > than that? I think not.
>
> Yes. When you add a pond to the mix. We love our ponds so much we grew
> lazy about the rest of the gardens. It's like a magnet. Sit, listen,
> watch, don't go weed the flower bed, stay here, listen to the water,
> listen, to, the, water... ahhhhh....
>
>

Isn't your water a bit solid right about now?

Sd

Silvan

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 24/12/2003 3:20 AM

25/12/2003 2:06 AM

Greg G. wrote:

> through the country, Western Pennsylvania and Virginia have some
> awfully nice scenery.

Yeah we do. They do too. Just about anywhere along the mountain range will
do in a pinch, really. I don't like flat land much. It makes me uneasy
when there are no big green humps on the horizon.

I like to run down there though. Easy on the bad throttle foot.

> Oh yea, I saw your shop on your web site, it isn't as bad as you
> implied. I was expecting an old generator crate with a roof. ;-)

It's bad. The floor is about shot, termites in the walls and underneath.
Built half on the ground, so it just screams "eat me, eat me!" to the
little bastards. Not much I can come up with to save it either. It needs
to sit up off the ground, but putting a foundation under it while it sits
there would be difficult. Even if I bought a bunch of beer and got a few
guys to help me pick it up, it would probably fall apart from the strain.

Probably take it apart stick by stick, build a foundation, then put it back
together, but by the time I replace all the rotten/eaten wood, I might as
well just build a new building. The roof and the interior studs are good.
the sheathing is sawdust, and the supports on the ground are swiss cheese.

Well, they built it to hold a lawn mower. It was never supposed to be
anybody's wood shop. Besides, what did they care? They were moving in a
few years. And they did.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

GG

Greg G.

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 24/12/2003 3:20 AM

25/12/2003 1:10 AM

Silvan said:

>The problem with Atlanta is that there are only about six dozen southerners
>left in the whole damn town.

I know a few that remain, but most have fled. Some to the rural areas
of GA, some as far as Hawaii. We are looking around for a place to go
ourselves. SWMBO want to go north, likes the snow and winter - I want
to go south, I like shirt sleeve weather in December and the beaches.
We both hate to leave the nice yard full of trees and the garden, and
my little WW shop in the garage. I'll have to say, in my travels
through the country, Western Pennsylvania and Virginia have some
awfully nice scenery.

Oh yea, I saw your shop on your web site, it isn't as bad as you
implied. I was expecting an old generator crate with a roof. ;-)


Greg G.

TD

Tim Douglass

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

26/12/2003 10:39 AM

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:18:00 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>She doesn't *want* to learn how to do any of this. That's why she married
>*me*. Her words, not mine.

Good, working system. I wish more people understood that - It would
make my life a bit simpler.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 10:38 PM

Mark & Juanita wrote:

> Isn't your water a bit solid right about now?

On top, yes. They don't freeze solid. Haven't yet anyway.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 2:18 AM

Greg G. wrote:

> S.F. homes, but $200,000 quads and worse. All this in an area that
> was once a deeply wooded area of homes with a minimum of 1 acre.
> We want OUT!

I can sympathize. My uncle doesn't actually seem to care at all, but if I
were in his shoes, I'd be pissed off. Hadn't been up to his house in
years. Used to be there were two houses in the middle of bumfuzzle
nowhere, way up on a mountain. Sit in the swing on the hill and see
nothing but trees forever.

Now he looks down on the roof of some yellow monstrosity on the other side
of a very thin stand of trees. Beyond that, it's pure suburbia, with
nothing to see to the horizon but cookie cutter tract housing interspersed
with a couple of trees here and there.

Well, OTOH, there are like 500 billion of us now, and most of them live in
New York City. If even more city people decided to move out, the country
would be worse to live in than it is. We need urban people who want to pay
$300,000 for a room inside a building they don't own just to keep a few of
our nice wooded areas from being over-run.

>>can get her ass out and dig if she wants a pond that big. :)
>
> For some reason, I saw 'her fat ass' in that sentence... <BFG>

I plead the fifth on that one. ;)

> I've tried putting her to work, but it usually turns ugly. I was on
> the roof last week, and needed help putting a sheet of plastic over
> the exposed portion because of a sudden rain. There was a light wind,
> or I would never have asked. Like a cat, she got up, but couldn't get
> down. Could not walk down the pitch of the roof to save her life -
> not even crab style. I laughed so hard, I nearly fell off the roof
> myself. Needless to say, there was hell to pay THAT night...

My results have been similar. She does dishes and laundry, cooks, goes
shopping. I do man stuff. Fix toilets, paint, put in new flooring, dig
ponds. That's not gender stereotyping, that's us doing what we don't suck
at. She's useless with a shovel or a screwdriver. She's befuddled by the
slightest mechanical problem. Why, I found a drawer full of night lights,
and asked why so many. She said she couldn't figure out how to change the
bulb, so she bought a new one each time. O_o

She doesn't *want* to learn how to do any of this. That's why she married
*me*. Her words, not mine.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

30/12/2003 3:32 PM

[email protected] said:

>Goldfish will survive a lot! We did learn a few years
>ago that if the pond stays frozen over long enough it
>will kill off some of the fish. Keeping your pump going
>is probably a good plan. We don't have a pump in our
>pond, though I keep talking about adding one so we can
>have a waterfall.

Common practice for ponds is this:
Run the pumps till the temperature drops. The fish go fairly dormant
during cold weather. Shut the pumps off when the temp drops below 50.
This keeps a warmer layer of water at the bottom of the pond. When it
freezes over, knock a hole in the ice, this allow oxygen exchange to
occur. When the weather warms up, turn the pumps back on. It is
advisable to remove the pumps, clean them up, and store in a warm
environ for the winter. Replace the pump in the spring after cleaning
the gunk out of the bottom of the pond.

>for our pond. Fish keep the mosquitos out of the pond,
>but my wife tends to leave buckets and stuff sitting around
>where they collect rain water. Haven't been able to break
>her of that habit . . . sigh.

Ha, Ha. Same problem here. I'm always collecting buckets and
wheelbarrows of stagnant water full of mosquito larva from the yard...
We are in Zone 7a.

FWIW,

Greg G.

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

22/12/2003 11:02 AM

Working with wood and digging in the ground. Man! Does it get any better
than that? I think not.

"Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was reading another thread and realized I have been doing without the
> newest gardening catalog. Halpppp!! Actualy, I am logging into your
> website as I write this and requesting it. Happy Holidays.
> SH
>
>

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mark Hopkins" on 22/12/2003 11:02 AM

25/12/2003 12:47 AM

Greg G. wrote:

> I left Atlanta in 1992 to escape the masses and lived in Florida for
> 10 years, but they showed up there as well. Ended up back here
> because of a job at Hi-Fi Buys.

The problem with Atlanta is that there are only about six dozen southerners
left in the whole damn town.

--
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Greg G.

in reply to "Mark Hopkins" on 22/12/2003 11:02 AM

24/12/2003 4:46 PM

Mark Hopkins said:

>Going to Highland Hardware is a religious experience! They always tell me
>they are closing too soon!

It's a religious experience all right. The tithes will break you. <g>
I picked up a Bandsaw riser kit and WoodSlicer blade.

>The village is nice. Not too many folks in the city at all. Just the small
>town atmosphere. I like that.

I like the small town thing, but it's hard to ignore that you are
still surrounded by masses.

> The park is now run by those folks that run
>"Dollywood". To commercial for me. Not like it used to be at all.

I would not like that...

I live in unincorporated Cobb County. They want to call it West
Vinings. I want them to go to ... well you get the idea...

I left Atlanta in 1992 to escape the masses and lived in Florida for
10 years, but they showed up there as well. Ended up back here
because of a job at Hi-Fi Buys.


Greg G.

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 11:39 AM

Nice isn't it? I'm over at the big rock, in the village.

<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Silvan said:
>
> >Mark & Juanita wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't your water a bit solid right about now?
> >
> >On top, yes. They don't freeze solid. Haven't yet anyway.
>
> Ours doesn't freeze solid, only the top inch or so. But that is why
> the 3' depth - keeps a geothermal warmed/insulated layer on bottom.
>
> Silvan, what part of the country are you located in?
>
> P.S. - It's 11:30pm here, and 57 degrees F. - GA
>
>
> Greg G.

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 4:13 PM

Going to Highland Hardware is a religious experience! They always tell me
they are closing too soon!
The village is nice. Not too many folks in the city at all. Just the small
town atmosphere. I like that. The park is now run by those folks that run
"Dollywood". To commercial for me. Not like it used to be at all.

Mark

<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Hopkins said:
>
> >Yes. The village of Stone Mountain, right at the bottom of that big
> >rock...Nice town with a lot of interesting shops.
>
> O.K. I remember now... The last time I spent any time over there was
> years ago, visiting Lucien Harris, the 'famous' Georgia Lepidopterist.
>
> It has gotten too crowded over ther for my taste these days. Like it
> is getting over here! I grew up here, when Atlanta had a population
> of.. oh... 250,000. the old Grist Mill, Confederate Generals carved
> on a rock, laser light shows in the summer... yea, I remember...
>
> Just got back from Highland Hardware - I hate going there. I always
> leave feeling so... empty... <g>
>
>
> Greg G.

Jb

"Jeffo"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

30/12/2003 12:03 PM

My $0.02CAD is that running a pump during the winter is harder on the fish.
This is because the fish are using more energy to swim in the current
created by the pump while their metabolism is slowed due to the cold. It was
suggested to use by a local breeder of pond fish to use a floating stock
pond heater. We hooked this to a timer because of the smaller size of the
pond - about 4x8x2deep - so that the temperature wouldn't rise too much. My
dad said that his father would bring the fish to the basement in a
galvanized tub for the winter. Staying in a cold section of the basement
would keep them in hibernation, with no need for food or a pump for the
water. I'm thinking the water would need to be topped up on occasion.

HTH,
Jeffo



<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm leaving the pumps running this year too. Trying that out to see how
it
> > goes. So far, so good. Even the waterfall kept flowing on a 10 degree
> > day. I think 5 degrees is the record low, so I'm expecting to just
leave
> > them going. Keeps them cleaner, and reduces the chances of them
freezing
> > solid, though it might eventually destroy the pumps.
>
> Silvan, I've got some bad news for you, the record low temp
> around here is at least 10 below zero. I know because I lived
> here when it got that cold. Burned a lot of firewood that Winter.
> Must have been about 1984, give or take a year.
>
> We have a pond too. The fish survive it being frozen over
> pretty well. Actually, we bought this house that had
> a pond and my wife took some of the plants out of the pond
> for the Winter (we moved in October so no time to really
> do much) and set them in buckets of water in the garage.
> Next Spring we found fish swimming around in the buckets.
> Goldfish will survive a lot! We did learn a few years
> ago that if the pond stays frozen over long enough it
> will kill off some of the fish. Keeping your pump going
> is probably a good plan. We don't have a pump in our
> pond, though I keep talking about adding one so we can
> have a waterfall.
>
> > All the fish are freebies from the fair last year, so I don't really
care
> > much what happens to them. I'm not a fish kind of guy.
>
> Hey, you know those "ValPak" coupons we get in the mail
> around here? The pet store in Blacksburg used to put a
> free fish coupon in every month. That's how we got more
> for our pond. Fish keep the mosquitos out of the pond,
> but my wife tends to leave buckets and stuff sitting around
> where they collect rain water. Haven't been able to break
> her of that habit . . . sigh.
>
> > Mountains of Virginia. Zone 6b. It's... Um. I have no idea, probably
>
> According to the National Weather Service web site
> it is currently 37F with a high of 43 expected today.
> Low is supposed to be 22 tonight, and highs in the mid
> 50s by the end of the week.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
>

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 12:17 PM

Yes. The village of Stone Mountain, right at the bottom of that big
rock...Nice town with a lot of interesting shops.

<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Hopkins said:
>
> >Nice isn't it? I'm over at the big rock, in the village.
>
> I assume you mean Stone Mountain?
> And as for the villiage, I'm not sure where that is.
> Anywhere near Avondale Estates?
>
>
> Greg G.

r

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

30/12/2003 3:33 PM

Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm leaving the pumps running this year too. Trying that out to see how it
> goes. So far, so good. Even the waterfall kept flowing on a 10 degree
> day. I think 5 degrees is the record low, so I'm expecting to just leave
> them going. Keeps them cleaner, and reduces the chances of them freezing
> solid, though it might eventually destroy the pumps.

Silvan, I've got some bad news for you, the record low temp
around here is at least 10 below zero. I know because I lived
here when it got that cold. Burned a lot of firewood that Winter.
Must have been about 1984, give or take a year.

We have a pond too. The fish survive it being frozen over
pretty well. Actually, we bought this house that had
a pond and my wife took some of the plants out of the pond
for the Winter (we moved in October so no time to really
do much) and set them in buckets of water in the garage.
Next Spring we found fish swimming around in the buckets.
Goldfish will survive a lot! We did learn a few years
ago that if the pond stays frozen over long enough it
will kill off some of the fish. Keeping your pump going
is probably a good plan. We don't have a pump in our
pond, though I keep talking about adding one so we can
have a waterfall.

> All the fish are freebies from the fair last year, so I don't really care
> much what happens to them. I'm not a fish kind of guy.

Hey, you know those "ValPak" coupons we get in the mail
around here? The pet store in Blacksburg used to put a
free fish coupon in every month. That's how we got more
for our pond. Fish keep the mosquitos out of the pond,
but my wife tends to leave buckets and stuff sitting around
where they collect rain water. Haven't been able to break
her of that habit . . . sigh.

> Mountains of Virginia. Zone 6b. It's... Um. I have no idea, probably

According to the National Weather Service web site
it is currently 37F with a high of 43 expected today.
Low is supposed to be 22 tonight, and highs in the mid
50s by the end of the week.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to [email protected] on 30/12/2003 3:33 PM

30/12/2003 4:11 PM

Bill Ranck responds:

>Silvan, I've got some bad news for you, the record low temp
>around here is at least 10 below zero. I know because I lived
>here when it got that cold. Burned a lot of firewood that Winter.
>Must have been about 1984, give or take a year.

1985, IIRC. I was just about the only one in Bedford County that didn't have
frozen pipes. Learned long ago that opening the cabinets under sink and lav and
leaving a slight drip flowing tends to reduce such problems. I wouldn't want to
do it on a city water system...you'd go broke. I think it hit 5 below that
night and wasn't far off a couple other nights. I was using wood heat that
winter, two stoves in an old farmhouse. Flat used up some firewood.

>
>Hey, you know those "ValPak" coupons we get in the mail
>around here? The pet store in Blacksburg used to put a
>free fish coupon in every month. That's how we got more
>for our pond. Fish keep the mosquitos out of the pond,
>but my wife tends to leave buckets and stuff sitting around
>where they collect rain water. Haven't been able to break
>her of that habit . . . sigh.
>

Oh well. Mine leaves rakes with the teeth up. I'd rather have your buckets.

Charlie Self

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 10:38 AM

Wouldn't that make me close to "pond scum" ? <grin> I can't just sit by a
pond...I need a hammock! And uh, maybe a big tall glass of sweet tea!

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Hopkins wrote:
>
> > Working with wood and digging in the ground. Man! Does it get any better
> > than that? I think not.
>
> Yes. When you add a pond to the mix. We love our ponds so much we grew
> lazy about the rest of the gardens. It's like a magnet. Sit, listen,
> watch, don't go weed the flower bed, stay here, listen to the water,
> listen, to, the, water... ahhhhh....
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 12:01 AM

Silvan said:

>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>> Isn't your water a bit solid right about now?
>
>On top, yes. They don't freeze solid. Haven't yet anyway.

Ours doesn't freeze solid, only the top inch or so. But that is why
the 3' depth - keeps a geothermal warmed/insulated layer on bottom.

Silvan, what part of the country are you located in?

P.S. - It's 11:30pm here, and 57 degrees F. - GA


Greg G.

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

30/12/2003 10:29 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> Silvan, I've got some bad news for you, the record low temp
> around here is at least 10 below zero. I know because I lived
> here when it got that cold. Burned a lot of firewood that Winter.
> Must have been about 1984, give or take a year.

Hrm... You're probably right. The coldest night in recent memory was about
5, and I found it distressing to hear the weather radio drone "The
temperature is 5 degrees. The record low today is 5 degrees, which was set
in 2003." Or maybe it was 7 degrees. Anyway, I wasn't here. I was in
Asheville, NC. Stuck halfway up a frozen hill. Couldn't go up, couldn't
go down. I had to spend the night sleeping with my truck at a 50-degree
angle. Bleah.

Anyway, it was a trifle warmer here that night, and I have no idea whether
or not we set a record that day. I suppose not.

> will kill off some of the fish. Keeping your pump going
> is probably a good plan. We don't have a pump in our
> pond, though I keep talking about adding one so we can
> have a waterfall.

They're distressingly expensive, but moving water is a pleasant thing.
That's where we do all our gardening now. I have all sorts of stuff
planted around the thing, plus the water plants.

> Hey, you know those "ValPak" coupons we get in the mail
> around here? The pet store in Blacksburg used to put a
> free fish coupon in every month. That's how we got more

Yeah, the Hobby Shop. I miss the Hobby Shop. I used to walk down there
when I was a kid. Loved the place. We bought a lot of fish for our indoor
aquaria there too. Models, model rocket stuff, train stuff. It was
getting pretty boring there at the end though. Probably a change in
management or something.

I could use some free fish about now. All of mine are dead. Oops. All of
my plants might be dead soon too. I screwed up. Water blows out of the
pond on a continual basis because of the fountain spray thingie. The level
was getting low, and my hose was frozen. I had this electrolysis bucket
that had been sitting out through numerous rains and snows. Looked at it,
and it seemed to be just plain water. I dumped it in there.

Went out this morning, and everything was covered in foam. There must have
been some Oxy-Clean residue in the bucket, and it was enough to kill all
the fish. At least, I didn't see any fish today. Not even after letting
the hose flush the pond out for two hours.

Stupid.

> where they collect rain water. Haven't been able to break
> her of that habit . . . sigh.

Me neither.

>> Mountains of Virginia. Zone 6b. It's... Um. I have no idea, probably
>
> According to the National Weather Service web site
> it is currently 37F with a high of 43 expected today.
> Low is supposed to be 22 tonight, and highs in the mid
> 50s by the end of the week.

The weather has been glorious this week. I haven't needed to worry about
heat, and all it took was my spending $160 on a heater for the shop. ($90
heater, plus tank, plus plumbing...) Fine with me if I never have to use
it.

Heck, I had to turn the FAN on a couple days ago, because it was up to 90 in
the shop from all this glorious, glorious sun.

Which reminds me. If I can pay to heat this leaking mess, and if I can see
an interior temperature of 90 in the middle of winter out there, I probably
want to be thinking about running a new circuit and buying an air
conditioner this year. Waste money like there's no tomorrow... Comfort is
an addictive thing.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 10:10 PM

Silvan said:

>Mine aren't that big. I don't remember how many cubic feet, but about 180
>gallons of capacity between the two of them.
>
>Dug by hand, yes, but finished two years ago. The rest has been pleasant.

Well, the first was finished summer of 2002 - a poured concrete sill
and plant ledges with rock edging, about 480 gallons - and a
waterfall. There are fish that live in it all year. Problem is the
damned mosquitoes - can't hardly sit outside anymore for the blood
suckers. (I live in the South). We had a rainy spring and summer
this year, and they just kept breeding. Being in the dappled shade,
they're even bold enough to come out and bite you at noon on a full
sunny day.

The second is going into a new patio built into a hillside terraced
with 6x6 stacked and deadman'd retaining walls. If I though the pond
was a PITA, this has it beat by miles! Then, halfway through, the
roof started leaking and the water main broke - 10 year old house.
I could make a career out of fixing this place - the contractor should
have been shot. Yea, it's been a busy year...


Greg G.

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 2:24 AM

Greg G. wrote:

> Ours doesn't freeze solid, only the top inch or so. But that is why
> the 3' depth - keeps a geothermal warmed/insulated layer on bottom.

Mine are a bit more shallow than that, but haven't frozen solid. South
side, black liners, full sun. Near the house too, which was a bad idea,
but I didn't think about it until it was way too late. They're landscaped
with dozens of local rocks I got while they were building the road through
here, and I hauled at least a ton of good sized rocks one wheelbarrow at a
time. They're never moving.

I'm leaving the pumps running this year too. Trying that out to see how it
goes. So far, so good. Even the waterfall kept flowing on a 10 degree
day. I think 5 degrees is the record low, so I'm expecting to just leave
them going. Keeps them cleaner, and reduces the chances of them freezing
solid, though it might eventually destroy the pumps.

All the fish are freebies from the fair last year, so I don't really care
much what happens to them. I'm not a fish kind of guy.

> Silvan, what part of the country are you located in?

Mountains of Virginia. Zone 6b. It's... Um. I have no idea, probably
30-something out there.

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Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 9:07 PM

Greg G. wrote:

>>watch, don't go weed the flower bed, stay here, listen to the water,
>>listen, to, the, water... ahhhhh....
>
> If I were so lucky... One pond in dappled shade led to SWMBO wanting
> another, in the sun, so that night blooming water lilies could grow...
> Oh, well. What's another 3 ' deep, 400cu.ft. hole in the ground - dug
> by hand...

Mine aren't that big. I don't remember how many cubic feet, but about 180
gallons of capacity between the two of them.

Dug by hand, yes, but finished two years ago. The rest has been pleasant.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 3:53 PM

Mark Hopkins said:

>Yes. The village of Stone Mountain, right at the bottom of that big
>rock...Nice town with a lot of interesting shops.

O.K. I remember now... The last time I spent any time over there was
years ago, visiting Lucien Harris, the 'famous' Georgia Lepidopterist.

It has gotten too crowded over ther for my taste these days. Like it
is getting over here! I grew up here, when Atlanta had a population
of.. oh... 250,000. the old Grist Mill, Confederate Generals carved
on a rock, laser light shows in the summer... yea, I remember...

Just got back from Highland Hardware - I hate going there. I always
leave feeling so... empty... <g>


Greg G.

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Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 10:37 PM

Greg G. wrote:

> suckers. (I live in the South). We had a rainy spring and summer
> this year, and they just kept breeding. Being in the dappled shade,
> they're even bold enough to come out and bite you at noon on a full
> sunny day.

Tiger mosquitoes. A recent addition to our local crop of faunae. Nasty
bastards. They don't bother the ponds much though, and the fish eat the
larvae before they can hatch.

We have more of a problem from the many tens of thousands of gallons of
standing water associated with the various drainage works they built for
the new road. Must be at least 20 huge, brackish part-time ponds within a
couple miles of my house.

> roof started leaking and the water main broke - 10 year old house.
> I could make a career out of fixing this place - the contractor should
> have been shot. Yea, it's been a busy year...

Mine too. The Money Pit we call it.

You have me trumped on the ponds, bigtime. No way I'm that ambitous. SWMBO
can get her ass out and dig if she wants a pond that big. :)

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

GG

Greg G.

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

24/12/2003 12:24 PM

Mark Hopkins said:

>Nice isn't it? I'm over at the big rock, in the village.

I assume you mean Stone Mountain?
And as for the villiage, I'm not sure where that is.
Anywhere near Avondale Estates?


Greg G.

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Slowhand" on 22/12/2003 7:44 AM

23/12/2003 2:25 AM

Mark Hopkins wrote:

> Working with wood and digging in the ground. Man! Does it get any better
> than that? I think not.

Yes. When you add a pond to the mix. We love our ponds so much we grew
lazy about the rest of the gardens. It's like a magnet. Sit, listen,
watch, don't go weed the flower bed, stay here, listen to the water,
listen, to, the, water... ahhhhh....

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/


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