I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
considerably.
Any idears?
Thanks,
Will
On Sun, 16 May 2004 12:45:14 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>None of them change the color. They merely impart some of their own
>characteristics to the light returned to your eye.
And what is "changing the colour" then?
>Your lacquer is one of the clearest finishes available, but since it
>provides a smoother reflective surface, it appears to have darkened the
>wood. Note how much lighter a piece of wood sanded to 150 looks versus one
>sanded to 320 to prove this is true. It's the eye of the beholder.
Wood flour reflects more light -- changes the colour.
>The shellac boys may chime in, but with alcohol in so many colognes and
>such, I'd go with lacquer.
>
>"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
>> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
>of
>> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
>> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
>> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
>> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
>> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
>darkening
>> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
>> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
>> considerably.
>>
>> Any idears?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> None of them change the color. They merely impart some of their own
> characteristics to the light returned to your eye.
>
> Your lacquer is one of the clearest finishes available, but since it
> provides a smoother reflective surface, it appears to have darkened the
> wood. Note how much lighter a piece of wood sanded to 150 looks versus
one
> sanded to 320 to prove this is true. It's the eye of the beholder.
>
> The shellac boys may chime in, but with alcohol in so many colognes and
> such, I'd go with lacquer.
>
<snip>
Further to George's comments, specify 'water white'.
Bernard R
I have never seen anything that won't change the color (okay, refracted
light smart ass). For minimal color change on exotics I would try Trewax or
Johnsons Paste wax, on scrap, and see how you like it.
--
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com/woodshop
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 May 2004 09:33:09 -0700, "wch" <[email protected]>
> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> >back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
> >some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> >can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> >streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> >picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> >finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
> >it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> >finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> >considerably.
> >
> >Any idears?
>
> Super-blonde shellac, deglossed with 0000 steel wool, then waxed
> to a satin finish with Johnson's paste wax. Shellac is the least-
> darkening finish I've ever seen and used.
Super-blonde, French polished. Apparently, if it's applied to
just the right thickness, it'll actually *lighten* the wood
color due to refraction.
None of them change the color. They merely impart some of their own
characteristics to the light returned to your eye.
Your lacquer is one of the clearest finishes available, but since it
provides a smoother reflective surface, it appears to have darkened the
wood. Note how much lighter a piece of wood sanded to 150 looks versus one
sanded to 320 to prove this is true. It's the eye of the beholder.
The shellac boys may chime in, but with alcohol in so many colognes and
such, I'd go with lacquer.
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
Of course, your distaste for precise knowledge might get in the way, but wax
and oil are points on the same line. Note, they share the same solvent
(s). Both will reduce surface scatter, though some huge molecule types,
like paraffin, might scatter enough inside themselves to look a bit lighter
if you lard 'em on the surface. Sort of like matte varnishes.
"Pounds on Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have never seen anything that won't change the color (okay, refracted
> light smart ass). For minimal color change on exotics I would try Trewax
or
> Johnsons Paste wax, on scrap, and see how you like it.
Try out some of the different finishes on some of your cutoff scraps. You
should be able to find one that is to your likeing.
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
Dye?
What's the problem with correct information?
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 16 May 2004 12:45:14 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>
> >None of them change the color. They merely impart some of their own
> >characteristics to the light returned to your eye.
>
> And what is "changing the colour" then?
Once again, there's likely to be an alcohol problem.
Look at how many sprays, creams and lotions have it as an ingredient.
"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Jaques wrote:
> > Super-blonde shellac, deglossed with 0000 steel wool, then waxed
> > to a satin finish with Johnson's paste wax. Shellac is the least-
> > darkening finish I've ever seen and used.
>
> Super-blonde, French polished. Apparently, if it's applied to
> just the right thickness, it'll actually *lighten* the wood
> color due to refraction.
Sandy wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 06:52:26 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>
>
>>Once again, there's likely to be an alcohol problem.
>
>
> Who shezh?
LOL!
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
[email protected]
Will,
I have just finished a craddle with Sam Maloof's Poly/Oil and
Oil/Wax it is just what you are looking for. It is a lot of worrk but
well worth it.
Rob
http://www.torkomian.com
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
I'm pretty sure he was just interested in what a finish would _look_ like.
To the eye. Get it?
--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Of course, your distaste for precise knowledge might get in the way, but
wax
> and oil are points on the same line. Note, they share the same solvent
> (s). Both will reduce surface scatter, though some huge molecule types,
> like paraffin, might scatter enough inside themselves to look a bit
lighter
> if you lard 'em on the surface. Sort of like matte varnishes.
>
> "Pounds on Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have never seen anything that won't change the color (okay, refracted
> > light smart ass). For minimal color change on exotics I would try
Trewax
> or
> > Johnsons Paste wax, on scrap, and see how you like it.
>
>
On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:07:43 -0700, Father Haskell
<[email protected]> posted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 09:33:09 -0700, "wch" <[email protected]>
>> brought forth from the murky depths:
>>
>> >I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
>> >back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
>> >some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
>> >can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
>> >streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
>> >picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
>> >finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
>> >it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
>> >finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
>> >considerably.
>> >
>> >Any idears?
>>
>> Super-blonde shellac, deglossed with 0000 steel wool, then waxed
>> to a satin finish with Johnson's paste wax. Shellac is the least-
>> darkening finish I've ever seen and used.
>
>Super-blonde, French polished. Apparently, if it's applied to
>just the right thickness, it'll actually *lighten* the wood
>color due to refraction.
And when viewed obliquely against a clear sky, it will turn the wood
sky blue, with, if you are lucky, a gibbous moon and a wisp or two of
cloud :)
The closest you will come is water based finishes and even those will darken
the wood to some extent.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
Thanks for all the input. I do have some scraps to test on, I just didn't
want to go out and spend a fortune on different finishes to try.
Thanks again.
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Super-blonde, French polished. Apparently, if it's applied to
> just the right thickness, it'll actually *lighten* the wood
> color due to refraction.
Not only that, but won't the finish protect the wood somewhat from darkening
with age from oxidation? Any wood I have will get darker just sitting
around.
Ed
Bring a scrap or two to a good hardware/paint store and tell them what
you're looking for. They should be able to apply samples of what they have
for you. If you're not happy with anything repeat at another store.
HTH,
Jeffo
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for all the input. I do have some scraps to test on, I just didn't
> want to go out and spend a fortune on different finishes to try.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have
gotten
> > back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest
out
> of
> > some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> > can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> > streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> > picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the
new
> > finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
> darkening
> > it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> > finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the
wood
> > considerably.
> >
> > Any idears?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
>
>
"Fred the Red Shirt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Perhaps you don't have any unfinished walnut sitting around. It
> gets lighter. A fellow showed me a walnut table he had left
> unfinished for exaclty that reason and it was a beautiful amber
> color.
>
> My experience with the MinWax Polycrylic is that it is very clear.
I don't have any walnut. Change "all" to "many". Everything I have gets
darker.
Ed
Do you still have any of the scraps of wood? Maybe you could find someone
that had some of the different finishes and you could try a little on some
of the scrap.
Wayne
"wch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
> back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out
of
> some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
> can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
> streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
> picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
> finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or
darkening
> it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
> finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
> considerably.
>
> Any idears?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
>
On Sun, 16 May 2004 09:33:09 -0700, "wch" <[email protected]>
posted:
>I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
>back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
>some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
>can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
>streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
>picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
>finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
>it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
>finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
>considerably.
>
>Any idears?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Will
>
None that I know of.
My fave finish is paraffin wax, but that pops the grain and darkens.
I'm just about to put the third thick coat on my jarrah kitchen floor.
I just slap it on as a paste with mineral turpentine, and then let the
two brush polisher "work" it in. Comes up as a rich glow.
Cheap as chips and a cinch to repair with our sandy soils which play
havoc with plastic finishes. Jarrah is harder than any known finish,
so it needs no protection, just waterproofing and improving the
appearance. My hallway has no finish yet, but has been worn to a
burnished glow from dogs and foot traffic. The dogs used to slide down
it with their claws out trying to stop :)
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Super-blonde, French polished. Apparently, if it's applied to
> > just the right thickness, it'll actually *lighten* the wood
> > color due to refraction.
>
> Not only that, but won't the finish protect the wood somewhat from darkening
> with age from oxidation? Any wood I have will get darker just sitting
> around.
Perhaps you don't have any unfinished walnut sitting around. It
gets lighter. A fellow showed me a walnut table he had left
unfinished for exaclty that reason and it was a beautiful amber
color.
My experience with the MinWax Polycrylic is that it is very clear.
--
FF
Waterbase finish might work, though it still darkens some woods.
Deft will yellow the wood.
One cheap thing to try is Krylon Matte Acrylic spray, which you can get
for about $3 a can. John Jordan, a very prominent woodturner, uses it,
and it seems to have a really minimal color effect. It can apparently be
buffed to a slightly higher gloss if you like. If I wanted some
protection to the wood, but no color enhancement, I'd try that.
-- Andy Barss
On Sun, 16 May 2004 09:33:09 -0700, "wch" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>I've been out of the woodworkin circle for a couple years and have gotten
>back into it. For Mudder's Day, I made my SWMBO a nice jewelry chest out of
>some exotic wood I'd had for about 15 years... either Tarara or Mirabau,
>can't remember... anyhoo, it's a nice light reddish color with darker
>streaks and wifey likes it the way it is, unfinished. I worry about it
>picking up fingerprints, stains, etc. and I'm wondering if any of the new
>finishes out there protect the wood without changing the color or darkening
>it. I've not tried any of the water based urethanes, etc. My favorite
>finish is Deft semi-gloss in the spray can but even that darkens the wood
>considerably.
>
>Any idears?
Super-blonde shellac, deglossed with 0000 steel wool, then waxed
to a satin finish with Johnson's paste wax. Shellac is the least-
darkening finish I've ever seen and used.
---
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 06:49:29 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>Dye?
Ray, Me, Far, So, ....
>What's the problem with correct information?
Nothing at all, but "imparting some of their own
characteristics to the light returned to your eye" is what "changing
the colour" can be. Dying something is just that.
>"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 12:45:14 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>>
>> >None of them change the color. They merely impart some of their own
>> >characteristics to the light returned to your eye.
>>
>> And what is "changing the colour" then?
>
On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:45:43 -0400, "George" <george@least> posted:
>Of course, your distaste for precise knowledge might get in the way, but wax
>and oil are points on the same line.
But different in that the first is any solid with a "waxy"
consistency, and the latter is any viscous liquid.
>Note, they share the same solvent
>(s).
Not true, actually. There are myriad waxes and oils with myriad
solvents.
>Both will reduce surface scatter,
Called "clearing" in scientific circles.
>though some huge molecule types,
>like paraffin, might scatter enough inside themselves to look a bit lighter
>if you lard 'em on the surface. Sort of like matte varnishes.
Which paraffin? Their molecules are not that big. Much bigger wax
molecules than paraffins.
>"Pounds on Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I have never seen anything that won't change the color (okay, refracted
>> light smart ass). For minimal color change on exotics I would try Trewax
>or
>> Johnsons Paste wax, on scrap, and see how you like it.
>